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I'm fucking with you, I think you're one of the most INFJest INFJs that ever INFJed on these forums.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, I know ENFJ was flattering. You do come across as outgoing and friendly, but this is the internet.

I think I have a very, very good idea of how you vibe IRL, because you're similar to me at least as far as both of us being people who need a lot of introversion.

You love to venture out into the world, maybe go to music stores and stuff (the type of places that have lots of people but with far less 'mandatory' interaction)--sometimes that's enough exposure for you, even though I bet you go home and get a little sad you didn't jump into an interesting conversation you overheard between two strangers or didn't talk to the cute girl you're sure smiled at you because you didn't want to come across as an overbearing brute, or despite being a good reader of people, you had a doubt that she was not interested and was only being polite--maybe at the time you imagined a potential interaction that became a drawn out fantasy (in the span of a few minutes while waiting in line at the coffee shop), only to leave without saying a single word to her. Amirite, or way off mark? BTW those little fantasy future scenarios...they just happen and you can't really help when they come and go, right? you're usually two steps ahead (or behind) the present moment, and this is an almost perpetual feeling for you, like you live on a slightly different phase of time or at least experience time differently than most people experience it....

speculation... It's not that you're socially awkward, you;re actually quite charming and polite in your own subdued way, but you have a certain 'inner' awkwardness that can sometimes make it very difficult for you to be as outgoing as you might like.

You're a people watcher who both loves and loathes the distance you keep from others. You want to be in the midst of everyone and everything but you know you need to stay more to the edge most of the time.

Since we have been debating together a lot and have come across one another a lot latelty would you say i am correctly typed or is another type possible?
 

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I'm fucking with you, I think you're one of the most INFJest INFJs that ever INFJed on these forums.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, I know ENFJ was flattering. You do come across as outgoing and friendly, but this is the internet.

I think I have a very, very good idea of how you vibe IRL, because you're similar to me at least as far as both of us being people who need a lot of introversion.

You love to venture out into the world, maybe go to music stores and stuff (the type of places that have lots of people but with far less 'mandatory' interaction)--sometimes that's enough exposure for you, even though I bet you go home and get a little sad you didn't jump into an interesting conversation you overheard between two strangers or didn't talk to the cute girl you're sure smiled at you because you didn't want to come across as an overbearing brute, or despite being a good reader of people, you had a doubt that she was not interested and was only being polite--maybe at the time you projected a potential interaction that became a drawn out fantasy (in the span of a few minutes while waiting in line at the coffee shop), only to leave without saying a single word to her. Amirite, or way off mark?

speculation... It's not that you're socially awkward, you;re actually quite charming and polite in your own subdued way, but you have a certain 'inner' awkwardness that can sometimes make it very difficult for you to be as outgoing as you might like.

You're a people watcher who both loves and loathes the distance you keep from others. You want to be in the midst of everyone and everything but you know you need to stay more to the edge most of the time.

I love this. I posted a thread a while back about how to describe someone in words, and I mentioned that I personally find it damn near impossible since I find words alone to lack the essence, the entirety that I see in that person. What you have written here, is, I feel, the answer to that thread. While reading this post, I got this imagery of [MENTION=19719]Forever[/MENTION] and almost felt as though I was truly "seeing" him for the first time.
 

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I love this. I posted a thread a while back about how to describe someone in words, and I mentioned that I personally find it damn near impossible since I find words alone to lack the essence, the entirety that I see in that person. What you have written here, is, I feel, the answer to that thread. While reading this post, I got this imagery of [MENTION=19719]Forever[/MENTION] and almost felt as though I was truly "seeing" him for the first time.

I don't know if it's an accurate portrayal of him, so I don't want to give you the false idea of him. He'll have to confirm or reject my description as it was based in vibe reading and speculation.
 

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So after reading my own post in response to [MENTION=19700]Anaximander[/MENTION], I realized something. I literally "feel" people through my emotions. Meaning, that is EXACTLY why I have such a hard time describing people, because how I know and see them, comes from my Fi, and like Ni, good luck trying to convey that!

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I don't know if it's an accurate portrayal of him, so I don't want to give you the false idea of him. He'll have to confirm or reject my description as it was based in vibe reading and speculation.

True true, but nevertheless, you led me to a personal incite. And for that, I thank you :)
 

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Sure go for it. Just dont jibe me or anything :D

I haven't known you as long as [MENTION=19719]Forever[/MENTION] but I'll do my best.

You're an exploratory thinker, aka a conceptualist who plays with ideas and potential could-bes and what-ifs all day. Some of that is based on your posts, some of it comes from a general vibe.

I said in a different thread I thought you valued your mind as your center and best asset, but you also feel a bit of a disconnect from the 'physical' world. It's fairly obvious from your username and avatar.

