The Matriarchy wants me typed

[Dr Mobius]

Its true; they don't know where to put me in the kitchen.

I answered one of those questionnaires the PerC one to be specific. I put it under the spoiler, because people will see the wall of text, and say oh hell no!

What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?

I have never been particularly confident in any of my typings. Perhaps in part to the subjective nature of it all. Attempts at an objective perspective often end in a rationalisation, a need to fit a type to a set of often very limited data collectives. For example all XDAS do these set things, therefore you are XDAS. Which in itself would not be objectionable..... but for the fact everyone uses different data points, or interprets them differently.

What do you yearn for in life? Why?*

I'm not in the best place in the world at the moment, so my answers to this question maybe suspect. Apart of me would settle for a life fulfilled, having seen the world and pushed myself as far as I could go and be. The other part of me; my grandiose delusional egotistical side wants nothing less then to shake the world, my Icarus ending. But at my basic level I'd settle for the feeling of standing on the knife edge potential and chaos surrounding me.

Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.*

Not particularly different then most I would guess..... the time in life when I wasn't falling apart. When the future lay before me, and yet within my grasp. Before what ever the hell happened, happened.

What makes you feel inferior?

The usual things; specifically being incompetent at anything I do is grating, which is hilarious given my frequent incompetency. Also not living up to my standards, possibly other peoples standards as well.

What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)*

Pro-cons first, the balance of probability as I think of it, then about the people it effects, lastly how I feel about it. Unless I feel particularly self indulgent.

When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?

Thats a matter of input, the more I put in (content or impact) the more control I want over the outcome.

Describe a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?

I was slightly drunk at a concert, it was a blast.

When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you?

As in what form do I best take information in? I’m a reading writing preference learner. Though occasionally kinaesthetic has worked well.

How organized do you think of yourself as?*

I'm usually disorganised, but I can be quite organised, if the cost/benefit works in my favour, systematic might be a better term for it. The less I care the more disorganised something will be. Unfortunately it appears I care for very little.

How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?*

I do both, I usually start by understanding the principles, then look at information that corroborates/contrasts the theorem. Only once perspective has reached critical mass (in proportion to its worth) will judgement be made. Well as long as time restraints allow.

You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?

Does anyone find harmony in everyone else being fine? That seems like a fragile balancing act to base a part of your psyche on. So probably the second scenario, well sort of as I am kind of nuts so, have to hide that. So being myself within reason.

Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?

I used to think while I was speaking, but isolation appears to have atrophied that ability. Thinking before speaking is usually how things play out now.

Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?*

Dependent on the potential impact of the action. The larger the impact the more I will think before acting. Actions speak much louder then words, they remain the only objective data we have of a persons psyche. Thoughts mould us, actions define us.

It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?

It depends on the friends potential plans and how I feel at the time. So both yes and no.

How do you act when you're stressed out?*

I'm not always entirely conscious of it, I tend to get a few of the physical signs of stress. Usually I'm obsessive and volatile.

What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?*

They treat other people like crap, spread idiocy and misinformation. All because they havent learned to pull their heads out of their arses and look themselves in the mirror. Also complete lack of critical reasoning skills, combined with zero pragmatism is the most terrifying thing I have ever seen.

Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?

I honestly don't know its been a while since I had a decent conversation. Tedious small conversation aren't any fun, but everyone thinks that.

What kind of things do you pay the least attention to in your life?

My apathy is making it hard for me to pay attention to much at the moment. But in my better moments it would have been the social realm, and the romantic realm to a degree.

How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality?*

I don't have a clue, probably the only thing I can be sure they wouldn't say of me is that I'm an idiot.

You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing?

Presumably I have the magic to transport myself to a large European city? In which case I would spend the day exploring everything.

Feel free to ask me questions and such.

 

[Kensei]

IxTP, more likely ISTP is what I see in you. Tell me, do you prefer practical data, or creative ideas?

Its true; they don't know where to put me in the kitchen.

