Me?

[cascadeco]

Just curious what others might think, because frankly I don't know that I can relate a whole lot to typical INFJ profiles (I just can't relate a whole to any of the type profiles - pieces of one or another) and rather doubt Fe as my main external presentation. I could add a lot of comments of my own, and why I'm creating this thread, but I'll see if anyone responds or has comments first.

A sampling of the cognitive processes thing - taken over various days/months. There's a general pattern here, but it shifts a bit depending on my mood. But overall it's pretty constant (also, I'm not certain, personally, how much this test should really be utilized anyway to determine these things. But I thought I'd throw it out here anyway, since it's the main reason I've started questioning my type).

extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************************** (34.5)
good use
introverted Sensing (Si) ************************ (24.4)
average use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) *********************************** (35.7)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************************** (35.7)
good use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************** (20.5)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************* (33.5)
good use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********************* (21.6)
limited use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ********************************** (34.7)
good use


---------------------

Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************** (26)
average use
introverted Sensing (Si) ***************** (17.9)
limited use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) *********************************** (35.4)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *************************************** (39.4)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************** (20.1)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************** (29)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *************************** (27.2)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ********************************************* (45.4)
excellent use

---------------------------------------------

extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************************** (34.5)
good use
introverted Sensing (Si) ******************** (20.1)
limited use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************* (37.6)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *************************************** (39.6)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ************** (14.2)
unused
introverted Thinking (Ti) ****************************** (30.4)
good use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************************ (24.5)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) *************************************** (39.7)
excellent use


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Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ****************************** (30.5)
good use
introverted Sensing (Si) ********************** (22.4)
limited use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************** (34.7)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *************************************** (39.7)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************* (19.5)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) *************************** (27.5)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *************************** (27.6)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************** (38.7)
excellent use

--------------------------

Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) *********************** (23.8)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) ********************* (21.9)
limited use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ****************************************** (42.3)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *************************************** (39.3)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ***************** (17.9)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ****************************** (30)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********************************* (33.3)
good use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************************** (32.1)
good use

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And last time I took the Big 45 test

Big 45 Test Results

Gregariousness |||||| 18%
Sociability ||||||||||||||| 50%
Assertiveness |||||||||||| 38%
Poise ||||||||||||||| 46%
Leadership |||||||||||| 34%
Provocativeness ||||||||||||||| 42%
Self-Disclosure |||||||||||| 38%
Talkativeness ||||||||| 22%
Group Attachment ||||||||||||||| 42%
Extroversion |||||||||||| 36%
Understanding ||||||||||||||||||||| 66%
Warmth |||||||||||||||||| 54%
Morality ||||||||||||||||||||| 70%
Pleasantness |||||||||||||||||| 58%
Empathy |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 86%
Cooperation |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 82%
Sympathy |||||||||||||||||| 58%
Tenderness |||||||||||||||||| 54%
Nurturance |||||||||||| 38%
Accommodation ||||||||||||||||||||| 62%
Conscientiousness ||||||||||||||||||||| 70%
Efficiency ||||||||||||||| 42%
Dutifulness |||||||||||||||||| 58%
Purposefulness ||||||||||||||| 50%
Organization |||||||||||||||||| 58%
Cautiousness ||||||||||||||| 46%
Rationality ||||||||||||||| 46%
Perfectionism |||||||||||| 38%
Planning ||||||||||||||| 42%
Orderliness ||||||||||||||| 50%
Stability ||||||||||||||| 46%
Happiness |||||||||||||||||| 54%
Calmness ||||||||||||||| 46%
Moderation |||||||||||||||||| 54%
Toughness ||||||||||||||||||||| 62%
Impulse Control ||||||||||||||||||||| 66%
Imperturbability |||||||||||| 34%
Cool-headedness ||||||||||||||||||||| 66%
Tranquility |||||| 18%
Emotional Stability ||||||||||||||| 49%
Intellect ||||||||||||||||||||| 62%
Ingenuity |||||||||||||||||| 58%
Reflection |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 82%
Competence |||||||||||||||||||||||| 74%
Quickness |||||||||||||||||||||||| 74%
Introspection ||||||||||||||||||||| 66%
Creativity |||||||||||||||||| 58%
Imagination |||||||||||||||||||||||| 78%
Depth |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 86%
Openmindedness ||||||||||||||||||||| 70%

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Brain dominance stuff

You are an Analytical Visionary
You know how to mix the "how" and the "why."

- I don't know how to get the picture/graph copied in here, but supposedly I used BOTH Right brain abstract and Left brain abstract as primaries, use Left Brain Concrete as secondary, and Right brain concrete was something I avoided.

[Tallulah]

I'm not an expert on the functions, but my impression is maybe INFJ is your closest fit--you don't seem INFP to me, but you're definitely an introverted feeler, and definitely an intuitive. My experience is that INFJs are a fairly complex bunch, and one won't always look so much like another. It looks like you use both Ni and Ne pretty strongly, so maybe that's what has you questioning?

