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    Starry, southern kross, sky and the rest i'll reply to all of you in a bit.

    Need some time to clear my head.

    Saying thank you for helping me out would feel like i am ending this thread, so i won't do it yet .
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    Take your time, Riva, will look forward to hearing from you later.

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    Okay i think i am ready to resume this thread. I will reply to all the posts as soon as there is time.

    So i think the question is whether i am a 9w8 or 7w6. Sadly i am not cool enough to be an 7w8 and i think i reached that conclusion and convinced others the same
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    @Starry

    Southern Kross did an amazing...amazing, amazing job explaining instinctual variants. I swear she should write a book on the topic...but the questions she presented to rule in or out 7 cause me a bit of concern. <-This is good though because I'm thinking of starting a thread on this very topic...so yeah. But you can't say to a 7 "do you distract yourself...do you run from your problems?" or something along those lines because that is one of the things an actual 7 won't see. In fact, the responses you have given to those questions rule 7 in - in my mind because of how you were insisting you don't avoid, distract, etc. Similarly, you can't necessarily ask a 9 "do you avoid conflict?"...because that's something an actual 9 is hiding from themselves.

    I do feel you have a strong 9 fix...but I definitely believe you are a 7. Complicating your understanding of 7 I believe is the fact that social 7s are quite disciplined and less likely to avoid problems in the first place in spite of being 7s.

    Here's a description of the social 7

    Enneagram Central - Social Seven
    Typing from phone.

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    Also Sk's and oa's abilities to 'clearly' inform and convince me/sway opinions -NOT talking about my enneagram type - more so than intps do is quite amazing.

    I read that link and you made a good point about sk might have been asking the wrong question. Although yiu do make an awesome point regarding that it should be pojnted out that maybe at my age (26) i am beginning to realize that although i am not the most self analysing person. Aslo e4s often complaints about ..... wait they don't complain much about envy (or whatever they are suffering from) and they are quite introspective and observant of their feelings (esp fi doms), so i might be making the wrong comparison. They do complain about not fitting in quite a lot. Lolz. I am totally unempathetic about it.

    Anyway, something that should be noted is my father is an estj e8w7 and my sister is an estp cp 6. (Mother is an esfp 7). Growing up with such an aggressive duo would have made me aggressive is return to avoid being trampled on. People learn and adapt from the environment, so i would have learned quite a bit from them as to have my defenses up and be aggressive to get things done. No?

    Yes i do ignore my problems but i don't distract myself from them. If you mean sleep it through till i get my energy up that i do. E7s even if i dont often literally see them running from problems they do have that 'Ah fuck this' attitude esp in 7w8s and they do seem to distract thenselves a lot.

    See i ignore my problems from time to time but i don't distract myself i like to think. E9s seem to ignore their problems a lot too. But there is a mild difference. Maybe it's lethargy? Do E9s have issues being practical? I used to have issued of not knowing what to do. I think most kids have this. I curse myself for not knowing what to do when it happens though eventualy i find a way.

    Regarding the link you shared about social 7s and what i have observed about them in general: they seem to have issues to irresponsibility. Even social 7s become irresponsible when they feel they are chocked. This is NOT me. I am never irresponsible. Even my estj father who loves to disgustingly critisise everyone EVERYDAY i can never remember accuaing me of being irresponsible.

    If the link didn't mention the wanting to run away irresponsible when chocked part i would have been sold on it.

    EDIT - HOWEVER, I CAN NEVER RELATE TO AN E9 DESCRIPTION EVER though i can sadly relate to the lazy to deal with hints of tbe personality. NEVER THE WAY THEY THINK.

    Sigh! I am making this annoyingly complicated i feel.
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    Could i be an e9 who has/is intergrated/intergrating into an e3?

    I do have may the world burn around me i will remai cool because i will survive look and attitude. I also look extremely relaxed and is. However when i am talking to people i feel quite energetic and looks engaged.

    ^ they do sound e9 more so than any other type me thinks.