You're smart, and you know it, but you will also talk to anyone from any walk of life if you feel they have interesting things to discuss, because you worship or value ideas far more than you value people. Sure, I mean you care about people, but they're ultimately conduits or sounding boards to run your own ideas by, and you're willing to modify your ideas if someone else makes you think of a facet or caveat you overlooked.

You can come across to others as short-attention spanned, so sometimes people might think you're a "flake" before getting to know you better.

You are the type who argues with or is at least tempted to argue with your teachers/professors. You don't see it as arguing all the time, you see it as discussing and refining ideas, but other people who aren't used to it might initially feel like you are being combative. Nope, you still want to get along with everyone and it's never personal when you argue, no matter how heated.

A lot of this is sounding like basic ENTP descriptions, but it is very much the vibe I get. So, as for ESFJ vs ENTP, either can come across as "idea people" and "people people" but ENTPs are primarily idea people who like people while ESFJs are primarily people people who like ideas. You vibe a bit more as an idea person who likes people, so I would stick to an ENTP typing for now.
 

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I haven't known you as long as [MENTION=19719]Forever[/MENTION] but I'll do my best.

You're an exploratory thinker, aka a conceptualist who plays with ideas and potential could-bes and what-ifs all day. Some of that is based on your posts, some of it comes from a general vibe.

I said in a different thread I thought you valued your mind as your center and best asset, but you also feel a bit of a disconnect from the 'physical' world. It's fairly obvious from your username and avatar.

You're smart, and you know it, but you will also talk to anyone from any walk of life if you feel they have interesting things to discuss, because you worship or value ideas far more than you value people. Sure, I mean you care about people, but they're ultimately conduits or sounding boards to run your own ideas by, and you're willing to modify your ideas if someone else makes you think of a facet or caveat you overlooked.

You can come across to others as short-attention spanned, so sometimes people might think you're a "flake" before getting to know you better.

You are the type who argues with or is at least tempted to argue with your teachers/professors. You don't see it as arguing all the time, you see it as discussing and refining ideas, but other people who aren't used to it might initially feel like you are being combative. Nope, you still want to get along with everyone and it's never personal when you argue, no matter how heated.

A lot of this is sounding like basic ENTP descriptions, but it is very much the vibe I get.

You just stalked me and put me on the net :D. I loved arguing about topics such as "Should we sterlize third world people to prevent overpopulation and put them back under European control and should we breed clones just to farm the organs and use them as cannon fodder" to both explore the exciting ideas and to troll ;). (I am more sensitive those days though damn you Fe). I also feel detached from the physical world and it is like i am experiencing 1 second lag in a video game. I do come acorss as a flake but i am like the Jokers knife (It may look like a funny and whimsical joke but the sharp edge is real). I care about people so i could debate and use them to bounce ideas around with true caring being second. (You seem very good at reading people :happy2:)
 

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You just stalked me and put me on the net :D. I loved arguing about topics such as "Should we sterlize third world people to prevent overpopulation and put them back under European control and should we breed clones just to farm the organs and use them as cannon fodder" to both explore the exciting ideas and to troll ;). (I am more sensitive those days though damn you Fe). I also feel detached from the physical world and it is like i am experiencing 1 second lag in a video game. I do come acorss as a flake but i am like the Jokers knife (It may look like a funny and whimsical joke but the sharp edge is real). I care about people so i could debate and use them to bounce ideas around with true caring being second. (You seem very good at reading people :happy2:)

Yes, I think that lag is similar to the Ni phase-shift. I think NPs feel that lag acutely. NJs on the other hand feel like the rest of the world lags slightly behind them. Or not, I don't know what NJs experience, I just know Ni is weird like that.
 

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Yes, I think that lag is similar to the Ni phase-shift. I think NPs feel that lag acutely. NJs on the other hand feel like the rest of the world lags slightly behind them. Or not, I don't know what NJs experience, I just know Ni is weird like that.

Id explain NP lag as being like having a really bad RAM but a decent hard drive as my RAM is really poor (Lack of Se) but i do seem have a Si hard drive up there even though it is not as good as a xSxJ or INxP type. Speaking of lag did you know the universe experiences lag and that aldrin and armstrong actully experienced 1.3 seconds of lag due to light traveling that distance in that time.
 

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Id explain NP lag as being like having a really bad RAM but a decent hard drive as my RAM is really poor (Lack of Se) but i do seem have a Si hard drive up there even though it is not as good as a xSxJ or INxP type. Speaking of lag did you know the universe experiences lag and that aldrin and armstrong actully experienced 1.3 seconds of lag due to light traveling that distance in that time.