[Mondo]

I'm not surprised to see that your Ni is stronger than your Ne AND your Fi is stronger than your Fe, that indicates strong Introversion.

Question.. how would you consider yourself a conscientious person?

[cascadeco]

Originally Posted by Tallulah

I'm not an expert on the functions, but my impression is maybe INFJ is your closest fit--you don't seem INFP to me, but you're definitely an introverted feeler, and definitely an intuitive. My experience is that INFJs are a fairly complex bunch, and one won't always look so much like another. It looks like you use both Ni and Ne pretty strongly, so maybe that's what has you questioning?

Oh, I guess there are a lot of things that have gotten me to question it, but yeah, Ne is one - esp. combined with Ti. Actually NTP's make a lot more sense to me than many others on this board, even those that are of my own 'type'. I find myself agreeing with and following their thought processes/words pretty easily.

I also find what seems to be quite a lack of Fe, based on the cog. function test, pretty interesting. And that makes me wonder. But perhaps it can tie back to my being extremely introverted, and the fact that often-times I don't want to deal with people at ALL. One of the things I most dislike at a job is having to train/monitor people (even if it is 1:1), and anything to do with the phone. And that makes me think I can't possibly have Fe-leanings. And then that dichotomy between what I externally do, vs. internally my sometimes not feeling like doing it, makes me feel, well, fake. So....I don't know.

The irony is that time and time again, in work reviews, my greatest strength is cited as verbal and written communication skills, adjusting content and style to the specific audience, and people skills. One coworker wrote: "Her relationship building abilities is the foundation she uses to make her successful in everything she does at work." I find that truly ironic because I DO dislike the training/mentoring thing. I'd rather be on my own, or working on a team but not 'expected' to be in an leadership role -- just piping in with my comments.

So, interaction styles. I really don't see myself as being a 'Chart-the-course' person. But I guess those who know me in person, and know my communication style 1:1, would be more objective in determining that??

Originally Posted by Mondo

I'm not surprised to see that your Ni is stronger than your Ne AND your Fi is stronger than your Fe, that indicates strong Introversion.

Question.. how would you consider yourself a conscientious person?

It's these sorts of cognitive things -- both Ni and Fi being high -- that makes mbti fall apart to me. I mean, I recognize it's a framework, and everyone supposedly falls into one of 16 general categories or 'approaches', but when someone is battling it out between two introverted functions, and they may hold equal weight, then the utility of attaching yourself to one of 16 just doesn't seem to hold. Ah well.

Anyway - conscientiousness. I guess I feel that I am pretty 'on top of' everything in my life (even my procrastinations - I'm still aware they're there and need to be addressed at some point), in terms of practical matters as well as extending into how my actions (or inactions) impact people/things/events. I equate conscientiousness with awareness and being observant. I'm not usually surprised. Even 'surprises' are things that I had filtered away as possibilities. I guess I'm not caught off guard that often?

[Randomnity]

I've never doubted your type before, and I don't know you very well, but on a purely function basis, with such high Se and Fi (and especially with such low Fe and Te), you could be ISFP. I think ISFPs are supposed to have Fi-Se-Ni-Te, so it could be a strong "tertiary" coming out. And ISFPs are behind-the-scenes interaction style, if I remember, which is fairly different from chart-the-course. Of course, you could also just be an atypical INFJ.

I think my own function order is Ti-Ni, so I can understand where you're coming from here. I also have problems accepting the MBTI function order as a black and white system.

[entropie]

I have not read most of the thread, cause it is very hot in here and that PC monitor makes my head ache.

I read your test results from cognitive processes and first of all, compliment to your idea to take it different times. That obvious idea has not come to me thus far xD.

You see iNFj are the most unlinkely people who need some test to tell them who people are and what they can do and can not do. That fixation of things in itself would destroy the very nature of an iNFj, cause from now on we can relate to stupid tests and know everything what people are. It is one of the main strength of an iNFj to know what people really are, as it is sometimes with eNTp (not that insightful though). What is not one of the main strengths of iNFj is they themselves. The day on which they are able to tell, I know who I am, is probablly going to be their dieing day, cause from now on their is nothing more to search for. That does not mean other people do know by nature who they are, it means some people dont care at all who they are, some care until a certain point. But iNFJ, like a professor in quantumdynamics, sees constant change in behaviours in himself and evaluates and reevaluates even longtime proven grounds. There are few things in the human soul, iNFj settle with and that are mostly basically needed things to survive.

So what does he know ? My very special one is iNFJ and it is said that eNTp and INFJ make good couples. Guess that is yet to be found out, cause I havent "coupled" with her so far *hihi* xD. (This bad joke is better understood, if I say with coupling I meant to shift gears manually in cars and well she is not a car and... u know xD).

