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    I can see how an INFJ might get INTP especially after looking at your results seeing how close t and p were close to the middle like just over
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I can see how an INFJ might get INTP especially after looking at your results seeing how close t and p were close to the middle like just over
    Yeah, that too. It's not surprising that a result that straddles the line would lead to some ambiguity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    After seeing my results again, and living as an INTP for about a week now, there is a real chance I might really be an INFJ......But just a tough minded, critical one who likes to keep things open-ended (P-ish).

    The thing that belies that, however, is the phone consultation I had with the specialist. We discussed my preference for T/F and my preference for J/P and it was clear in talking with him that I was more T and more P; to him and to me. And I was going off of childhood memories as well as adult ways of being as much as I could in working out my J/P and T/F.

    I guess it's like I have 2 faces. The 2 faces of aphrodite lol. My infj face i reserve for my clients and new people, and my intp face which is more my normal way of being. Hence why I like to get snarky on here, but not as snarky as the TJs. I think the INTP side of me just went dormant while with my ISTP ex because his Ti overruled mine, and it was easier as a mother and midwife to be an infj.
    If your recent reps and posts in my blog are examples of you trying to be a snarky INTP, then I would say that either you are not INTP, or that you are not experienced at INTP snark. I saw Ni snark instead. The context of the snark seemed to be internal to you and not external and readily apparent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I have thought about it some more and to the extent it is helpful, I feel relatively certain that you prefer Ti over Te and Fe over Fi. Understanding if you prefer Ne or Ni would seem to be an essential thing in coming to an answer.
    I agree. I just came to that conclusion about 10 mins ago....


    Quote Originally Posted by jscrothers View Post
    @AphroditeGoneAwry: Did your consultant talk about type in terms of cognitive functions? Were functions part of the discussion at all?

    For good or for bad, forums probably rely on them in their definitions of the type much more than consultants do; and so I wouldn't be surprised at any mismatch between the consultant's perception and the forum's.
    No, we did not. We just covered the preferences. I was discussing this today as well. I know MBTI was based on CFT but really the two are different systems and cannot be sucessfully conflated into one system, as we always do on here. My preferences show INTP, and this has been corroborated by my older sister who said to me last night, when queried, that I was 'always analyzing everything'. And that she would say I was more spontaneous than planned.

    My cognitive functions will probably end up being: Ni/Ti/Ne/Fe. This is not really indicative of INTP that much, as we know. And it is obvious I could be any number of types based on my functions.

    Fact is, functions are more precise than preferences, and there really are not good descriptors of them. MBTI framework just does not define function preference very well, nor do your general prefences define your preferred functions very well, imo.

    The best I can describe right now is that I'm an INTP who prefers Ni/Ti/Fe, versus the 'typical' Ti/Ne. So where do I get my information for my Ni and Ti to gnaw on? Very carefully selected Te or Fe sources. I think that is what I do. I don't amass very much Te or Fe because I could not handle it well, but I go for that very specific Te (the Bible) or Fe (my special friends or a specific group of people) with which to mull over with Ni and Ti. I'm a real intense person. Maybe it's all that introversion going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eilonwy View Post
    If your recent reps and posts in my blog are examples of you trying to be a snarky INTP, then I would say that either you are not INTP, or that you are not experienced at INTP snark. I saw Ni snark instead. The context of the snark seemed to be internal to you and not external and readily apparent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    The best I can describe right now is that I'm an INTP who prefers Ni/Ti/Fe, versus the 'typical' Ti/Ne. So where do I get my information for my Ni and Ti to gnaw on? Very carefully selected Te or Fe sources. I think that is what I do. I don't amass very much Te or Fe because I could not handle it well, but I go for that very specific Te (the Bible) or Fe (my special friends or a specific group of people) with which to mull over with Ni and Ti. I'm a real intense person. Maybe it's all that introversion going on.
    You're an INFJ. If you're going to insist that you prefer Ni - Ti, the only other option for you supported by MBTI is ISTP.

    I'm even going to explain your results to you, but you're inside yourself and likely won't get this. You see yourself a certain way, and construct the outer evidence to support it. You are testing to what you wish to be. And that evidences INFJ-style thinking too, because you know what to say to get the result you want, even if you're not fully intentional about this process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    My cognitive functions will probably end up being: Ni/Ti/Ne/Fe. This is not really indicative of INTP that much, as we know. And it is obvious I could be any number of types based on my functions.