    Don't cross me i am going to kick your ass sooner or later, leave me the fuck alone and don't annoy me attitudes of certain 9w8 characters i can relate to such as spike spiegel and annie lioneart.
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    I vote for a healthy 2. Just like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I vote for a healthy 2. Just like that.
    This is why there is no voting option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    @Starry



    Typing from phone.

    ^

    Also Sk's and oa's abilities to 'clearly' inform and convince me/sway opinions -NOT talking about my enneagram type - more so than intps do is quite amazing.

    I read that link and you made a good point about sk might have been asking the wrong question. Although yiu do make an awesome point regarding that it should be pojnted out that maybe at my age (26) i am beginning to realize that although i am not the most self analysing person. Aslo e4s often complaints about ..... wait they don't complain much about envy (or whatever they are suffering from) and they are quite introspective and observant of their feelings (esp fi doms), so i might be making the wrong comparison. They do complain about not fitting in quite a lot. Lolz. I am totally unempathetic about it.

    Anyway, something that should be noted is my father is an estj e8w7 and my sister is an estp cp 6. (Mother is an esfp 7). Growing up with such an aggressive duo would have made me aggressive is return to avoid being trampled on. People learn and adapt from the environment, so i would have learned quite a bit from them as to have my defenses up and be aggressive to get things done. No?

    Yes i do ignore my problems but i don't distract myself from them. If you mean sleep it through till i get my energy up that i do. E7s even if i dont often literally see them running from problems they do have that 'Ah fuck this' attitude esp in 7w8s and they do seem to distract thenselves a lot.

    See i ignore my problems from time to time but i don't distract myself i like to think. E9s seem to ignore their problems a lot too. But there is a mild difference. Maybe it's lethargy? Do E9s have issues being practical? I used to have issued of not knowing what to do. I think most kids have this. I curse myself for not knowing what to do when it happens though eventualy i find a way.

    Regarding the link you shared about social 7s and what i have observed about them in general: they seem to have issues to irresponsibility. Even social 7s become irresponsible when they feel they are chocked. This is NOT me. I am never irresponsible. Even my estj father who loves to disgustingly critisise everyone EVERYDAY i can never remember accuaing me of being irresponsible.

    If the link didn't mention the wanting to run away irresponsible when chocked part i would have been sold on it.

    EDIT - HOWEVER, I CAN NEVER RELATE TO AN E9 DESCRIPTION EVER though i can sadly relate to the lazy to deal with hints of tbe personality. NEVER THE WAY THEY THINK.

    Sigh! I am making this annoyingly complicated i feel.

    Umm yah, riva... I guess at this time (I totally have some sort of nasty cold/flu thing going on) I don't have much more I can say unless "you just clearly are one" counts in some way as it pertains to you and e7.

    At some point after the creation of this tread...I stumbled across an old thread of yours and when reading it I was like "Oh dude. It doesn't get much more TP 7 than this." It even had me returning to 7w8 for you which is where I might stay...7w8 so/sp. Can I see 9 at work in you? Yes. But it's definitely playing a supporting role and is not the main character. And no, I don't think you have 'integrated to 3' and this is why you are failing to relate to many of 9s attributes. 3w2 and 9w8 as fixes but 7 clearly has control of the wheel. <-It's in your cheeky humor...your curiosity. You push-up against boundaries for no other reason than curiosity/interest/entertainment which is tell-tale NTP riding the 1->7->5 line. And yes, I believe these curiosities often function as a distraction from the less fascinating aspects of life. I'm not sure what people/members imagine 'e7 distractions' to be but they're not an official "sex, drugs and rock & roll." Bottom line...many, if not most, e7s are imaginative dreamers that are capable of maintaining perspective. IOW there actually exists practical, down-to-earth 7s that steer their attention away from negativity using simple, entirely legal means.

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    @OrangeAppled

    “One of the main reasons I could be 7w6 over 7w8 is because I don't have that opportunistic, go-getter-attitude/badass - which I admire - that is commonly seen/associated with 7w8s. The influence of w8 bulldozing worries over minute details and going out and getting what they want without caring who or what is shaken, is not something I see in me. I seem to need to make sense of it all - including why I deserve it - which cripples me sometimes. I hope you got what I was trying to say.”
    This is telling….over-thinking is much more 6-wing than 8-wing. Your observation of the 7w8 is close to my own (my dad happens to be an ENTP 7w8, and this certainly sounds like him).