After some nagging from my side, my special one took the cognitive processes test aswell and she scored like you with a preference on Introverted Feeling. I dont know if that means something, but it fits a theisis of mine: My SO is definitly an Extraverted Feeler like me. She says "I am pleased to meet you" and "thank you" and "I like you" everytime she feels like it. But she has their own unique way of understanding of people, to judge if it is earned or not. Introverted Feeling means that for example step up in a situation for someone, who has been treaten unfairly. And you knock the "treater" out, although you are not really in control of what you are feeling. So my thesis is, the preference for Introverted Feeling is a natural security wall for the rest of the world, cause one wants his own feelings to not be compromised.

And that I understand, too.

Concerning MBTI you are : Introverted Intuition and Extraverted Feeler
I am: Extraverted Intuition and Introverted Thinking

Scored this on cognitiveprocesses:

Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************************* (33.6)
good use
introverted Sensing (Si) *************** (15)
unused
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************* (33.8)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ******************************** (32.1)
good use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ***************************** (29.1)
average use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************************** (38.3)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) **************************** (28)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ****************************** (30.1)
good use

[cascadeco]

Originally Posted by Randomnity

I've never doubted your type before, and I don't know you very well, but on a purely function basis, with such high Se and Fi (and especially with such low Fe and Te), you could be ISFP. I think ISFPs are supposed to have Fi-Se-Ni-Te, so it could be a strong "tertiary" coming out. And ISFPs are behind-the-scenes interaction style, if I remember, which is fairly different from chart-the-course. Of course, you could also just be an atypical INFJ.

I have entertained the notion of ISFP, and I think it could have fit me as a young child. In some ways I think I was IxFP moreso than INxJ as a child. But I think in my teen years and now, I'd be an equally atypical ISFP. haha. :-) [But I also wonder how much ones' IQ can impact/blur 'typical-ness' of a type. I know that's a bad topic to bring up on these boards, but I do wonder.]

I think my own function order is Ti-Ni, so I can understand where you're coming from here. I also having problems accepting the MBTI function order as a black and white system.

I'm glad someone can understand where I'm coming from! Phew!

[cascadeco]

Originally Posted by entropie

I read your test results from cognitive processes and first of all, compliment to your idea to take it different times. That obvious idea has not come to me thus far xD.

haha, thanks.

You see iNFj are the most unlinkely people who need some test to tell them who people are and what they can do and can not do. That fixation of things in itself would destroy the very nature of an iNFj, cause from now on we can relate to stupid tests and know everything what people are. It is one of the main strength of an iNFj to know what people really are, as it is sometimes with eNTp (not that insightful though). What is not one of the main strengths of iNFj is they themselves. The day on which they are able to tell, I know who I am, is probablly going to be their dieing day, cause from now on their is nothing more to search for. That does not mean other people do know by nature who they are, it means some people dont care at all who they are, some care until a certain point. But iNFJ, like a professor in quantumdynamics, sees constant change in behaviours in himself and evaluates and reevaluates even longtime proven grounds. There are few things in the human soul, iNFj settle with and that are mostly basically needed things to survive.

I think you raise a good point here. I do notice change in behavior and am pretty aware of my internal state and motivations and feelings - perhaps too much in tune. And, it may be true that I notice what I consider to be 'vast' changes in myself, or inconsistencies, and have trouble reconciling all of it, whereas outsiders might easily grasp my true nature without any trouble at all.

And I think you're onto something about the need to search and grow. When I start feeling sedentary and 'stagnant', I need to do something about it. (Knowing WHAT to do is another story and might take a while ;-)

[spirilis]

To add mystery to the madness, I believe there is a distinct difference between our "typological preferential" use of the functions and our "skill level" of the functions. I believe our skill level is measured by the Cognitive Processes test, our "type preference" is imperfectly measured by MBTI tests and the like. I'd expect to see one's skill level in a particular function high if it's their dominant or auxiliary though. But life experience may have us gain skill in other functions moreso.

Then again I'm one of those crazies who believes deep down that everyone has a "root" type, it just might not be evident to them, especially later on when they've become a more complex person.

[Randomnity]

Originally Posted by cascademn

I have entertained the notion of ISFP, and I think it could have fit me as a young child. In some ways I think I was IxFP moreso than INxJ as a child. But I think in my teen years and now, I'd be an equally atypical ISFP. haha. :-) [But I also wonder how much ones' IQ can impact/blur 'typical-ness' of a type. I know that's a bad topic to bring up on these boards, but I do wonder.]
I'm glad someone can understand where I'm coming from! Phew!

Fair enough - and you do seem more like an INFJ, honestly, though it'd be easier to tell in RL. Just thought I'd point out another random possibility, since you were wondering.

Originally Posted by spirilis

To add mystery to the madness, I believe there is a distinct difference between our "typological preferential" use of the functions and our "skill level" of the functions. I believe our skill level is measured by the Cognitive Processes test, our "type preference" is imperfectly measured by MBTI tests and the like. I'd expect to see one's skill level in a particular function high if it's their dominant or auxiliary though. But life experience may have us gain skill in other functions moreso.

I agree with this. That test always gave me weird results (something like Ti-Ni-Ne-something something - Fe- Fi).