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    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
    I'm new to the site, though some may know me from PerC. I don't know MBTI/Jung/Socionics well enough to comment confidently on anyone's type, but I'm curious what people make of mine. Feel free to let me know any observations as they pop up. Whether I agree or not, this process may help me to figure out different angles in terms of assessing others, and if that is the case, I may contribute my opinions in the future.
    I think everything else is fine, but I see you as head last with a 3w4 fix over a 4w3 fix. The 3 influence is quite strong in you, and a lot of the competent vibes you give off or the statements you make seem like that of a 3w4 fixer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faceless Beauty View Post
    I think everything else is fine, but I see you as head last with a 3w4 fix over a 4w3 fix. The 3 influence is quite strong in you, and a lot of the competent vibes you give off or the statements you make seem like that of a 3w4 fixer.
    Interesting. I had that typing for a short time (8wX-3w4-5w6)... I can definitely see an argument for it. Feel free to point out anything you want if it would make a case. I went with the 4-fix because of *very very 4ish* stuff in my past which I related to in Naranjo - stuff so deep that I even said "wait, could I be a core 4?" haha.. and his 3 description didn't really suit me on a deep level... but I relate to many other type 3 descriptions more than 4 descriptions. Open to all opinions or observations.

    By the way, I see you returned to your 9w8 typing, and I think that is accurate for you. Not sure if I have 'solid evidence' but it always felt right to me. The rest of your current tri-type feels accurate to me as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
    Interesting. I had that typing for a short time (8wX-3w4-5w6)... I can definitely see an argument for it. Feel free to point out anything you want if it would make a case. I went with the 4-fix because of *very very 4ish* stuff in my past which I related to in Naranjo - stuff so deep that I even said "wait, could I be a core 4?" haha.. and his 3 description didn't really suit me on a deep level... but I relate to many other type 3 descriptions more than 4 descriptions. Open to all opinions or observations.

    By the way, I see you returned to your 9w8 typing, and I think that is accurate for you. Not sure if I have 'solid evidence' but it always felt right to me. The rest of your current tri-type feels accurate to me as well.
    I think that if you identified with something written by Naranjo on a deep level and because of things in the past, then maybe 4w3 is a better fit. :P I can't really say because a lot of the aspects of 3 that you relate to just might be surface attributes that most others are seeing.

    And 9w8 works in it's own little way I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-Up Rex View Post
    This is where you and I appear to part ways. First of all, all kinds of types read for all kinds of reasons, and as far as that goes Te-doms are not exactly the end all be all. As an Te-dom, I’m kinda like a Navy Seal when it comes to books—I get in, obtain what knowledge I’m looking for, and I get out whether the book’s over or not. I’m looking for enough information to generate a sufficient theoretical understanding to act on what I know, because I know that whatever Ni model I’m working with is ultimately gonna be retooled the moment that it touches the ground. Thus it’s as good of a use of my time to obtain my knowledge through direct experience (says tert Se), as it is through theoretical understanding of a concept. This is especially true given that I know I can fairly capably translate those Se data points back into abstract principles as valid as what any expert can come up with. This is a rough description of how an ENTJ builds competence.

    I quoted the word "readers" so I would not lock myself into the thought that they are strictly readers of books, they are readers of reality in general. They are mechanizations of thought, highly cause-and-effect oriented, knowing many things have underlying principles and contexts. I believe this is what draws them to politics, social injustice and other subjects full of high dynamic ranges.


    I'd planned on looking up threads started by TJ's to show some veracity to my claims but I'm far too lazy. Essentially, I've noticed TJ's on a much larger margin start topics and threads pieced around other's observations or studies. Appeal to information is highly prevalent.


    Now, everything that you’ve just described in the above sounds to me like it has a lot to do with Si/Ne and less to do with Te. Especially the use of the database. Coincidently, that aligns fairly well with my experience of people who are the bonafied book worm sort. They are generally NPs or SJs. I add as a caveat that INTJs can be fairly high bandwidth in their own right (i.e., prone to seeking and capable of assimilating a high density of information), but my understanding is that it’s a different kind of exercise for them. Seeking out a signal in the noise until they can edge around their Se issues and test the validity of their models practically.

