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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Speaking as an ESTJ, I don't think he is one. Though I would be interested in hearing pro-SJ arguments that aren't just "he's traditional and therefore an SJ". Kind of sick of that argument tbh.
    I'm happy to hear you think I'm above that. Just sayin when I made that post I was more confident in 3w2 than I was in ESTJ. He's definitely ExTJ but I'll never buy him as an 8. But 8 is painted as a hypermasculine sort of type so I can see why he's attracted to the label. Actually almost everything he posts seems like either a flexing of his "admirable" personality qualities or his success. There's just a big disconnect in behavior and motivations between him and people I agree are ENTJ 8s like @Wind Up Rex or @andante (who appears to have left this forum without a word...if you ever see this andante I miss you ).

    Anyways for ESTJ...I think he prioritizes the implications behind past experiences and the "correct" way to do things. Like that thread he started asking how to propose to his girlfriend...he just seems to be a very protocol-oriented person. I know there can be traditional NTJs (like Kullervo even though he's convinced he's an INF 4) but he just doesn't strike me that way. Why do you think he's ENTJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    This is where ENTJs are different. ENTJs don't have strong Si. They just don't know what the norm is. Not observant enough (weak Si) to fit in either. They tend to offend people way more due to this and their interactions are mostly hit or miss. Disco is an ENTJ in that regard I think.
    You're saying Disco isn't aware of norms? After posting a thread about how much he enjoys gender roles and the benefits to him they have to offer? I think Disco's entire lifespan so far has been defined by fitting in. I really don't think all SJs try to fit into society at all, but I don't get where the idea of Disco not living a completely cookie-cutter lifestyle is coming from...because he does. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that but if I had to say what members here were most connected to and accepting of social norms DB would easily be #1.

    I think the SJ vibe people get from him is because he is a e3. That I think he is. I am willing to bet a lot that he is an E3.
    I don't think 3s give off a particularly SJ vibe. They don't always try to impress others by appearing traditionally impressive - 3s will be whatever 3s want to be. Disco probably just likes to impress others by appearing like a successful all-american boy...oh now I see what you're saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evee View Post
    Is it possible that @BadOctopus and @Starcrash are both ISFJ nines?
    It iz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    @Ene

    I'm not saying you're not a 9w8... but I AM saying that you are literally the only 9w8 on the forum whose 8 wing is invisible to me. I can see it simmering in @wolfy and @Starcrash, for example. But absolutely nothing from you. You vibe more like @uumlau and @gromit who IIRC are both 9w1.

    What made you self-type as 9w8?
    Actually, I can see myself smack dab in the middle more than anywhere else. I can see both in me, but I think it was the fact that while I am definitely unruffled on the surface, beneath I am a go-getter. I have a lot of grit and determination and before going into martial arts, I had a fiery temper that I usually denied. Now, I embrace it and channel it. I realize that it's okay to get angry, but that anger is a tool, not a master, if that makes sense.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    doesn't @Ene do a lot of martial arts and fighting type things, so maybe she channels her hulk rage into that. also i have never seen her be nitpicky but maybe i have and didn't realize it.
    Absolutely, prplchnz. Martial Arts has tamed me down a lot. Oh, and as for being nitpicky, I'm not. I don't sweat the small stuff.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ene View Post
    Actually, I can see myself smack dab in the middle more than anywhere else. I can see both in me, but I think it was the fact that while I am definitely unruffled on the surface, beneath I am a go-getter. I have a lot of grit and determination and before going into martial arts, I had a fiery temper that I usually denied. Now, I embrace it and channel it. I realize that it's okay to get angry, but that anger is a tool, not a master, if that makes sense.
    An argument is two people sharing their ignorance.

    A discussion is two people sharing their understanding, even when they disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    I'm not gonna @ him here because he won't listen to my opinions anyway but I think DiscoBiscuit is ESTJ 3w2
    I listen to lots of things, and people. I listen to NPR in the car as much as I listen to Hannity. But I listen to sports talk radio more than I listen to either.
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    Why am I not here? ESFP is a joke typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Invincible View Post
    Why am I not here? ESFP is a joke typing.
    >Says the guy with the clown avi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evee View Post
    >Says the guy with the clown avi.
    Oh, the irony!

