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    Default Jung Definitions of Ti and Fi

    I was responding to a post yesterday in another thread and I got out my Psychological Types by Jung and consulted it about the original definition of Fe and Te. In researching that, I realized I am not F according to Carl Jung's definition of F because I do not put accepted values feelings over what I perceive is the 'real' truth of something. And I don't Te as much as I Ti (which was more clear cut for me to figure out using Jung's definitions).

    So I am back to thinking of myself in context to being an INTP. My friend says emphatically I am an INFJ with undeveloped Fe, which could be true. I respect this belief of his because he is pretty good at typing and knows me pretty well. I could have skipped the development of my Fe and gone straight to Ti instead which is hypothesized to be the function developed third in an INFJ. This is a theory I do not necessarily espouse, in fact I have iterated on Type C somewhere else that I am more in line with Jung's thinking about it. His thinking is that the dominant function is oriented inward or outward and all other functions are opposed to that orientation. Meaning if someone were Ni-dom, all their other function preferences would be extraverted in people with normal development. For those of us who suffered abuse or neglect, I believe we get a smorgasbord of functions going on, and there is no applicable rule.

    Whether or not I was originally intended to be an xnfj by nature matters little if by nurture I developed functions more in line with an intp. This is where the fulcrum exists for a person's nature vs nurture development; the launching place for becoming a different person. Perhaps?

    However, It is also conceivable I first used Ti then instead of developing the proper Ne, I turned my Ni inward. I have conscious memories of noticing patterns when I was young and having this almost-OCD type quality of needing things to be symmetrical. Which I now perceive as being an Ne/Se drive.? I have always been very good at guesstimating as well, into the crazy realm where N is required. But I am definitely more Ni than Ne, at least as far as I know.

    Anyway, I will further explore Ti and Fi here to see if I can shed some more light on my function preferences (since there are not great tests yet for them).


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    Ti Psychological Types pps. 380-386:

    Ti is primarily oriented by the subjective factor; it does not lead from concrete experience back again to the object, but always to the subjective content. External facts are not the aim and origin of this thinking, though the introvert would often like to make his thinking appear so. It begins with the subject and leads back to the subject, though it may range far into the realm of actual reality. New views rather than knowledge of new facts are its main concern. It formulates questions and creates theories, it opens up new prospects and insights, but with regard to facts its attitude is one of reserve. Facts are okay as examples, but they must not be allowed to predominate; they are only used as evidence for a theory. What is of paramount importance is the development and presentation of the subjective idea, of the initial symbolic image hovering darkly before the mind's eye; the shaping of that image into a luminous idea. It wants to reach reality. The creative power of this thinking shows itself when it actually creates an idea which manifests as a suitable expression of it. Its task is completed when the idea it has fashioned seems to emerge so inevitably from the external facts that they actually prove its validity.

    The accumulation of facts (Te) paralyzes thought and smothers their meaning. Kant represents this Ti thinking type. Ti types are strongly influenced by ideas, originating in the subjective realm. He will follow his ideas like the extravert, but in the reverse direction. Intensity is his aim, not extensity. His judgment appears cold, inflexible, arbitrary, and ruthless, because it relates far less to the object than the subject. He may be polite, amiable, and kind, but one is constantly aware of a certain uneasiness betraying an ulterior motive--the disarming of an opponent, who must at all costs be pacified and placated lest he prove himself a nuisance. He will never not a think a thought because it might be dangerous, subversive, heretical, or wounding to other's feelings. Yet he will feel badly if he has to make it an objective reality. And when he introduces his ideas to the world, he does not do it gracefully, but dumps them there and gets extremely annoyed if they fail to thrive on their own. He is impractical. Others must bow to its truth. He will rarely go out of his way to win anyone's appreciation of it, but if he does, he does so clumsily and it has the opposite effect intended. He usually has bad experiences with rivals in his own field because he never understands how to curry their favor; as a rule he only succeeds in showing them how entirely superfluous they are to him. In pursuit of his ideas he is generally stubborn, headstrong, and quite unamenable to influence. Yet he will lay himself open to the most undesirable elements, which can seize hold of him from the unconscious. He lets himself be brutalized and exploited in the most ignominious ways if only he can be left in peace to pursue his ideas. lol

    In his personal relations he is tacitern or else throws himself on people who cannot understand him, or for him this is one more proof of the abysmal stupidity of man. He is easy prey, or he may develop into a misanthropic bachelor with a childlike heart. He can be childishly naive. Casual acquaintances think him inconsiderate and domineering, but the better one knows him, the more favorable one's judgment becomes, and his closest friends value his intimacy very highly. To outsiders he seems unapproachable and arrogant and sometimes soured. (this is why i didn't do well as a teacher perhaps). As a teacher he has little influence, since the mentality of his students is strange to him. Teaching holds little interest for him unless it provides him with a theoretical problem. He is a poor teacher, because he is not concerned enough with the object(s) receiving the information.