    I’m digressing a bit, but the point remains the same—the whole concept of “databasing” and the need for such is fundamentally Si. Si needs that database because one of its primary functions is as a mapping tool. It builds static internal representations that advance only through processing data and adding it on to the existing edifice. The implication of that is that Si has a very precise understanding of the proper place of things. You move one thing and they know their grid has been altered, which I understand to be a very unsettling experience for an Si-user. They generally do their damndest to “make things right” (aka restore the status quo that they’re familiar with), because it takes some time and processing for them to fabricate a new grid.


    Anyways, I’ve taken a long walk to make the point that for reasons grounded pretty substantially in the theory of the functions, extreme “bookishness” would correlate more with an Si-preference than a Te-preference. An ENTJ is going to use a book as a starting point, or as a support for our own ideas. We’re not so slavishly attached to this school of thought or that author or whatever the fuck because at the end of the day who fucking cares? Appeals to authority mean nothing to me, and people who constantly do that kind of shit just look like jackasses. You wanna show me something, then show me that you can dance with me. Someone who shows themselves not only incapable of dealing in the moment, but tries to make those that do feel foolish is behaving in a way so alien to me that one of us has clearly misidentified ourselves. I mean just look at the nature of the conversation that we’re having right now. If people who were of very diverse perspectives were all telling me something, I’d at least have to slow my roll and assess the validity of the claim. And if I did opt to dismiss it, I’d set about undercutting the validity of the content of the claim, rather than the person that claim originated from. Unless they’re already deep in the grip of Fi, no ENTJ is gonna make a difference of opinion personal in that way.

    Yeah, that's about my perception of Si/Ne vs Se/Ni in general. It just sounds so unappealing, I've been trying to establish paradigms that kind of pull away from 'traditional' MBTI thought. I guess it's moot if the shoe fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faceless Beauty View Post
    I think that if you identified with something written by Naranjo on a deep level and because of things in the past, then maybe 4w3 is a better fit. :P I can't really say because a lot of the aspects of 3 that you relate to just might be surface attributes that most others are seeing.

    And 9w8 works in it's own little way I suppose.
    Haha yeah.. I know I "seem" very 3 or 3-fixed, and also, I know that sometimes things really ARE that obvious, so I am open to hear impressions. But I guess until something punches me in the gut the way Naranjo's 8, 5, and 4 did, I'd have to hear a *really convincing argument* to reconsider my tritype =,) But, still, it's cool to hear how I come off or what people might observe about me that I fail to notice from inside. There can be merit to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
    Haha yeah.. I know I "seem" very 3 or 3-fixed, and also, I know that sometimes things really ARE that obvious, so I am open to hear impressions. But I guess until something punches me in the gut the way Naranjo's 8, 5, and 4 did, I'd have to hear a *really convincing argument* to reconsider my tritype =,) But, still, it's cool to hear how I come off or what people might observe about me that I fail to notice from inside. There can be merit to it.

    Are you still not sure about your type?
    I am not sure about my head fix, my instincts, and my MBTI type, but that's about it. :P
    9w8 works because I read more about 9s indolence, which I really see in myself a lot more than 6s need to know that "the ground won't cave in under their feet" so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faceless Beauty View Post
    I am not sure about my head fix, my instincts, and my MBTI type, but that's about it. :P
    9w8 works because I read more about 9s indolence, which I really see in myself a lot more than 6s need to know that "the ground won't cave in under their feet" so to speak.
    Makes sense. I'll let you know if I think of anything. =) I'm about to look into Naranjo's book on instincts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
    Makes sense. I'll let you know if I think of anything. =) I'm about to look into Naranjo's book on instincts.
    I've read through types 1 and 6 so far, and I know that type 1 is definitely not me for a fact in his Character and neurosis, haha.

    What book is that? I should look into it sometime.
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    Exactly what I was thinking: I also think I'm Sp/sx. I've noticed that Sp/sx people with strong Fe can easily look like they are a social variant first. Good examples are Hugh Hefner and George Clooney.

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    Hey! I just found this thread.
    I don't think I'm mistyped, but opinions never hurt.

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