    Joking aside, it symbolises how I am viewed in general. The outside (the clown paint), is how I am usually perceived, as my persona. The outgoing, happy clown. The expression is how I actually am. My hidden side. How deeply frustrated and angry I am with the world, and who I have become to the masses.

    To be fair, I would like to be more real. More raw. More honest with people. More serious and intimate, but too many people can't see past my shades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    I'm happy to hear you think I'm above that. Just sayin when I made that post I was more confident in 3w2 than I was in ESTJ. He's definitely ExTJ but I'll never buy him as an 8. But 8 is painted as a hypermasculine sort of type so I can see why he's attracted to the label. Actually almost everything he posts seems like either a flexing of his "admirable" personality qualities or his success. There's just a big disconnect in behavior and motivations between him and people I agree are ENTJ 8s like @<a href="http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/members/7254.html" target="_blank">Wind Up Rex</a> or @<a href="http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/members/10808.html" target="_blank">andante</a> (who appears to have left this forum without a word...if you ever see this andante I miss you ).

    Anyways for ESTJ...I think he prioritizes the implications behind past experiences and the "correct" way to do things. Like that thread he started asking how to propose to his girlfriend...he just seems to be a very protocol-oriented person. I know there can be traditional NTJs (like Kullervo even though he's convinced he's an INF 4) but he just doesn't strike me that way. Why do you think he's ENTJ?



    You're saying Disco isn't aware of norms? After posting a thread about how much he enjoys gender roles and the benefits to him they have to offer? I think Disco's entire lifespan so far has been defined by fitting in. I really don't think all SJs try to fit into society at all, but I don't get where the idea of Disco not living a completely cookie-cutter lifestyle is coming from...because he does. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that but if I had to say what members here were most connected to and accepting of social norms DB would easily be #1.



    I don't think 3s give off a particularly SJ vibe. They don't always try to impress others by appearing traditionally impressive - 3s will be whatever 3s want to be. Disco probably just likes to impress others by appearing like a successful all-american boy...oh now I see what you're saying.
    Where to begin... Do you know what it is to embody anger, to be angry all the time, while at the same time painfully aware and sensitive to social faux pas? (no to be misconstrued with my willingness to stir the pot here)

    I feel like a man pulled in two different directions, half of me wants nothing more than to be let off the leash to confront and best my enemies and obstacles, and the other half wants nothing more than for there to be harmony and for everyone to chill the fuck out. The defensive manner of some of my posts here (the flexing you refer to) has been a learned reaction to people shitting on things I hold dear, the way I've developed and the culture I come from. Anyone who remembers my early posts, knows that things were much different before nic, majic p, qreus et al. decided that roasting me was more fun than sex.

    I see through systems, and like to plan and strategize for their improvement and evolution. I like training and teaching others, something my current line of work is allowing me to do more and more. Yes I value success and think that mine validates my world view and cultural background to an extent, but I'm much more interested in the empire business than the money business to quote Walter White.



    I'm slow to anger, but tend to occasionally fly off the handle at little things. I would be the last man to ball my fists however, because I find it much more important to be justified in my actions than reveling in the wanton violence of action. To a certain extent much of my life has been about fitting in. Thats much of what my Iceman and the Child thread is about. The reason I mention tradition as much as I do is that I fear that much of the US populace is happy to throw out the baby with the bath water, and in the effort of purging us of the sins of the past is also more than happy to throw out much of what has made us the most successful species on this planet. Those traditions aren't a paradigm that I live within but an inchoate blueprint for where we can go in the future. Everything changes and evolves. I just want to make sure that we take the best aspects of civilization along with us, and don't think ourselves smarter than all men who have come before.

    I try to battle everyday to figure out what I believe about this world and what I think about the issues. Yes I use the lenses of past thinkers to begin my understanding of a topic, but I always try to evolve beyond rote agreement and to foster a unique individual view. I want to be a (perhaps very) small part of the conversation that leads mankind into the new century, and model my life around serving that purpose.

    My posts have become overly (maybe needlessly) truncated over the years because of the defensive crouch I felt some of the membership forced me into.

    If you really wanna know whats going on in my head you need only ask. I don't have as much time to respond as I used to, but I'll do my best to respond assuming I have the inclination and the energy to do so.

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