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    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    In my books, he is ENTP.
    Who, me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Who, me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    In my books, he is ENTP.
    Yes, because I'm clearly an Ne dom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    Yes, because I'm clearly an Ne dom.
    I think you'd make a splendid ENTP. XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    Yes, because I'm clearly an Ne dom.
    You thought you were ENFP at some point bub, do your dirty laundry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I think you'd make a splendid ENTP. XD
    Yeah, probably. It would take too much energy though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    You thought you were ENFP at some point bub, do your dirty laundry.
    Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    Yeah, probably. It would take too much energy though.
    That's the spirit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    1. You guys win in the real world, at least leave us the comfort of being kings and queens in the realm of logic! And well-functioning Ni can also be intimidating.
    2. Not sure if RW is representative as he's a special case.
    I agree. I am far more intimidated by INTJs than by INTPs. I rather enjoy debating INTPs and to some extent ENTPs because their style of debate tends to be very polite and conversational. I'm not saying INTJs are mean or less cordial or that NTPs can't be brutal, but INTJs tend not to waste time or words with too many platitudes; they also don't seem to second guess themselves...if they know they are right (or at least they think they know they are right) they go in for the kill, whereas an INTP will step back and consider their opponent's point of view and second guess himself/herself. I think such second guessing gives the (false) impression that the INTP is perhaps unsure of himself/herself or not wholly convinced of their own argument's validity, thus blood is in the water, which the opponent smells.

    I might add that INFJs can also be intimidating, although perhaps for different reasons I don't want to get into at the moment.


    That's not to say INTPs can't be excellent debaters.

    I found this video linked at Celebtypes and it's amusing to watch the way two INTPs (yes, I agree with their assessment of Ben Stein as an INTP) debate one another. Each of them basically tries to trip the other one up by asking what might be considered "gotcha" questions to show fallacies in their opponent's logic. That style of repeatedly questioning one's opponent can be highly effective. I wouldn't dare put myself on the same level as Stein or Dawkins, but I've noticed that this is something I tend to quite often and naturally in "real world" situations, something I did long before I typed INTP, and it can be quite frustrating to other people. It's a surefire way to make my father red in the face. I don't usually do this with that goal in mind, so when people react with anger or frustration, it always confounds me. It was largely because of this that I was the bane of many teachers' existence throughout my years in school.



    Anyway, sorry if I went too off topic with this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    In my books, he is ENTP.
    No. I don't see it, at all. Please elaborate why and/or how you see Nights being a Ne dom..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyedecker View Post
    I agree. I am far more intimidated by INTJs than by INTPs. I rather enjoy debating INTPs and to some extent ENTPs because their style of debate tends to be very polite and conversational. I'm not saying INTJs are mean or less cordial or that NTPs can't be brutal, but INTJs tend not to waste time or words with too many platitudes; they also don't seem to second guess themselves...if they know they are right (or at least they think they know they are right) they go in for the kill, whereas an INTP will step back and consider their opponent's point of view and second guess himself/herself. I think such second guessing gives the (false) impression that the INTP is perhaps unsure of himself/herself or not wholly convinced of their own argument's validity, thus blood is in the water, which the opponent smells.

    I might add that INFJs can also be intimidating, although perhaps for different reasons I don't want to get into at the moment.


    That's not to say INTPs can't be excellent debaters.

    I found this video linked at Celebtypes and it's amusing to watch the way two INTPs (yes, I agree with their assessment of Ben Stein as an INTP) debate one another. Each of them basically tries to trip the other one up by asking what could almost be considered "gotcha" questions to show fallacies in their opponent's logic. That style of repeatedly questioning one's opponent can be highly effective. I wouldn't dare put myself on the same level as Stein or Dawkins, but I've noticed that this is something I tend to quite often and naturally in "real world" situations, something I did long before I typed INTP, and it can be quite frustrating to other people. It's a surefire way to make my father red in the face. I don't usually do this with that goal in mind, so when people react with anger or frustration, it always confounds me. It was largely because of this that I was the bane of many teachers' existence during my early years.



    Anyway, sorry if I went too off topic with this post.
    Enjoyed the video, and I concur with your analysis of the INTP and INTJ styles.

    Had I been Dawkins in the video, I would have probably taken a much more aggressive stance and hammer in some ideologies being perfected now that suggest a cyclical universe over one that has a beginning, thus eradicating the whole concept of the beginning in the first place. Specifically, I would have honed in on Ben Stein's quote of "8 billion people" and put that in relation to his own question requiring specificity from Dawkins in the percentages and shown that Ben Stein's figure was, in fact, wrong, as well, just as a sort of treatise (Te attack, requiring objective statistical data?) to deflate the aggressive posture presented by Stein. The INTP method seems to be a bit more laid-back and a tad more open minded.

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