I answered one of those questionnaires the PerC one to be specific. I put it under the spoiler, because people will see the wall of text, and say oh hell no!

What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?

I have never been particularly confident in any of my typings. Perhaps in part to the subjective nature of it all. Attempts at an objective perspective often end in a rationalisation, a need to fit a type to a set of often very limited data collectives. For example all XDAS do these set things, therefore you are XDAS. Which in itself would not be objectionable..... but for the fact everyone uses different data points, or interprets them differently.

What do you yearn for in life? Why?*

I'm not in the best place in the world at the moment, so my answers to this question maybe suspect. Apart of me would settle for a life fulfilled, having seen the world and pushed myself as far as I could go and be. The other part of me; my grandiose delusional egotistical side wants nothing less then to shake the world, my Icarus ending. But at my basic level I'd settle for the feeling of standing on the knife edge potential and chaos surrounding me.

Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.*

Not particularly different then most I would guess..... the time in life when I wasn't falling apart. When the future lay before me, and yet within my grasp. Before what ever the hell happened, happened.

What makes you feel inferior?

The usual things; specifically being incompetent at anything I do is grating, which is hilarious given my frequent incompetency. Also not living up to my standards, possibly other peoples standards as well.

What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)*

Pro-cons first, the balance of probability as I think of it, then about the people it effects, lastly how I feel about it. Unless I feel particularly self indulgent.

When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?

Thats a matter of input, the more I put in (content or impact) the more control I want over the outcome.

Describe a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?

I was slightly drunk at a concert, it was a blast.

When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you?

As in what form do I best take information in? I’m a reading writing preference learner. Though occasionally kinaesthetic has worked well.

How organized do you think of yourself as?*

I'm usually disorganised, but I can be quite organised, if the cost/benefit works in my favour, systematic might be a better term for it. The less I care the more disorganised something will be. Unfortunately it appears I care for very little.

How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?*

I do both, I usually start by understanding the principles, then look at information that corroborates/contrasts the theorem. Only once perspective has reached critical mass (in proportion to its worth) will judgement be made. Well as long as time restraints allow.

You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?

Does anyone find harmony in everyone else being fine? That seems like a fragile balancing act to base a part of your psyche on. So probably the second scenario, well sort of as I am kind of nuts so, have to hide that. So being myself within reason.

Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?

I used to think while I was speaking, but isolation appears to have atrophied that ability. Thinking before speaking is usually how things play out now.

Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?*

Dependent on the potential impact of the action. The larger the impact the more I will think before acting. Actions speak much louder then words, they remain the only objective data we have of a persons psyche. Thoughts mould us, actions define us.

It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?

It depends on the friends potential plans and how I feel at the time. So both yes and no.

How do you act when you're stressed out?*

I'm not always entirely conscious of it, I tend to get a few of the physical signs of stress. Usually I'm obsessive and volatile.

What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?*

They treat other people like crap, spread idiocy and misinformation. All because they havent learned to pull their heads out of their arses and look themselves in the mirror. Also complete lack of critical reasoning skills, combined with zero pragmatism is the most terrifying thing I have ever seen.

Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?

I honestly don't know its been a while since I had a decent conversation. Tedious small conversation aren't any fun, but everyone thinks that.

What kind of things do you pay the least attention to in your life?

My apathy is making it hard for me to pay attention to much at the moment. But in my better moments it would have been the social realm, and the romantic realm to a degree.

How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality?*

I don't have a clue, probably the only thing I can be sure they wouldn't say of me is that I'm an idiot.

You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing?

Presumably I have the magic to transport myself to a large European city? In which case I would spend the day exploring everything.

Feel free to ask me questions and such.

 

[Dr Mobius]

IxTP, more likely ISTP is what I see in you. Tell me, do you prefer practical data, or creative ideas?

A bit of both to be honest. Creative ideas are great, but the implementation stage can often be the best part.