    Fact is, functions are more precise than preferences, and there really are not good descriptors of them. MBTI framework just does not define function preference very well, nor do your general prefences define your preferred functions very well, imo.
    Your reasoning indicates to me that you aren't INTP. INTPs don't reason like this, and they'd chew up and spit out anyone trying to argue with them like this. This is, however, very INFJ-ish reasoning. You have a vision of how everything fits together (Ni), and then you twist and flex MBTI and cognitive functions until they fit that vision. You aren't willing to take function theory, as is, and apply it to your type, because your intuition tells you that the result is incorrect.

    Your intuition, your vision, is wrong. It's fairly typical of Ni, and in particular INFJs, to be extremely perceptive of how everything and everyone else works, seeing it all as a system from outside the system. This strength becomes a weakness w/r to assessing one's own internal systems/processes/psychology. This is one of the reasons I've found typology particularly useful, because it provides a map that describes where other people are, psychologically, and where I am with respect to those others. That map lets me look at myself from the outside, instead of my usual perspective from within myself. I had to see how Ni worked from the point of view of others, in order to figure out what I was really doing in my head when other people saw Ni in action.

    I originally thought, like many INTJs who took Nardi's old functions test that I had Ni and Ne and Ti and Te ... and THEN the feeling and sensing functions came after. This is a misinterpretation of Nardi's test, and a flaw of how he used the test to try to discern functions. Functions are a bit too abstract for a self-assessment test to discern. Eventually, I figured out that I don't use Ti at all, and I don't use Ne at all, even though I'm "good at" intuition and thinking. How did I figure this out? By interacting with dozens of INTPs over the years, online and in real life, and see how even though they often were interested in the same things I was interested in, the way they think about those things was completely different. That led me to realize that what I thought of as "Ti" in me was really just a manifestation of Ni. I wasn't doing what the INTPs were doing, slicing through ideas with a razor of logical precision; I was running through a library of logical patterns (Ni-Te) and quickly discerning which pattern applied. When I can match a pattern with a problem in front of me, I solve the problem in an instant, and the Ti doms are all like "WTF, man! There's no way you could know that. Do you realize how many logical fallacies you just committed?!?!"

    You are assuredly an Ni dom, and while Ti may play a role in your thinking, it isn't a dominant one. That means INFJ or INTJ. And there is no way you are an INTJ. Therefore INFJ.

    You can assert some other type, such as your example of "Ni/Ti/Ne/Fe", but that just proves my point: you don't want to abide cognitive function theory if it doesn't fit your vision. In terms of cognitive function theory, you're INFJ. If you want to make up your own theory/typology, that's fine, but don't pretend you're using the standard one most of the rest of us on this forum are using.
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    I think I agree with @uumlau and @PeaceBaby that you are an INFJ. Seems like the test provided a wrong result. They're not perfect.

    Is Ti as high in your function stack as intuition? Maybe not.

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    Default My thoughts on Ni

    If I am Ni dom, and I follow with Fe, then, yes, I agree that makes me more INFJ.

    If I am Ni dom, and I follow with Ti, then I believe that makes me more INTP, as my MBTI test captured.

    Am I Ni dom?

    Am I Ti>Fe?

    The second question is perhaps easier to address: I am not sure yet. I lived so many years as a full-time homeschooling mother and wife that my Fe/Te was utilized every day for over 20 years. I am sure functions experts would say that if you 'practiced' using your non-dominant functions every day for 20 years, they are going to get pretty good. And you will score pretty high with them. Hence, why I am trying to go back to childhood, and look to how I am now (I realize now isn't necessarily super enlightening because as a person grows, new functions should become more comfortable and utilized). It will just take time, IN MY NATURAL STATE, to see just how natural Ti is feeling for me. I feel like it is waking up and coming back to life. I am just not sure.


    Do I use Ni over Ne? I KNOW I use Ne. I see patterns of inconsistency and patterns pointing to truths in things automatically, I cannot help it. I have always tested higher on Ni tests but we know those are not accurate. I have cracked Bible codes on my own because they appeared to me. That is Ne informed by some Te.

    But now, and when I was little, I spend much time alone, thinking. Putting it all together. I believe this is Ti, but what type of intuition? Ni or Ne? So I gather information, little bits at a time preferably, from the SOURCE (it always must be from the most pure source if possible: the subject itself, not a secondary source), and ponder it to find truth; to narrow in to one final truth, hopefully that can be utilized by others. But even if not, it is okay just to do it for myself. If not one person sees my Bible translation and Laws, that is okay with me, because it is my gift to God and I cannot help but do it; perhaps like a painter cannot help but to paint, even if no one will see their work.