Yes, I am fascinated by time. I know it's just an abstract attempt to understand the universe and order events, but it's interesting how time is affected by gravity and shit. You age at a different rate depending on how close you are to the Earth's core. Wasn't aware of Aldrin and Armstrong experiencing lag. Cool!
 

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Yes, I am fascinated by time. I know it's just an abstract attempt to understand the universe and order events, but it's interesting how time is affected by gravity and shit. You age at a different rate depending on how close you are to the Earth's core. Wasn't aware of Aldrin and Armstrong experiencing lag. Cool!

Hey did you know that in Star Wars Luke could meet Anakin if he went to say that Lava planet from say Tattoie assuming they are 15 light years and watch them duel. If you think about it Star Wars is full of lag and dispartate timelines.
 

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Hey did you know that in Star Wars Luke could meet Anakin if he went to say that Lava planet from say Tattoie assuming they are 15 light years and watch them duel. If you think about it Star Wars is full of lag and dispartate timelines.

Yeah, Star Wars is a mess if you try to make sense of it.

Maybe hyperdrive technology somehow compensates but wouldn't there still be some crazy differentials or lag based on various worlds' gravity?

That's another thing, every SW planet seems to have Earthlike gravity or 1G.

And the death star is apparently designed with levels from pole to pole (I saw it in an old SW tech manual) rather than being designed with the levels going from center to outside...it must be a crazy power expenditure to manufacture all that artificial gravity. Assuming the levels were instead going from center to outside, gravity would also vary the further down you went inside the death star. The whole thing seems silly, like it should instead be mostly automated with a very very small crew controlling it from a protected, central position inside, then they wouldn't need to waste power and resources on creating gravity and life support for a massive crew. Makes more sense to keep all the troopers and high ranking personnell on star destroyer escorts than on the actual station.
 

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Yeah, Star Wars is a mess if you try to make sense of it.

Maybe hyperdrive technology somehow compensates but wouldn't there still be some crazy differentials or lag based on various worlds' gravity?

That's another thing, every SW planet seems to have Earthlike gravity or 1G.

And the death star is apparently designed with levels from pole to pole (I saw it in an old SW tech manual) rather than being designed with the levels going from center to outside...it must be a crazy power expenditure to manufacture all that artificial gravity. Assuming the levels were instead going from center to outside, gravity would also vary the further down you went inside the death star. The whole thing seems silly, like it should instead be mostly automated with a very very small crew controlling it from a protected, central position inside, then they wouldn't need to waste power and resources on creating gravity and life support for a massive crew. Makes more sense to keep all the troopers and high ranking personnell on star destroyer escorts than on the actual station.

Intresting about the Death Star. It doesn't seem that big so they probably would need artificial gravity as a body that size you could jump and float into space. Plus the Empire really put all their eggs in one basket there (I know only one big egg but still). i think that the Death Star as far as i know is only 1% of it where the people can go and the other 99% machinery and shit so in other words despite being awesome it isnt very effective.

Speaking of gravity it seems most have at least a close Earth like gravity but there is a theory that Jar Jar Binks is a sith lord (I dissused this with another member) and one of the evidence is that he jumps 15 feet in the air like in the video below.


Now there are three possbillites (Naboo is a low gravity world, his species has good jumping abillty or he is a force user). I think personally he is a Sith lord as i can sense there is far more to him than meets the eye. Anyway a spieces from a high gravity world would most likely be scared of falling and good luck evolving flying while low gravity worlds would likely have a more "floaty" thing to it.
 

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Intresting about the Death Star. It doesn't seem that big so they probably would need artificial gravity as a body that size you could jump and float into space. Plus the Empire really put all their eggs in one basket there (I know only one big egg but still). i think that the Death Star as far as i know is only 1% of it where the people can go and the other 99% machinery and shit so in other words despite being awesome it isnt very effective.

Speaking of gravity it seems most have at least a close Earth like gravity but there is a theory that Jar Jar Binks is a sith lord (I dissused this with another member) and one of the evidence is that he jumps 15 feet in the air like in the video below.


Now there are three possbillites (Naboo is a low gravity world, his species has good jumping abillty or he is a force user). I think personally he is a Sith lord as i can sense there is far more to him than meets the eye. Anyway a spieces from a high gravity world would most likely be scared of falling and good luck evolving flying while low gravity worlds would likely have a more "floaty" thing to it.

I thought that theory was stupid until I looked into it, and now I think Lucas may have fucked up by caving in to fans and minimizing Jar Jar.

So was Jar Jar Palpatine's real master?


People are also speculating that Snoke is Darth Plagueis
 

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I'm fucking with you, I think you're one of the most INFJest INFJs that ever INFJed on these forums.

:)

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, I know ENFJ was flattering. You do come across as outgoing and friendly, but this is the internet.

I think I have a very, very good idea of how you vibe IRL, because you're similar to me at least as far as both of us being people who need a lot of introversion.

