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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    The main difference between xxFPs & xxFJs is using Fi or Fe & using Pe or Pi. The rest depends on the individual type. There is a lot of info out there for you to research yourself.
    I've already done research and am still confused, especially because IxFJ and IxFP are both introverts. I don't know how the Fe would apply, and wonder if they are talking about ExFJ's... so that's why I looked up the communication styles you know? xxFJs and xxFPs. so far the ways they deal with conflict sound really, really similar... or they overlap with each other...

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    @OrangeAppled
    so far you have been very convincing. I forgot that enneagram 9 would make someone a mixture of j and p! I just have one final question

    SJ's are supposed to be the type that does well in school and everything like that. so is it possible to be an isfj and also dislike procedures like labs, have a hard time paying attention to class (like maybe falling asleep during a video presentation), and not be the best at following directions? and also be open to new experiences?

    oh sorry I forgot, I'm a guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Certainly not. He may be lacking in many respects, but he has taste.
    I followed these quotes back...for the sole reason of finding out who had sophisticated taste. *sigh*

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Suit yourself, I will retract my claim then. Though I will still ponder the situation in the back of my mind for the next few hours probably to see if there is anything I'm missing, for I sincerely believe you to be an INFJ, but at the same time, I realize that I am not the authority of your own personality.
    I agree with all of what you say above @Alea_iacta_est (wow underscores... ) most notably...that @Nights and Days is INFJ. He's also expecting this post as I’ve already mentioned it to him (?)

    I notice this with 3 & 9 as well but especially 6... 6w5 is one of those known *Ambivert-y* spots on the enneagram …so I/E lines are a bit blurry, yes…but they also appear to make an actual/measurable… more balanced ‘use’ of the functions <-and from what you have said I imagine it is this same phenomenon that gives me an ENTP e3ish vibe from you.

    These individuals are often bombarded with people wishing to retype them. And the internal experience of it all can also seem a little transient at times causing the individual to question as well. In my mind NaDs is a very straight-forward INFJ…still, I feel it would make an equal amount of sense if NaDs changed his MBTI and avatars together on the same schedule.



    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Actually, on this I'm very much open to suggestions, being new to socionics. So far people seem to consider me IEI, EIE, and oddly, INTJs in particular scream at me to be IEE so far...you know, the way that they do when they get all annoyed and stuff about you being wrong and them being right?
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    If you're talking socionics, then who knows...
    I actually just took this test...and somehow managed to close out the results window just as I was starting to view them. But I'm pretty sure it said I'm an INFp <-Their description didn't resonate with me at all but I'm nearly 100% certain that was the result it gave me.

    So here I come e4 and my new best friend OrangeAppled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    ISFJ. SiFe in MBTI/Jungian theory.

    Review Van Der Hoop's descriptions of Si & Fi - less dense than Jung's.
    Your description of your childhood self in another post sounds Si-dom.
    I was thinking about @badatlife today while at work, and I started to think perhaps ISFP or ISFJ rather than INFP/J.

    I'm not saying sensors aren't interested in the functions, but the flat out refusal to delve into that theory struck me as slightly out-of-character for an iNtuitive. I'm not at all trying to say Sensors are shallow in that regard, but it reminded me a bit of when I've tried to discuss the functions with my ISFP wife and my ISFJ mother. Both are very fascinated in MBTI types--to an extent--they have little patience for the functions, and I think that, quite frankly, they don't want to be bothered with learning about functions that can't even be proven to exist.

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    Thanks @Starry.

