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    Default What are the functions responsible for these thoughts/behaviours? (pls help)

    I'm stuck in the not-being-sure-about-my-type-anymore loop. Again.
    Not that I've ever been so sure anyway.
    Do you think I'm an ISTJ?

    1. As a kid I grew up in a catholic environment (catholic parents, catholic friends, catholic teachers, catholic classmates, catholic school, catholic everything) and thought that there was one God, that baby Jesus brought you Christmas presents and that good people went to heaven when they died, and I didn't question it because in my short existence I'd never met anyone who thought differently, and my mind didn't even entertain the idea that it was possible to think differently. That's what everyone told me, just like they told me that the grass is green and that people in Australia don't fall off the planet because of gravity. It was obvious, it made sense.

    2. I can't stand bad smells, don't like non HD images (especially when used as desktop backgrounds), and I'd rather not watch a movie than watch it in 360p.

    3. I'm adaptable, but I don't actively seek change (I'd be happy if someone changed things for me, but I'm too lazy to do it myself). I noticed that on the bus I always sit in the same seat without thinking about it. When I do unimportant things, I'm on autopilot. My brain works like the cache of a web browser: when I got on a bus for the first time, I memorized the act of walking towards x seat and sitting on it, so now every time I get on a bus I automatically sit on that x seat, like a browser loads a cached page without downloading it again from the server (my conscious mind). If I wanted to change from x to z, I'd have to think "now I'll change from x to z", but sticking with x feels more natural.

    4. Sometimes I wish I could stand up for people who are being humiliated for no reason, or people I sympathize with, but I never do. Sometimes I can't even stand up for myself.

    5. I remember things from my past but it's like they didn't really happen to me, like a dream. My memories feel strange.

    6. In kindergarten at midday everyone would go to this big room and play, but usually I stayed with the teachers on the teachers' bench with my hands on my ears. I was overwhelmed by all the noise and the screaming and children running around so fast (they were friggin' barbarians). UGH. Then for the rest of the day I would play alone (mostly) and always obey the teacher, and judge negatively those who didn't (my god I was a little nazi). Si-Te? I'm very different now, or at least I think I am, but some people who claim to be experts say it's impossible to go from one type to another (especially if it means changing all the functions). I don't know if I believe them though. Probably not.

    7. When I was five I hated the fact that I could see the veins in my wrist, and since my mother had pale skin too, I thought it was her fault because I had inherited it from her. So, I decided that I would become the queen of the universe and forbid people with this kind of "flaw" to ever have children. Ehm, I was kinda close-minded.

    I'm confused.
    I identify with Ti, but what if I use Te?
    What if Si>Se?
    What if- NO PLEASE STAHP

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    Omg but what if someone is sitting in your seat?! Haha, Idk that sounds pretty Si I think. I tend to sit in the same spot roughly but I try to mix things up too. I would say my memories are somewhat dreamlike too but isnt that just what memories are like? Idk. The thing about describing the kids as barbarians sounds like Si criticising Se. Idk though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Omg but what if someone is sitting in your seat?!
    They shall be executed.


    But what if I was like that because I grew up in a perfectionistic, rigid, organized, work first play later or better don't play at all, overprotective and close-minded environment? What if deep down I'm a repressed ENFP? What if I don't really know myself and never will because my true personality is hidden somewhere in my subconscious and is never going to come out? What if I don't have a personality, what if I'm not human?

    Why can't I be Ti-Si?

    ARGH.


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    Quote Originally Posted by robowolf View Post
    They shall be executed.


    But what if I was like that because I grew up in a perfectionistic, rigid, organized, work first play later or better don't play at all, overprotective and close-minded environment? What if deep down I'm a repressed ENFP? What if I don't really know myself and never will because my true personality is hidden somewhere in my subconscious and is never going to come out? What if I don't have a personality, what if I'm not human?

    Why can't I be Ti-Si?

    ARGH.

    I don't think your personality changes -that- much due to environment. Not to the degree that you would have the opposite traits or anything. You might just have habits which are odd for your type. Like, I know an ENTP who grew up in an organised household, and he's still clearly ENTP, he just happens to be quite neat and hygienic among other things.

    As for Si-Ti - I have heard people say that this is the proper function stack for ISTx, i.e. that both of the top two functions are introverted in an introvert. Though, I don't agree with this. Also, if you look at how functions are in socionics, if Si is your leading function, Ti will be the strongest function of the subconscious. Basically if you are strong in Si and Te, you will also be strong in Ti and Se, it's just that each pair of functions will enter into the psyche in a different way (and I think cognitive function test results usually show high scores which agree with this).

    I don't know what that example says about your thought processes. It seems reasonable and efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I don't think your personality changes -that- much due to environment. Not to the degree that you would have the opposite traits or anything. You might just have habits which are odd for your type. Like, I know an ENTP who grew up in an organised household, and he's still clearly ENTP, he just happens to be quite neat and hygienic among other things.