    Outside influences are shut off and he becomes rigid in his convictions. He may become surly, even burst out with vicious retorts......ok that is enough! I think we get the picture.



    I AM TOTALLY TI. Don't know what is stronger though, my Ti or Ni. hmmmm.


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    Your an INFJ and your stubborn ass Ni combined with Ti has really restricted your Fe

    On another note. I swear half way down the Ti description a Je took over and turned us incompetent because we are not as social as them. Makes me wanna argue against Je. While they can get things across better, they talk out of their ass alot and miss the truth for getting the point across. Creating stupidity, but you know what, we got our point across.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poki View Post
    Your an INFJ and your stubborn ass Ni combined with Ti has really restricted your Fe

    On another note. I swear half way down the Ti description a Je took over and turned us incompetent because we are not as social as them. Makes me wanna argue against Je. While they can get things across better, they talk out of their ass alot and miss the truth for getting the point across. Creating stupidity, but you know what, we got our point across.
    Of course. There are pros and cons with both Ti and Te. Te is better at getting those points across and reinforcing them, but doesn't like to have original thought or go as deep.

    I remember my mom visited me in college when I was 19. She got upset with me because I had no Fe mindset; I did not offer her something to drink when she came in and was clueless I needed to, although I grew up in a Southern house where I should have known better....but at the same time she moved out when I was little and I could see I would not have learned Fe properly. I suspect I am Ni/Ti/Fe to my best guess. Which is a weird mix.


    Again: It could be INFJ gone awry, or INTP gone awry. The way to know is to figure out if I am more Ni or Ti...Agreed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Of course. There are pros and cons with both Ti and Te. Te is better at getting those points across and reinforcing them, but doesn't like to have original thought or go as deep.

    I remember my mom visited me in college when I was 19. She got upset with me because I had no Fe mindset; I did not offer her something to drink when she came in and was clueless I needed to, although I grew up in a Southern house where I should have known better....but at the same time she moved out when I was little and I could see I would not have learned Fe properly. I suspect I am Ni/Ti/Fe to my best guess. Which is a weird mix.


    Again: It could be INFJ gone awry, or INTP gone awry. The way to know is to figure out if I am more Ni or Ti...Agreed?
    IMHO you have a main function and support functions. Which one delegates? Who is in control? That is your dominant function. My stack is very strange as Ti and Te are way up there
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    I think you are a INFJ in a NiTi loop. I read the entire thread and you seem to lack self-awareness of your Fe.

    The test result is likely from your own lack of self-awareness. I tested as a ISTP 20 years ago, and again in April when I first came back to typology. I next tested INFP, then INFJ. I test ENFJ every time now because I can finally see myself. Every previous test was from my limited ego and what it could accept.

    You mentioned your ex was a Ti dom, so that exposure could definitely influence your functions. Add in a difficult childhood (almost guaranteed for Fe doms and auxs) and your functions get screwed up.

    I would recommend focusing on your Se for a bit. It should help you break out of your loop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poki View Post
    Your an INFJ and your stubborn ass Ni combined with Ti has really restricted your Fe

    On another note. I swear half way down the Ti description a Je took over and turned us incompetent because we are not as social as them. Makes me wanna argue against Je. While they can get things across better, they talk out of their ass alot and miss the truth for getting the point across. Creating stupidity, but you know what, we got our point across.
    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Of course. There are pros and cons with both Ti and Te. Te is better at getting those points across and reinforcing them, but doesn't like to have original thought or go as deep.

    I remember my mom visited me in college when I was 19. She got upset with me because I had no Fe mindset; I did not offer her something to drink when she came in and was clueless I needed to, although I grew up in a Southern house where I should have known better....but at the same time she moved out when I was little and I could see I would not have learned Fe properly. I suspect I am Ni/Ti/Fe to my best guess. Which is a weird mix.


    Again: It could be INFJ gone awry, or INTP gone awry. The way to know is to figure out if I am more Ni or Ti...Agreed?
    The problem with arguing with Je doms, imo, is that they seem to be done with the argument or discussion when they feel they're done, whereas I want to go deeper and dissect the argument's points more, but by that point they've usually already lost interest or moved on.

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    You vibe much more as an INFJ than you do as an INTP. Just my observation though, and far from an educated one.

    INFJs can be pretty damn analytical. I can see why the confusion might arise. I've been in similar predicaments since I discovered Jungian Cognitive Function Theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaximander View Post
    The problem with arguing with Je doms, imo, is that they seem to be done with the argument or discussion when they feel they're done, whereas I want to go deeper and dissect the argument's points more, but by that point they've usually already lost interest or moved on.
    Subject vs object. They are off the object and onto another. The object is done being discussed, someone else can tackle the subject.
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    I think ENFJ or INFJ would actually work well for you.
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    Released the controls, you would open my eyes
    That somehow, all of this mess
    Is just my attempt to know the worth of my life
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