 

[Kensei]

Okay, mabye this'll help, are you more likely to solve problems using your own ideas? Or facts that have already been come up with? Inuitives are imaginative and think about the future often, but sensors have that realistic and down to earth touch.

A bit of both to be honest. Creative ideas are great, but the implementation stage can often be the best part.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Maybe you're going about this all wrong. Maybe tell us what your favorite jobs in the kitchen are, and/or the tasks you are best at- and we'll slowly derive a type from further discussion about that.


In seriousness though, if you're just asking for opinions, you come across as NTPish to me as well. I've noticed a consistent NTP flavored detachment in your posts. (I don't begin to know how to explain that- reduce it to "one vote for NTP vibe" if needs be.)

 

[OrangeAppled]

Focus on competence generally signals NT temperament, with a simultaneous feeling of incompetence most prevalent in INTPs. Inferior Fe is more obvious than inferior Si here, especially as far as what annoys you.
I vote for INTP. I dont see much to indicate SP temperament. ISTPs seem to prize instincts more.

 

[Dr Mobius]

Okay, mabye this'll help, are you more likely to solve problems using your own ideas? Or facts that have already been come up with? Inuitives are imaginative and think about the future often, but sensors have that realistic and down to earth touch.

If I'm invested then usually solving problems with my own solutions. But if I'm not invested generic solutions will do.

Maybe you're going about this all wrong. Maybe tell us what your favorite jobs in the kitchen are, and/or the tasks you are best at- and we'll slowly derive a type from further discussion about that.

It's really hard to say, honestly I think I'm only there because I look good in an apron. Its the only thing I ever get comments on, well that and to smile more. It is like they're not concerned with the quality of my work.

In seriousness though, if you're just asking for opinions, you come across as NTPish to me as well. I've noticed a consistent NTP flavored detachment in your posts. (I don't begin to know how to explain that- reduce it to "one vote for NTP vibe" if needs be.)

Z Buck I am not the Matriarchy I will never reduce you . Interesting I wonder if the format has anything to do with this. IRL I tend to be a bit more..... combustible. Please feel free to expand; if you wish.

Focus on competence generally signals NT temperament, with a simultaneous feeling of incompetence most prevalent in INTPs. Inferior Fe is more obvious than inferior Si here, especially as far as what annoys you.

Presumably the focus on incompetence is an INTP e5 tie in? Interesting about the inferior Fe; would you care to expand?

I vote for INTP. I dont see much to indicate SP temperament. ISTPs seem to prize instincts more.

INTP? I have some reservations about this. I'll explain when I'm not half asleep.



I really should have made a poll for this.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Interesting I wonder if the format has anything to do with this. IRL I tend to be a bit more..... combustible. Please feel free to expand; if you wish.

It's not that I've forgotten about this- or that I didn't feel like expanding it- I'm really not sure how to describe it. There is a certain flavor to TP detachment- and that isn't to say TPs have some kind of quantitative monopoly on "detachment", just a specific subset of it or something. It often comes across in either jokes or the kinds of things that get nitpicked (which, since many TPs nitpick by making jokes, is often the same thing).

To clumsily describe NP detachment in general- it's not that they aren't combustible, but the combustion isn't as attached to incoming information as it is attached to their own tangent about the incoming information. It's like the difference between someone having a big reaction about the part of the iceberg that isn't showing (which is often invisible to others, appears irrational and it's why Js seem to have sticks up their butts) vs. someone having a big reaction to the part of the iceberg that is showing (it's clear to others what has them worked up, though it's not always clear why it's important- it comes across as nitpicking).

I see enough focus on the space in-between people to think FP or TJ can somewhat be ruled out- not in the op here, but in your other posts and in your blog. (I suspect that's what OA was alluding to in regards to 'inferior Fe being more obvious than inferior Fi'- the inclination to notice and be deeply effected by the space in-between people is a Fe thing, inferior or not.)

