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    Default Need a bit of help (re)typing myself

    Most online tests type me as an INTJ and, for a couple years, I thought I was one. Sure, my J/P preference was very slight, but I did recognize myself in INTJ descriptions. And I still do. That's mostly because I am driven and ambitious (but I later realised I focus them internally) and let's just say I can give the INTJ vibe (just as their famous stare of death), and people have noticed that. I honestly don't know what arguments to give in favour of being an INTJ at this point, other than testing as one, which is, more often than not, worthless.

    However, as of late, I got more doubtful. The problem with INTJ was mostly its cognitive functions. Reasons why I'm probably an INTP:

    - I procrastinate. I am driven, as I said, but I often ask myself what the point of doing it (whatever "it" is) would be and I fall back in my nihilistic pit (it could be blamed on my self-diagnosed depression, though)
    - I love analysing things, entertaining multiple possibilities/trying to find multiple interpretations (Ne?), being a little philosopher
    - I feel that Ti is my bro-function, I identify with it the most. The problem is, my Te is very developed too, and, generally, if I merely take a test, they score pretty close. So do Ne and Ni, and sometimes I get typed as an INTJ
    - I enjoy finding logical inconsistencies and pointing them out

    Someone recently told me I struck them as an INFJ in a Ni-Ti loop that suppresses her feelings. I was a bit amazed, but the INFJ description does fit me too. The problem is that I'm not people-oriented. Despite this:

    - I can read/understand people and their intentions (INTPs don't seem as good at this)
    - I am interested (objectively) in religions, symbolism, archetypes. I am not spiritual myself.
    - I do feel kind of alien and disconnected usually
    - I can be very affectionate (with my partner, for instance - I just alternate that with being very cold)


    I'd say I'm an INTP, but I read that a high Ti can block out Fe, and so can my desire to be objective/unbiased and realistic.

    What do INFJ in Ni-Ti loops typically behave like? Could I be one, despite my NT-ish traits? Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon Corax View Post
    Most online tests type me as an INTJ and, for a couple years, I thought I was one. Sure, my J/P preference was very slight, but I did recognize myself in INTJ descriptions. And I still do. That's mostly because I am driven and ambitious (but I later realised I focus them internally) and let's just say I can give the INTJ vibe (just as their famous stare of death), and people have noticed that. I honestly don't know what arguments to give in favour of being an INTJ at this point, other than testing as one, which is, more often than not, worthless.

    However, as of late, I got more doubtful. The problem with INTJ was mostly its cognitive functions. Reasons why I'm probably an INTP:

    - I procrastinate. I am driven, as I said, but I often ask myself what the point of doing it (whatever "it" is) would be and I fall back in my nihilistic pit (it could be blamed on my self-diagnosed depression, though)
    - I love analysing things, entertaining multiple possibilities/trying to find multiple interpretations (Ne?), being a little philosopher
    - I feel that Ti is my bro-function, I identify with it the most. The problem is, my Te is very developed too, and, generally, if I merely take a test, they score pretty close. So do Ne and Ni, and sometimes I get typed as an INTJ
    - I enjoy finding logical inconsistencies and pointing them out

    Someone recently told me I struck them as an INFJ in a Ni-Ti loop that suppresses her feelings. I was a bit amazed, but the INFJ description does fit me too. The problem is that I'm not people-oriented. Despite this:

    - I can read/understand people and their intentions (INTPs don't seem as good at this)
    - I am interested (objectively) in religions, symbolism, archetypes. I am not spiritual myself.
    - I do feel kind of alien and disconnected usually
    - I can be very affectionate (with my partner, for instance - I just alternate that with being very cold)


    I'd say I'm an INTP, but I read that a high Ti can block out Fe, and so can my desire to be objective/unbiased and realistic.

    What do INFJ in Ni-Ti loops typically behave like? Could I be one, despite my NT-ish traits? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
    I've never seen any good reasons to believe in the existence of dom-ter loops. Not saying they don't, merely that I'm unconvinced.

    I don't think there's enough info here to say whether you're INTJ or INTP (or anything else).

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    Any particular questions I could answer (or aspects I should pay attention to) in order to figure myself out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon Corax View Post
    Any particular questions I could answer (or aspects I should pay attention to) in order to figure myself out?
    You can take my personality inventory, via PM on this forum, and then PM the results to me for scoring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon Corax View Post
    Most online tests type me as an INTJ and, for a couple years, I thought I was one. Sure, my J/P preference was very slight, but I did recognize myself in INTJ descriptions. And I still do. That's mostly because I am driven and ambitious (but I later realised I focus them internally) and let's just say I can give the INTJ vibe (just as their famous stare of death), and people have noticed that. I honestly don't know what arguments to give in favour of being an INTJ at this point, other than testing as one, which is, more often than not, worthless.

    However, as of late, I got more doubtful. The problem with INTJ was mostly its cognitive functions. Reasons why I'm probably an INTP:

    - I procrastinate. I am driven, as I said, but I often ask myself what the point of doing it (whatever "it" is) would be and I fall back in my nihilistic pit (it could be blamed on my self-diagnosed depression, though)
    - I love analysing things, entertaining multiple possibilities/trying to find multiple interpretations (Ne?), being a little philosopher
    - I feel that Ti is my bro-function, I identify with it the most. The problem is, my Te is very developed too, and, generally, if I merely take a test, they score pretty close. So do Ne and Ni, and sometimes I get typed as an INTJ
    - I enjoy finding logical inconsistencies and pointing them out

    Someone recently told me I struck them as an INFJ in a Ni-Ti loop that suppresses her feelings. I was a bit amazed, but the INFJ description does fit me too. The problem is that I'm not people-oriented. Despite this:

    - I can read/understand people and their intentions (INTPs don't seem as good at this)
    - I am interested (objectively) in religions, symbolism, archetypes. I am not spiritual myself.
    - I do feel kind of alien and disconnected usually
    - I can be very affectionate (with my partner, for instance - I just alternate that with being very cold)


    I'd say I'm an INTP, but I read that a high Ti can block out Fe, and so can my desire to be objective/unbiased and realistic.