    I don't know why I let myself get so confused here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badatlife View Post
    oh! I do have a question now (anyone feel free to answer). how would you differentiate between an xxfp and an xxfj? what are the main differences and tell tale signs when they interact with others?

    personally p is starting to make a lot more sense for me. I could have been influenced by my ESFJ mom who panics if we aren't at least 10 minutes early to stuff by nature I've always been flexible and adaptable, and I'm wondering if my organization (it was all purely physical) was for the aesthetics, not because I needed it? I remember hating to use calendars and I don't really remember planning things in advance. I bring check lists to the grocery store so I don't forget what items to get and like to check them off, but I also end up buying new things along the way... I also showed up to my middle school graduation in shorts and a t shirt when everyone else wore suits (that did not end well). I had trouble showing my work on math tests in a step by step fashion. oh and I would not be task focused in class, although its possible for me to be!

    if I could still like be a j though, let me know too. I'm in no rush :P
    anyway honestly going to have to say no thank you to the cognitive functions! if you really want to know though, most people irl have told me I am an Fi dominant, but that's already confusing haha... see there's another person who confused me for a thinker. I also confused myself for a thinker at first, but now it's pretty obvious that I'm a feeler with the values and appreciation and all that. I'm pretty sure the letters are supposed to match up with the cognitive functions too right?
    I could buy isfp 9w8. Especially 9. Your thinking seems very fuzzy and meandering (Not to be mean, just trying to give you my honest impression).

    I think you just need to dig a little deeper, read a little more, and strain your brain. You'll get there, when I first showed up here I was still relying on the crappy online profiles and Keirsey books. Learn the functions inside and out.

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    @Starry

    I'm glad that you agree with my aforementioned posts.

    In response to the ENTP 3 vibe, I have typed as ENTP and as a Type 3 once before, but I soon realized that I do not possess the character of the 3 in regards to the work ethic, desire for attention, and striving work ethic (though I do possess a fear of failure, but that is more akin to the failure of being defeated). If I were an ENTP (which, considering now that I have people lining up to tell me that I'm a Te-dom and the fact that I am a definite Ni user, is more doubtful), I would probably be an ENTP sx 4 due to the subsequent hot-cold desire for attention yet at the same time need for isolation and protective shadows (though it would be an interesting tangent, for Ne + 4's identity search would probably lead to balanced use of function attitudes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    Thanks @Starry.

    I don't know why I let myself get so confused here.
    I don't know why I just wrote "I'm pretty" instead of "I'm pretty sure..." umm (I want so badly to have taste...and thank you for not quoting me.)

    I've only seen one (one, singular) eNFJ that understood all of this about himself. Everyone else...and I've seen a few now...has done the exact same thing. It is confusing. And as I think you know I also had my sister typed as an ENFP so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    I actually just took this test...and somehow managed to close out the results window just as I was starting to view them. But I'm pretty sure it said I'm an INFp <-Their description didn't resonate with me at all but I'm nearly 100% certain that was the result it gave me.

    So here I come e4 and my new best friend OrangeAppled.
    Eh, is OrangeAppled, not going to be INFj in socionics? I'm pretty sure she is going to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyedecker View Post
    I was thinking about @badatlife today while at work, and I started to think perhaps ISFP or ISFJ rather than INFP/J.

    I'm not saying sensors aren't interested in the functions, but the flat out refusal to delve into that theory struck me as slightly out-of-character for an iNtuitive. I'm not at all trying to say Sensors are shallow in that regard, but it reminded me a bit of when I've tried to discuss the functions with my ISFP wife and my ISFJ mother. Both are very fascinated in MBTI types--to an extent--they have little patience for the functions, and I think that, quite frankly, they don't want to be bothered with learning about functions that can't even be proven to exist.
    no, I actually used to go by the function theory and read all about it and researched it, followed it, etc. it's only now I've made the choice to go by letters instead. I had my reasoning for it laid out... the mbti types were created with the letters in mind, not functions. the functions just add another level in it. I mean people who go by the letters end up agreeing with their type anyway. there's nothing wrong with the mbti (it's a popular theory and has its own official test), although functions are another level deeper but were never meant to go with the types... pretty much separate theories, even if types were meant to follow functions

    also I have been thinking about it and I don't like the reasoning for isfj. again it goes by Si, because I used past experiences. but that's only because I'm forced to... I'm trying to see how I've been all my life. there's no other way to do that unless I recall past experience. and it seems fishy that it would make me si...

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