I actually see some of what looks like Ni-ish stuff in your blog (a need to back up and try to describe the underbelly of the iceberg- instead of expanding horizontally and moving to other iceberg tips as Pe is apt <- the P 'detachment' I was trying to describe), so I wouldn't rule out INFJ. And actually, this is why I might find INTP an unlikely match- you aren't quite as detached as NTPs usually are. *But* you don't appear to get stuck in those rabbit trails like INFJs do- there's exactly enough detachment to make INFJ look somewhat unlikely too.

And often times when someone identifies as INFJ but they have enough observable detachment for that typing to seem unfit (they don't systematically get stuck in the rabbit trails of expanding incoming people-oriented information- which is one of the worst things about being INFJ, it's not a choice to get sucked into those vortexes**.....*yet* there isn't quite enough detachment for me to think they're Ne), I assume they're some kind of ISxP. (Not that you have ever identified as INFJ, I'm just trying to explain how "not as detached as NTP, but also not as attached as NFJ" usually leads me to suspect ISxP.) But I think you're exactly a little too focused on the theory side of things to be an SP.

I'm not even sure I know what I'm talking about at this point. Basically, I'd go with NTP or INFJ.

**Although really, I've noticed e9 INFJs can surprise me in this regard- they seem to be able to ignore the vortexes as soon as the vortexes get uncomfortable. So there's that. eta: Then again, you seem almost too introspective to me to be an e9. So, *shrug*.

 

[Dr Mobius]

It's not that I've forgotten about this- or that I didn't feel like expanding it- I'm really not sure how to describe it. There is a certain flavor to TP detachment- and that isn't to say TPs have some kind of quantitative monopoly on "detachment", just a specific subset of it or something. It often comes across in either jokes or the kinds of things that get nitpicked (which, since many TPs nitpick by making jokes, is often the same thing).

I quite understand the inability to translate thought to words. I suffer from it frequently.

To clumsily describe NP detachment in general- it's not that they aren't combustible, but the combustion isn't as attached to incoming information as it is attached to their own tangent about the incoming information. It's like the difference between someone having a big reaction about the part of the iceberg that isn't showing (which is often invisible to others, appears irrational and it's why Js seem to have sticks up their butts) vs. someone having a big reaction to the part of the iceberg that is showing (it's clear to others what has them worked up, though it's not always clear why it's important- it comes across as nitpicking).

This is actually the issue I have with being a INTP, and to a lesser degree ENTP. The sort of circular need to point out the iceberg, but the need no matter how far the conversation carries to bring it back to the iceberg. As though they can't quite believe that everyone has seen and acknowledged that there is in fact an iceberg. From the outside it can look as though they think that others in the conversation are well ignorant children; who are a little too dense to see their truth. I usually point out the iceberg, setting a baseline, then proceed onwards, assuming that others will follow.

I see enough focus on the space in-between people to think FP or TJ can somewhat be ruled out- not in the op here, but in your other posts and in your blog. (I suspect that's what OA was alluding to in regards to 'inferior Fe being more obvious than inferior Fi'- the inclination to notice and be deeply effected by the space in-between people is a Fe thing, inferior or not.)

Ah fair enough that I am on the Ti/Fe line seems a likely explanation. Yes definitely a focus on the space in-between people.

I actually see some of what looks like Ni-ish stuff in your blog (a need to back up and try to describe the underbelly of the iceberg- instead of expanding horizontally and moving to other iceberg tips as Pe is apt <- the P 'detachment' I was trying to describe), so I wouldn't rule out INFJ. And actually, this is why I might find INTP an unlikely match- you aren't quite as detached as NTPs usually are. *But* you don't appear to get stuck in those rabbit trails like INFJs do- there's exactly enough detachment to make INFJ look somewhat unlikely too.

I don't know quite how to explain my thought patterns so this will probably come out somewhat jumbled. I guess at any given point in time I have set idea collectives, obsessions might be more accurate. The new (useful) information ends up being added or occasionally twisted into the collectives. If I reach some sort of conclusion with any particular collective the obsession lifts and the information is put on the back-burner, or is reintegrated into another set. I have only a few such collectives; while I do absorb a lot of information that isn't pertinent my retention rates tend to be low. That's kind of how my mind operates.