You love to venture out into the world, maybe go to music stores and stuff (the type of places that have lots of people but with far less 'mandatory' interaction)--sometimes that's enough exposure for you, even though I bet you go home and get a little sad you didn't jump into an interesting conversation you overheard between two strangers or didn't talk to the cute girl you're sure smiled at you because you didn't want to come across as an overbearing brute, or despite being a good reader of people, you had a doubt that she was not interested and was only being polite--maybe at the time you imagined a potential interaction that became a drawn out fantasy (in the span of a few minutes while waiting in line at the coffee shop), only to leave without saying a single word to her. Amirite, or way off mark? BTW those little fantasy future scenarios...they just happen and you can't really help when they come and go, right? you're usually two steps ahead (or behind) the present moment, and this is an almost perpetual feeling for you, like you live on a slightly different phase of time or at least experience time differently than most people experience it....

It's happened a lot less now, but yes that's generally true. What's more uncontrollable are the feelings I experience. I know it because whenever I try to recreate the same feeling, it doesn't come as intense or even happen. I know the unconscious can be there for me, but I have to be an active force and in good interaction with my environment. People cannot call it upon will no matter how pronounced your Ni is. Because Ni doesn't work that way. I sometimes wished it did so I could get myself on the right track all the time. Ni is like something to constantly watch out and I am so used to it, sometimes I just don't recognize that I've been receiving a long stream of insights and then trying to recall it is like recalling a dream. Yes time is very weird for me. Right now time feels a lot shorter than it ever did. No one my age really complains about time if it's anything other than homework. Yeah ahead on some things, behind on some. The inconsistency is annoying.

speculation... It's not that you're socially awkward, you;re actually quite charming and polite in your own subdued way, but you have a certain 'inner' awkwardness that can sometimes make it very difficult for you to be as outgoing as you might like.

That inner awkwardness combined with feeling other's anxiety doesn't help. My father for example is very anxious in public and will try to keep telling me pointless things for him as a coping mechanism. I know it's only a mechanism because if I try the same thing with him in a situation where he isn't anxious, he hardly ever talks to me. For a large part of my life, I've been much of an independent psychologist. But mainstream psychology doesn't always want to line up with what I observe, partially because not everyone is like me. :laugh:

You're a people watcher who both loves and loathes the distance you keep from others. You want to be in the midst of everyone and everything but you know you need to stay more to the edge most of the time.

Yeah there are some times I go gung-ho but only mess up what I might miss out if I had not interacted with it. Very frustrating.

EDIT: this is all vibe-reading and guesswork on my part. Please correct me or tell me to fuck off if it bothers you.
No, a lot of it is vague enough I couldn't really do so. Which is fine, of course.
 

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I love this. I posted a thread a while back about how to describe someone in words, and I mentioned that I personally find it damn near impossible since I find words alone to lack the essence, the entirety that I see in that person. What you have written here, is, I feel, the answer to that thread. While reading this post, I got this imagery of [MENTION=19719]Forever[/MENTION] and almost felt as though I was truly "seeing" him for the first time.

What made it hard to see me before?
 

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I thought that theory was stupid until I looked into it, and now I think Lucas may have fucked up by caving in to fans and minimizing Jar Jar.

So was Jar Jar Palpatine's real master?


People are also speculating that Snoke is Darth Plagueis

Ive heard of that theory. One i have come with myself is that Palatine is Anakins father. Think about it. He brags to Anakin about being able to create life with the force at the opera and he seemed to be trying to implicate to Anakin it was him who created him. Plus Palps seemed to be expecting Anakin when they first meet almost as if to say "I have a plan for you".

Speaking of snoke it is very well possible he may be Plaueis as those dasdarlty sith lords have a way of coming back from the dead. I would love it if it was Jar Jar though behind the scenes. They should make another film around Jar Jar and the sinister plots behind that goofy and annoying exterior :happy2:. I swear that he force tricked the senate into accepting Palatines emergency measures. I also have a theory that Anakin is a date rapist as he probably used the force somehow to force trick Padme into loving him as it seems that she was creeped out at ifrst but they really fell in love about the time he started using his force a lot. Padme even asks Ani if he is using the trick on her to make her love him.
 

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What made it hard to see me before?

You put forth a lot of "Se". It's super distracting for me haha.

It reveals some of your insecurities, but I don't see people as a ball of insecurities. I see them through their positivity, with insecurities, not the other way around. It was as if I was trying to get a read of you solely through the inverse of my natural mode.
 

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You put forth a lot of "Se". It's super distracting for me haha.

Agreed. You do give a heavy Seish vibe Forever but i still see you as INFJ as comparing you to ENFJs around this site you have less Fe and a more mystic vibe.
 
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