    What do INFJ in Ni-Ti loops typically behave like? Could I be one, despite my NT-ish traits? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
    If you're really an introvert, then Fe, as an extroverted type, is not going to find a large place in your personality vocabulary. In other words, it's not going to be expressed as a socially interactive function, but one that plays a role in determining the purpose your Ni intuitions play. In your case, if you're an INFJ, then you will be a societal visionary, someone who can somehow see the direction in which society as a whole is flowing into the future.

    As for Ni-Ti loops, they exist because the INFJ is not prone to acting on his or her visions and falls back on objectively intellectual methods of internal discourse.
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    I am, indeed, very introverted. Do "individual" intuitions count too, as opposed to them being related to society as a whole? Mostly, being able to predict what this or that person is likely to do or how they are likely to approach a problem. I am interested in the future development of society and I do think about it, though admittedly less than about deciphering more and more truths related to human condition.

    I see what is generally called the "human condition" as a way of objectifying people, in a sense, since I pay no attention to them subjectively. Would a psychological or philosophical interest in society (one that does not involve growing attached to it, but using intellectual methods in an attempt to make sense of it) be common in INFJs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon Corax View Post
    I am, indeed, very introverted. Do "individual" intuitions count too, as opposed to them being related to society as a whole? Mostly, being able to predict what this or that person is likely to do or how they are likely to approach a problem. I am interested in the future development of society and I do think about it, though admittedly less than about deciphering more and more truths related to human condition.

    I see what is generally called the "human condition" as a way of objectifying people, in a sense, since I pay no attention to them subjectively. Would a psychological or philosophical interest in society (one that does not involve growing attached to it, but using intellectual methods in an attempt to make sense of it) be common in INFJs?
    Taking an interest in society is common to many types. But if you are an Ni-dom, especially with Fe-aux, then you will be more profound and visionary in your ideas about society.

    Taking an objective approach with individuals is what I call the social risk-aversion approach. There will be a tendency to place "something" between yourself and other, in contrast with your tendency to be very much in touch with yourself. Your communications with others will be indirect, through some sort of medium such as art. You, as a (possible) INFJ, desire to be understood and appreciated, but you won't believe that direct communication with others will ever get you there but will be doomed to failure.
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    The reason is that the INFJ's visions are very real and personal to them, while directly communicating those visions conceptually to others will likely result in a skeptical response. An INTJ has conceptual ideas about the future, and they are less profound than the INFJs because INTJ's Te gives it a certain capacity for filtering out ideas via self-skepticism or self-questioning, whereas Fe is not a skeptical function.

    The INFJ's desire to understand others on an individual (although not very personal) level gives them a feeling of social control that they otherwise lack.
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    Is the desire to be appreciated strictly seen as a means to connect and communicate or as a natural part in self-develeopment (e.g. painting because you want to become someone and therefore associate yourself with a form of immortality)? I care quite a bit for improving myself, but it doesn't always happen through means that give the possibility to connect to other people. For instance, I take an interest in drawing, but it is on par with my interest in Norse mythology, or quantum physics, which will never provide me with a medium for communication. I've seen this before as a manifestation of the INTP tendency of taking up many things at once and having various hobbies.

    I've read a bit on the difference between Ni and Ne. Ni users supposedly experience sudden realizations (which I do not) and are more focused than I typically am. They tend to generate one idea and stick to it instead of many. If I am given a piece of poetry, for instance, or a metaphor, I will try to find more interpretations to it, even though they would lack the same depth. This is my (not so good) understanding of the functions, so I might be entirely wrong.

    EDIT: Both my Fe and Fi (not as relevant here) are very, very, low, acccording to cognitive functions tests (I once got a negative number for Fi, hah). This is part of what fuels my skepticism towards INFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon Corax View Post
    Is the desire to be appreciated strictly seen as a means to connect and communicate or as a natural part in self-develeopment (e.g. painting because you want to become someone and therefore associate yourself with a form of immortality)? I care quite a bit for improving myself, but it doesn't always happen through means that give the possibility to connect to other people. For instance, I take an interest in drawing, but it is on par with my interest in Norse mythology, or quantum physics, which will never provide me with a medium for communication. I've seen this before as a manifestation of the INTP tendency of taking up many things at once and having various hobbies.

    I've read a bit on the difference between Ni and Ne. Ni users supposedly experience sudden realizations (which I do not) and are more focused than I typically am. They tend to generate one idea and stick to it instead of many. If I am given a piece of poetry, for instance, or a metaphor, I will try to find more interpretations to it, even though they would lack the same depth. This is my (not so good) understanding of the functions, so I might be entirely wrong.

    EDIT: Both my Fe and Fi (not as relevant here) are very, very, low, acccording to cognitive functions tests (I once got a negative number for Fi, hah). This is part of what fuels my skepticism towards INFJ.
    "Sudden realizations," in other words, flashes of inspiration and insight, are a key Ni trait. Consider Ni-dom Carl Jung, who saw WWI in a vision a few years before it happened, and then, just before he died, he saw the world erupting in flames.

    If you don't have these types of experiences, then Ni-dom hardly seems to be the right function for you. But Ni doesn't always have visions. With INTJ, it is more often a conceptual idea that results from a synthesis of the past with the present and creates an idea about the future. This is not a speculative idea, but one that the INTJ treats as real.
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