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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarocchi View Post
    @Opal No I'm the least nit picking person ever. Omg extraverted intuition it is? It's much more like me. I'm all mixed up now.
    A Ti user could bottle her/his objection and not outwardly nit-pick--this would presumably be the work of Fe (self-effacement for the sake of group harmony). Learning about the functions can be very disarming, as most type profiles rely heavily on stereotypes, and can result in more confusion than help.

    Here are some very brief descriptions of the functions, if you're interested.

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    What would be your guess ?
    (Thanks for the link)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarocchi View Post
    What would be your guess ?
    (Thanks for the link)
    I'll have to observe you more. I'm still fairly new to the MBTI, so I need more information than some veteran members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opal View Post
    Introversion and Extraversion only refer to the orientation of your dominant function, not the words' traditional definitions. You wonder if you lead with Ne (extraverted intuition) or Ti (introverted thinking). The former connects different ideas and is responsible for seeing potential (Ne users can fall prey to analysis paralysis, in which they are overwhelmed by numerous potential actions and thus remain inactive); the latter seeks to organize the world into a logical framework, and results in having an innate, logical blueprint against which users contrast information (Ti users are often described as anal, nit-picking, and overly-literal). Ti users usually excel at detailing processes step-by-step.
    Eh, it's still referring to the "traditional" definitions, not just the orientation, it's both. It's more-so the latter than the former, but it can make it easier to understand the function orders within a type.

    I do think I'm an ENTJ actually and if so let me dispel this stereotype that we're all complete and entire douchebags, I can be quite a child at times.
    I'm usually a jerk though and if I think you're ugly I'll probably say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00c View Post
    Eh, it's still referring to the "traditional" definitions, not just the orientation. It's both.
    Extravert (noun):
    "an outgoing, gregarious person"
    or (to draw from two sources)
    "an outgoing, overtly expressive person"

    Do you understand how one can be focused on the external world without being outgoing, gregarious, or overtly expressive? The I and E refer only to the orientation of the first function. How the functional preference manifests behaviorally can be influenced by conditioning, among other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opal View Post
    Extravert (noun):
    "an outgoing, gregarious person"
    or (to draw from two sources)
    "an outgoing, overtly expressive person"

    Do you understand how one can be focused on the external world without being outgoing, gregarious, or overtly expressive? The I and E refer only to the orientation of the first function. How the functional preference manifests behaviorally can be influenced by conditioning, among other things.
    Outgoing can be synonymous with enjoying company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00c View Post
    Outgoing can be synonymous with enjoying company.
    Many Exxxs do enjoy company, but there are circumstances that can cause them to appear traditionally introverted; health can factor heavily into behavior. I'm only pursuing this tangent in the name of building an irrevocably stable foundation of understanding of the MBTI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opal View Post
    Many Exxxs do enjoy company, but there are circumstances that can cause them to appear traditionally introverted; health can factor heavily into behavior. I'm only pursuing this tangent in the name of building an irrevocably stable foundation of understanding of the MBTI.
    I understand, but it's both, the words chosen are introverted and extroverted for a reason. Yes, they can be seen as playing into how the other functions are organized, but they're not only for that or for that mainly.
    They're mainly there to establish whether a person is more withdrawn or sociable, but like I said before and unlike how you established, yes, they can help you also read the order of the functions and whether they're introverted or extroverted.
    Even within the generalized descriptions provided by Myers Briggs, it's clear that they're more so to describe how "out there" a person is, rather than simply order of functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarocchi View Post
    I just CAN’T stand not knowing what is my type for sure, which is so stupid.
    I’m not going to respond to a questionnaire cause these are long and boring. I’m going to expose a few problematic points/characteristics about myself that make me doubt if I’m either an INTP or an ENTP. Or maybe something else? (doubtful) But I’m open to anything guys.

    - I hate going out most of the time. About two or three times a year I get kind of an itch to go party but then I’m satisfied for a few months. When I get to the place of the party I know I have a few hours in front of me, in which I am the center of attention and the one who make people laugh like crazy but after like 4 hours I get back to being very introverted. I can’t control it somehow. (INTP idk)

    - When I was young - about 8 years old - I was so obsessed with ornithology (study of birds) that I memorized all the species of birds from where I live in Canada. (With the help of two books about the subject.) Every single one of them. I could identify them just by the way they sang. Adults were like wtf. (INTP ?)