    As for Si-Ti - I have heard people say that this is the proper function stack for ISTx, i.e. that both of the top two functions are introverted in an introvert. Though, I don't agree with this. Also, if you look at how functions are in socionics, if Si is your leading function, Ti will be the strongest function of the subconscious. Basically if you are strong in Si and Te, you will also be strong in Ti and Se, it's just that each pair of functions will enter into the psyche in a different way (and I think cognitive function test results usually show high scores which agree with this).

    I don't know what that example says about your thought processes. It seems reasonable and efficient.
    I'm neither neat nor hygienic. Maybe I used to be, but I think my outlook on life has changed from "everything must be perfect" to "whatever, YOLO". I don't know, maybe I was trapped in that mindset and then I finally got out, or maybe that is still my mindset but I don't like it and I'm trying to rebel against it.
    As for Si-Ti, I've heard that was schizotypal personality disorder

    Ok, random things:

    Once my brother and I wanted to buy some new videogames, but he said we had to ask for permission first (we were taught to always ask). Our parents would have said "NO!", because that was the default answer to our requests, so I told him: "look, if you want something from this store and you know that you'll feel guilty if you don't do what mom says, then just don't ask for her permission, buy what you want to buy and hide it among the other videogames in your room. She won't notice."

    I was playing soccer with my brother and a friend when some older guys "invaded" the field and we had no space left. Bro and friend were like "we gotta tell them to go away", and I said "no, they're bigger than us, let's go somewhere else". I guess they hated me then but in my head it made perfect sense.

    I only follow rules that make sense and don't prevent me from doing things I want to do.

    When I was younger I would always correct people, like
    Person: look, a thing!
    Me: no, it's a *insert technical term here*

    I hate being forced to do stuff.

    I have zero respect for traditions or social conventions that don't make sense to me (funerals, celebrating birthdays, Christmas presents, no elbows on the table, having to eat not when hungry but at established times...)

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    Those are quirks and neuroses.

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    I read this in Gifts Differing: "System in doing things. It is natural for a judging type to decide what is the best way of doing a thing and then consistently do it that way. The thinking process tries for the most logical method; the feeling process for the most pleasing, suitable, or proper method."

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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteen View Post
    Those are quirks and neuroses.
    Maybe you're right, but overanalyzing things until everything I know becomes blurry and then disappears is what I do best

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I read this in Gifts Differing: "System in doing things. It is natural for a judging type to decide what is the best way of doing a thing and then consistently do it that way. The thinking process tries for the most logical method; the feeling process for the most pleasing, suitable, or proper method."
    Why would I look for another way when I already know the best one (which means I wouldn't find a better one anyway)?

    I imagine ISTJs as focused, organized, hardworking, somewhat traditionalist people who take life very seriously and know what they want (and probably also how to get it). I know these are all just stupid stereotypes but there might be a core of truth in them...
    Is it possible that I somehow developed an atypical personality and became the opposite of what I'm "supposed" to be?
    And it's weird that I can still relate to Ti but apparently use Si.
    Also, decision making is a great weakness of mine. Once I had to buy a new mobile phone and I wanted to get a good one, but my budget was very limited. I kept looking for a good offer until, three months later, I found a Mediacom on sale that seemed nice, so as soon as I got home I started looking for reviews and stuff and then asked myself "is it really the best one out there?", and when a week later I decided that it probably was (and even if it wasn't, it was ok) the offer had ended. Then my mother found a Nokia on Amazon, showed it to me and I was like, "yeah, whatever, let's buy it." I guess the first part about trying to find a mobile with the specs I wanted and a decent price/quality ratio could be a J trait, but my not being able to make up my mind about whether I wanted to buy that phone or not might be P... maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robowolf View Post
    I imagine ISTJs as focused, organized, hardworking, somewhat traditionalist people who take life very seriously and know what they want (and probably also how to get it). I know these are all just stupid stereotypes but there might be a core of truth in them...
    Is it possible that I somehow developed an atypical personality and became the opposite of what I'm "supposed" to be?
    And it's weird that I can still relate to Ti but apparently use Si.
    Also, decision making is a great weakness of mine. Once I had to buy a new mobile phone and I wanted to get a good one, but my budget was very limited. I kept looking for a good offer until, three months later, I found a Mediacom on sale that seemed nice, so as soon as I got home I started looking for reviews and stuff and then asked myself "is it really the best one out there?", and when a week later I decided that it probably was (and even if it wasn't, it was ok) the offer had ended. Then my mother found a Nokia on Amazon, showed it to me and I was like, "yeah, whatever, let's buy it." I guess the first part about trying to find a mobile with the specs I wanted and a decent price/quality ratio could be a J trait, but my not being able to make up my mind about whether I wanted to buy that phone or not might be P... maybe.
    I'm somewhat focused (someone described me as "the opposite of ADHD"), somewhat organised, not very hardworking, idk how I would be seen as traditionalist, I only take life too seriously in the sense of brooding over the past at times, I laugh all the time even when I probably shouldn't. I don't know what I want or how to get the things I do think I want.

    I am insanely indecisive.

    I related strongly to Ti when I first heard about MBTI. I'm not sure if I can any more. I never related to Se though, except when I was trying to force it to fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I laugh all the time even when I probably shouldn't.
    Ahah, I can relate to that.

    Thank you for helping me out.
    I guess I am an ISTJ after all.

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