    Riva, you DO seem very assured that stuff will work out for you, including connections to others, despite feeling a lack of confidence. It’s not unusual for people to have insecurity over their dominant instinct while appearing rather adept at it to others (result of over-focus). Remember that the core fixation plays out in the instincts, so the 7’s pleasure-drive and narcissism should be evident in their dominant instinct. How does that play out for you? I can see it in your tendency to want to affect people and form some rapport, which you do more good-naturedly than anything, even if jabbing here & there.
    Thank you for the reply. First of all dear orangeappled you should know thay i know about your dad and would highly unlikely forget about him. I mentioned your dad in this very thread. Yes i talked about your dad. It isn't as weird as it may sound and was totally appropriate to the conversation at hand .

    I think i should correct i what i said above. I said i don't see it in me. But it should be i didn't see in me and that i have developed into such a character over time. This could be because i have matured or my w8 has developed or i admire such traits. I don't
    worry too much anymore. Also i don't feel crippled anymore.

    I guess that's who i was and i am in this thread have been trying to type the person i was. Like whem i was a teenager. This might explain why i can't arrrive at a conclusion. I am one thing, people say (you and others) that i am that thing but i saying i am another thing. But this another thing is what i used to be. At this moment i would blame it on the wing theory .

    Going back to the instinctual variance in your last question i do exactly that. But to what degree 'compararively' i don't know. Hmm i don't know whether thisnis a clue of sx second or sx last: i interact smile and laugh with a lot of people but doesn't feel bonded to them. So does it mean i lack sx that i don't bond or does it mean i have significant sx and is complaining about the not bonding enough? I think this should nail what i am.

    (Ps - i do feel jealous and concerned when i am nor kept in touch with certain people BUT all these people are women i am atreacted - Maybe this para should be ignored therefore.)

    Assuming i am a e7 i am probably not a sp dom because i can't identify with their sp craving (somewhat hedonistic?) lifestyles. Now i fear of beginning to admire them wanting to be one and eventually becoming one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Umm yah, riva... I guess at this time (I totally have some sort of nasty cold/flu thing going on) I don't have much more I can say unless "you just clearly are one" counts in some way as it pertains to you and e7.

    At some point after the creation of this tread...I stumbled across an old thread of yours and when reading it I was like "Oh dude. It doesn't get much more TP 7 than this." It even had me returning to 7w8 for you which is where I might stay...7w8 so/sp. Can I see 9 at work in you? Yes. But it's definitely playing a supporting role and is not the main character. And no, I don't think you have 'integrated to 3' and this is why you are failing to relate to many of 9s attributes. 3w2 and 9w8 as fixes but 7 clearly has control of the wheel. <-It's in your cheeky humor...your curiosity. You push-up against boundaries for no other reason than curiosity/interest/entertainment which is tell-tale NTP riding the 1->7->5 line. And yes, I believe these curiosities often function as a distraction from the less fascinating aspects of life. I'm not sure what people/members imagine 'e7 distractions' to be but they're not an official "sex, drugs and rock & roll." Bottom line...many, if not most, e7s are imaginative dreamers that are capable of maintaining perspective. IOW there actually exists practical, down-to-earth 7s that steer their attention away from negativity using simple, entirely legal means.
    Maybe i am refusing to settle down on a type because i like the attention? I am such an attention whore . Sorry for making this so annoying .

    Not intergrating to e3 you say. No issue with that. Don't see myself having a e1 stresd reaction when stressef though. I wonder how that happens.

    I think if i observe my interactions with others i will obviously pick 7w8 over 9w8 or even 7w6.

    I wrote a reply to OA above. That might explain a lot or simply agree with what you had to say.

    Hmm i think when i think 7w8s i think of hedonistic sp doms and when i think of 7w6s i think of bubbly efp so doms and then think to myself that i am neither cool or bubbly as any if them and think i am neither.
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