    - I avoid talking to people if I can but I’m not bad at it. I actually kinda enjoy small talk since it’s not too personal. I’m also a great liar and I bullshit people really effortlessly. (ENTP ?) But I feel that when people are talking to me they are always interrupting my important thinking business. (INTP)

    - I’m the fastest person I’ve ever known at assembling Ikea furnitures. I don’t even need instructions. It’s a weird talent… It’s like I already know how to. (I feel this means something but I'm not sure what)

    - I’m pretty self centred and not very emotional. (Like at all !) I’ve got this cold quality about me and a resting bitch face, sadly. People who know me better often say I’m pretty nice tho. I’m not judgmental at all. Live and let live. I don’t integrate myself in other people’s lives. Some people like this about me, others don’t.

    - I used to be physically very awkward like the stereotypical INTPs but it bothered me and I learned to dance. (All by myself !) It corrected this weakness I had. It helps being taken seriously.

    - I have like one friend that I talk to because of univ. The worse is that I feel more comfortable this way ? Idk thats weird right ?

    - I don’t really get along with introverted feelers as far as I can tell and if my analysis is right. I like extroverted thinkers the most.

    - i’m dead scared of being seen as incompetent. This summer I worked in retail and while I’m confident about the fact I’m an intelligent person everybody agreed I was the worst they’ve ever seen at this simple, stupid job. I’m completely unsuited for the world. I’m the complete opposite of street-smart.

    - I’m not sensible to criticism at all.

    Sorry this is so long! (Also English is not my first language so forgive my errors !)
    Thanks
    Hi! So this is going to be based off all the information you’ve provided. First and foremost I’d like to give you a high-five because we’re from the same country.

    I was so obsessed with ornithology (study of birds) that I memorized all the species of birds from where I live in Canada. (With the help of two books about the subject.) Every single one of them. I could identify them just by the way they sang.

    You cannot be Si dom because this is not a hobby you have maintained for years and years. You are not Ni dom because this is not a single minded passion you’ve honed over the years. That brings us to Ne! Pair Ti, Ne, and Si together and you’ve got a perfect system for memorizing and cataloging information. In your case, birds!

    When I get to the place of the party I know I have a few hours in front of me, in which I am the center of attention and the one who make people laugh like crazy but after like 4 hours I get back to being very introverted. I can’t control it somehow.


    Ne! Ne! Ne! You know you’ve only got a few hours so you want to make most out of it and you play up your Ne/Fe side to get others laughing with your slightly oddball humour. Some of the most funniest people I’ve known were either Ne doms or auxs.

    i’m dead scared of being seen as incompetent.

    Doubting your competency is something INTPs do all the time! Their Ne keeps making them doubt if they are capable enough.

    But I feel that when people are talking to me they are always interrupting my important thinking business.

    Ti users (INTP/ISTP) need quietness to think. So you’ll find that you get quieter and quieter as the conversation goes on, because as you are speaking you are simultaneously going back into your head and cataloging every single thing the person is saying, checking for accuracy.

    I’m the fastest person I’ve ever known at assembling Ikea furnitures. I don’t even need instructions. It’s a weird talent… It’s like I already know how to.

    This is such an INTP thing…When INTPs need to figure out something (aka how to put furniture together) they will not even look at the instruction manual (that more Si/Te thing) INTPs will piece together parts of furniture using their system building Ti and Ne to understand how parts fit together. You probably enjoy doing this because it’s like a fun puzzle. INTPs love puzzles!

    Finally, if you are curious about everything you are an INTP.

    PS. If you’re an INTP (Ne aux.) you probably have a million different tabs open on your screen right now…

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00c View Post
    I understand, but it's both, the words chosen are introverted and extroverted for a reason. Yes, they can be seen as playing into how the other functions are organized, but they're not only for that or for that mainly.
    They're mainly there to establish whether a person is more withdrawn or sociable, but like I said before and unlike how you established, yes, they can help you also read the order of the functions and whether they're introverted or extroverted.
    Even within the generalized descriptions provided by Myers Briggs, it's clear that they're more so to describe how "out there" a person is, rather than simply order of functions.

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