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    Quote Originally Posted by LanaBanana View Post
    I figured ENTPs and ENTJ can get along quite well. Something about them together just clicks to me. They have a lot in common but share no functions, which is quite cool.
    yeah, it's really interesting that we share no function and yet only P vs J is different. I haven't really that much thought about types of other people I know, except my family and close friends, so by that definiton I don't know any ENTP in RL.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Actually, I find them to pretty much be my nemeses.

    They are very skilled at sizing up people, and poking weaknesses, if they choose, and just general smack talk, haha (which I respect).

    I'm a laid back guy, but have noticed some ENTJs tend to take that as weakness or something. The ones I know have no problem verbally embarrassing someone in public. A few have tried that with me, and well, homie don't play that, haha (One ENTJ told me "you are like, REALLY mean to me" But the reality was that I only gave what I got). I'm not sure if all ENTPs are developed enough for straight up cutting verbal duals, but they certainly have the potential.

    Some of the ENTPs I know (there's not many) that are more developed can easily counter an ENTJ jab with a right cross KO. THEN they seem to give respect, and that's when we get along. I think that's because ENTPs see more angles. It's like this weird, Alpha vs. Alpha, then we hug.
    bolded - do relate; If I am good at something it is verbal murder and seeing trough people.
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    Consider I am a female ENTJ, even worse. Talking about identity crisis and my own confusion with self. Not to mention men are usually so struck when interacting with me, they don't know what hit them. I think in element of surprise I am worse than male ENTJ, being also very cute makes it so much harder on them. But male ENTJs seem to be more egoistic than me.

    I don't know ENTPs so I don't know how that would go, but I have a female friend ESTP. She and I had a rough start, like bulls; now we are at hug stage hahah, really good buds. I have respect for strong and real people, so I guess that is where we can meet, assuming that we came to stage of mutual respect and do not try to dominate other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnes View Post
    Consider I am a female ENTJ, even worse. Talking about identity crisis and my own confusion with self. Not to mention men are usually so struck when interacting with me, they don't know what hit them. I think in element of surprise I am worse than male ENTJ, being also very cute makes it so much harder on them. But male ENTJs seem to be more egoistic than me.
    Oh this I can totally relate to. In fact, this grad school I went to was full of ENTJ women, and I hadn't ever really been around that many. They caught me off guard at first, but after I knew what to expect, I either chewed their asses out, or embarrassed them in class, they stopped. Ha, and then I was told 2 had crushes on me.

    And my ex-gf is actually an ENTP herself, and like you, she's unassuming and practically makes grown men cry. And FAST with her comebacks. I've seen it. So she has a polish last name and this short guy she used to work with at this nice restaurant comes up and says "Why ya so SHORT, Slutsky??" and without blinking "Cuz I'm a girl, what's your excuse??" Dude got smoked.

    If ya ever run into any ENTPs, take note. Not all are up to par with ENTJs concerning verbal sparring, but many surpass them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Oh this I can totally relate to. In fact, this grad school I went to was full of ENTJ women, and I hadn't ever really been around that many. They caught me off guard at first, but after I knew what to expect, I either chewed their asses out, or embarrassed them in class, they stopped. Ha, and then I was told 2 had crushes on me.

    And my ex-gf is actually an ENTP herself, and like you, she's unassuming and practically makes grown men cry. And FAST with her comebacks. I've seen it. So she has a polish last name and this short guy she used to work with at this nice restaurant comes up and says "Why ya so SHORT, Slutsky??" and without blinking "Cuz I'm a girl, what's your excuse??" Dude got smoked.

    If ya ever run into any ENTPs, take note. Not all are up to par with ENTJs concerning verbal sparring, but many surpass them.
    Note that I am open minded and I rarely attack people first. I mostly am all nice and stuff and I guess I want to be a good person. But I know that I am very witty in my nature. I have a high F so I tend not to hurt people too much, but I do have a problem with sustaining my nature. Sometimes I cannot resist so I make that horrible jokes, but I do it sometimes to myself too, so it is more fair. I am also very refined in the way I talk that sometimes I offend people without them noticing. I like to do it smoothly so it actually takes time for them to get it, buy then, the argument is already over. I am also careful how far I go, I get people so I'm cautious not to let it go too far, e.g. hate.

    My father is ESTP and it can get very heated between us; he is usually more shocked by mine comebacks than I with his.
    MY ESTP female friend I mentioned is much more aggressive. Not that I cannot be; but I'm only like that when feel threatened, provoked or underestimated (put down). Me and my ESTP friend were once out and guy approached to us and she was very mean saying things like:
    "You're ugly, bye." Or "Fuck off." etc. She just wanted him gone cause he was so pushy. I knew we're never gonna get rid of him like that. So I said to him nicely:
    "You know what? We're kind of having a girl night cause we are very disappointed in boys. I'm sorry about my friend but she is really done with boys right now. So I would appreciate if you could leave us now cause we have a girl's night." And guy did soften up and left us alone, he said I was nice and my friend was a whore when leaving, but I did made him leave. I can be diplomatic like that. Sometimes I get things my way and only I knowing I did them and can maybe even appear weak. I don't see it as manipulation, well ok, maybe it is in the way, but it does not come from negativity. For me it is more important that I dominated regardless of that being public or only I know it. I value more being real than visual dominance.

    I don't really have luck in love. I am very serious about it and am willing to give it all. All boys that I was in love with at certain point turn to be really selfish and unwilling to give it all. They all appear to be quite dominant which I like, but weren't in reality. At least not a match for me. But ENTPs seem to be cool, maybe if I fall in love in some ENTP could work out

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    I've been typed as ENFP by multiple people, and pretty much everyone on TypoC thinks I'm an ESTP, even though I spent months on ENTP-only forums with no one questioning it, and me feeling I found my tribe. So I stand my ground, ha (on top of multiple tests showing ENTP)

    ENTPs tend to be more playful than ENTJs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I bet you my Demonic Personality Complex Role function that you can't see the obvious similarities between Beebe's Trickster function and Socionics's PoLR, you Pathetic Hidden Agenda Intuitive.

    lol, the reign of the jargon has begun.
    Heh well I still don't like assumptions. If you meant it as a joke, all cool, if not, here's my reply to it below;

    I said "comparable", so your assumption of me being unable to see any similarity doesn't even follow from what I said

    And trust me, the mind is a lot more complex, not warranting the pigeonholing of everything about it into a few functions, assigning shit to the hidden agenda or whatever other functions.

    It's truly terrible how much will be missed by trying to analyse everything by a few simple categories.

    Tbh with you mentioning all that jargon, I see more similarity between the role and trickster functions than between role and demon. But I don't want to go into that, it'd be speculation that's all too fine-grained and yet very coarse at the same time. Better measure actual stuff before going into it this deep. Not going to happen.

    But, if you truly want to get into this topic on Beebe/whatnot, PM me, I don't want to go off topic here

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