    I dislike the definitions of Ni. Ne are okay. But Ni don't seem spot-on. Is that me not understanding it? Or is it that those writing them do not understand it? So I will brainstorm Ni below. I have prayed about this so I am asking God to inspire my writing that is completely true and accurate inasmuch as I can make it. Also, it is morning and I do my best thinking in the morning, I believe this is because Ni has been active all night and has produced some answers.

    Brainstorm of Ni:

    How it feels to experience it:

    Elusive, not sure how it's working, but it is always working

    Slow and steady, always churning through other information brought in by all other functions. This might be why Ni-ers need so much quiet and alone time. When so much is going on inside your brain, outside distractions are tedious and counterproductive to Ni. But mostly, it is energy-draining! It's like having a process downloading on your computer all the time, and how it slows the regular working of the computer down. Even though you might not see much being done, the batteries are getting used a lot.

    Fuzzy. I couldn't tell you exactly what it is doing. That knowledge is beyond me at this time. When I'm allowing Ni free reign, it feels like a meditative state, Ti enters in if I am struggling to work out a problem, but a true Ni state is, I believe, what you get when you can attain a non-thinking meditative state. You are floating. You have no anchor and don't want one. You transcend, but it is ironic because you transcend by going inside yourself, and tuning out the entire world. I believe we can also get this with a good sleep. Ni is always working.

    Irrational. I am smart, I am logical. But I will still say things that seem to unhinge others. Other intelligent folks (who rely of T more than N usually, or even INTJs who rely a lot on Te) will state I am being 'irrational' or that is an 'irrational' thought process, because to them they cannot see how I got form point A to point Z. Even though it is irrational, I know it is true.

    Reliable. Though I realize no one can understand how I got to the truth that I got to, I still know that I am right. Am I always right? Of course not. I have lived long enough to know that. But for the most part, even though I cannot prove it, I know it. So it's this weird place that feels like persecution almost. You know the truth, but everyone around you, even informed types, think you are crazy, and disregard you.


    How it works:

    Strips away the chaff leaving only the pure grain behind.

    Filters and purifies

    Condenses and makes sense of things, excludes extraneous data depending on the answer you are looking for

    Ni could synthesize a symbol to represent a concept, sure. Same as with a model; coming up with an original or creative paradigm or conceptual model is Ni, working with Ti usually, but Ni is necessary. Other types might be more comfortable defaulting to an existing model, because Ni is going WAY WAY out on a limb, by making something new. [Jung speaks much to symbols and Ni and also primitive archetypes and Si. I think that has really confused our understanding of Ni. I think it tells more about Jung than Ni/Si. He was into primitive things and mandalas and such, so I think he lumped those beloved objects of his into his definitions of Ni and Si because he simply did not understand Ni well, and wanted to include them somewhere.]

    Is the function least likely to be influenced. It is the deepest function, closest to our soul, and as such is the most pure function. That is likely why meditation is revered by everyone all over the world and in every religion and spirituality to be a good, spiritual practice; because you are spending time not trying to influence something, but just by being.

    It is not concerned with influencing; it just wants the truth.

    It can discern the truth from the past and from the present, if it is fed the proper data. And even to the future, in the area of its expertise, because of its ability to synthesize all the millions of information it has processed. This is not something mystical necessarily, it is just part of the outcome of always processing every tidbit of information that comes in. Notice I am speaking about processing, not storing. The storing of information would be the domain of Si. Or maybe even Ti (superficial storage), but mostly Si.



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    I'm not disregarding them, but what you are doing is using a different vocabulary, a different set of definitions, to describe yourself as you see yourself. Those definitions are not shared by others in this thread. So you can say you're NiTi, for example, but what YOU mean by that isn't what WE would mean by that.

    It's the shared definitions that are useful, in the end. These are what allow you an "outside-in perspective" of yourself, seeing yourself as others see you and mapping the common words/terms/functions to what you understand about yourself in such a way that opens up discussion and discovery.

    Without the shared definitions, your own typing terminology isn't wrong, per se, but it doesn't communicate anything. None of us are saying that you are "wrong" about your type, but are trying to find that common language.
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    haha. you are absolutely unreasonable.

    I see you as some sort of S type, honestly. I'm being serious.

    In fact, I'd appreciate it if you would quit posting in this thead. I cannot make you, but your condescension is not appreciated, at least by me.
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