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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Well, like this thread plainly displays, the determinants for type selection are often as varied as the individual.
    Indeed. At least I peresonally have been writing things down in text files to help me work-out the criteria of type as I understand. I think most people have something for less consistent, or even defined in the first place.
    (As a funny aside, I just thought about how doing so would probably be considered Ti. But I don't use that! No!)

    And Captain Chick, indeed, you must remember that someone can definitely use Fi to support something you totally disagree with. There's a similar occurence in the Enneagram. You know Ones are staunch about their beliefs, and usually frames things in some kind of ethic/honor system, right? Well, that may be true, but two different Ones can have dramatically opposed systems of belief. So they will both staunchly beat each other up over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Just an aside, but I would never take test results (online tests, most exspecially) as evidence of anything. I've scored all over the place on all kinds of tests. Unless it's an actual-factual MBTI sorter that you paid green money for, which I would consider to be marginally more accurate. And then only marginally. "Accurate" is just not a modifier I would attach to anything regarding measurement of MBTI.

    I know that. I was pointing out the fact that I have never, ever, gotten a change in results on that. My point can actually be used in conjuction with your post. Because other people go all over the place on certain functions, it makes me all the more confident that I'm T that my T has never changed.
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    Exactly!

    Now let's get back to BW's type.

    Since I don't feel like copying and pasting the stuff I'll just say:

    Some of the best examples of BW's Te use are in the graveyard thread "insipity of sensors".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe View Post
    ...And by the way, Kiddo is very obviously NOT an INFJ. He has one of the most obvious Fi-prefference of anyone on this forum--- a definate __FP type.
    What?

    Apparently it's not that obvious.

    I think there is some confusion here over what Fi can look like online in a series of posts, versus Ni+Fe. Also, I have no idea how strong Kiddo's Fi is; he wouldn't have to be INFP to have a developed Fi along with Ni+Fe.

    I remember him saying on another forum that he didn't understand why he got so angry. Inside he would not feel like he needed to say anything, it was sort of formless... but then someone would do something and he'd feel compelled to argue.

    I can't say that's Fi. It also sounds possibly Fe -- internally he's stable, externally if someone "breaks the rules," he goes ballistic even when he doesn't want to.

    In any case, it's interesting to consider... but I would not say that makes him an "obvious Fi."

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Very true. I think Jennifer has more posts than probably anyone....
    That must be because I'm a closet ESFP. Yeah. Uh huh.

    There's a lot more involved in post count than extroversion. Posting things online is not nearly the same as real life engagement -- it's this weird blend of "interaction" that is still detached from real engagement. And my posts aren't necessarily based on wanting to interact with others but could be just my own mind searching for ideas to analyze and spit out answers on (Ti) or ping around and play with (Ne) or compare to other ways of seeing (Ni) or determine the value of (F) based on consequences, or.... I mean, really, an online forum is a like a candy store for an introvert, who deals not with the "real object" but is always more interested in the subjective impression inside their own mind CREATED by the object.

    So quantity of engagement with the internalized IMPRESSION of the object is NOT the same as extroversion. Probably something for all of us to keep in mind.
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    You sometimes get that feeling too that there is an idea that is so clear and inherently factual ? Like MBTI i.e. you get so obsessed about and you dig soo deeply into it that you are about to forget where you started from ? That you have made the idea's own weird entanglements to a new point to start with about life. And furthermore you start to become the idea, with your own set of rules what makes you inconfusable different from anyone else, cause your starting points have started to overtake your own process of digging. That's the point when it needs someone to step up and take the lead, to start a World War !

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    I've moved some posts over to a new thread. Very mysterious. Almost spooky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I know that. I was pointing out the fact that I have never, ever, gotten a change in results on that. My point can actually be used in conjuction with your post. Because other people go all over the place on certain functions, it makes me all the more confident that I'm T that my T has never changed.
    What it confirms is that you highly value T traits (also confirmed by your strong reaction to your type being questioned) and, as such, answer that way on online tests. It doesn't necessarily confirm that you are T.

    Having said that, my general policy is to say something once and after that only reiterate it if asked, and to try and trust people's self-perceptions if they seem convicted of them.

    (I do want to underscore that F doesn't at all mean "emotional dummy with retarded logic skills," or I wouldn't call myself one. So I don't want you to take my questioning of your type as a pointed finger in any way.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    What it confirms is that you highly value T traits
    Ah! What an important thing to remember when considering one's cognitive function (and other test) results!

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    Seriously.
    I've been saying that for like a year now on this site.

    The tests don't work, 'cause people think things of themselves that aren't true.
    we fukin won boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Seriously.
    I've been saying that for like a year now on this site.

    The tests don't work, 'cause people think things of themselves that aren't true.
    i second that... i almost think that the MBTI tests should be vanquished in favor of function inventories....

    I thought of myself as an introvert for a while...until i was reminded by people WHO KNOW ME VERY WELL of certain things: the clean slate (younger me) and me when im actaully happy (not just the aggregate number of hours i spend acting ______ )...

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