And often times when someone identifies as INFJ but they have enough observable detachment for that typing to seem unfit (they don't systematically get stuck in the rabbit trails of expanding incoming people-oriented information- which is one of the worst things about being INFJ, it's not a choice to get sucked into those vortexes**.....*yet* there isn't quite enough detachment for me to think they're Ne), I assume they're some kind of ISxP. (Not that you have ever identified as INFJ, I'm just trying to explain how "not as detached as NTP, but also not as attached as NFJ" usually leads me to suspect ISxP.) But I think you're exactly a little too focused on the theory side of things to be an SP.

Interesting I shall consider the ISXPs; I don't think I get sucked into vortexes....... hmmm I shall have a think about this.

I'm not even sure I know what I'm talking about at this point. Basically, I'd go with NTP or INFJ.

This has all been really quite excellent ................... Obviously I can take away from this that I am in fact a unicorn.

**Although really, I've noticed e9 INFJs can surprise me in this regard- they seem to be able to ignore the vortexes as soon as the vortexes get uncomfortable. So there's that. eta: Then again, you seem almost too introspective to me to be an e9. So, *shrug*.

The introspection becomes a question of nature versus nurture. I have had points in my life where there was little to do but introspect. Would I have been the same without those periods? I don't think so, but who knows.

But I should fill out that through enneagram questionnaire as well.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Interesting I shall consider the ISXPs; I don't think I get sucked into vortexes....... hmmm I shall have a think about this.

Fwiw, the closest I've seen anyone else be able to describe what I'm talking about (the "vortex") was this post by lady x- in a thread explaining to someone why they didn't seem INFJ. There's a sort of gravitas that almost comes out of nowhere and it can be really hard to shake- especially with those we're most comfortable with, I think. I guess my point here is, if you can read lady x's comment and not see much of yourself in it- that makes INFJ seems a bit less likely.


eta: Again though, e9 INFJs can throw me off with this- because they come across as so laid back.

 

[Dr Mobius]

Fwiw, the closest I've seen anyone else be able to describe what I'm talking about (the "vortex") was this post by lady x- in a thread explaining to someone why they didn't seem INFJ. There's a sort of gravitas that almost comes out of nowhere and it can be really hard to shake- especially with those we're most comfortable with, I think. I guess my point here is, if you can read lady x's comment and not see much of yourself in it- that makes INFJ seems a bit less likely.


eta: Again though, e9 INFJs can throw me off with this- because they come across as so laid back.

Its familiar.... but how do I explain it. Its out of nowhere, but its not. It has to do with the amount of people and the time factor. The greater both are sooner, or more likely it is to happen, but at the same time its not anyone thing, so much as everything. Actually that whole one more thing look....... yeah I think I get that. This is kind of what I meant about being a bit combustible there is a point of resistance for me when it becomes a resounding no no no! Interesting stuff I shall have a bit of a think on it.

PS I shall endeavour to keep you confused as to my enneagram.

 

[avaxtskyr]

ENTP
INTP
ESFJ
ISFJ
ESTP
ISTP
ENFJ
INFJ

are my top two pics

Pick your preference for either N or S.
For example, I test N, but I know my preference is S.
You could also have no preference in this regard.

 

[Frosty]

Honestly your post reads almost with an undercurrent of melancholy to it, it makes it hard to type you.

You're depressed so that factors in to everything, and what you wrote seems extremely T, but it is hard to say because I sort of pick up on some intense underlying emotions. Ehhh IXXP, with ISXP seeming more likely. You kind of give off that starving artist persona though, so maybe ISFP.

 

[avaxtskyr]

No way to the ISFP. S/he is more INFP than ISFP, which she is neither in my eyes.


INTP or ISTP.
My guess, INTP.