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    Senior Member Eileen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Although probably a moot issue at this point, I really do think Ivy is an INxP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    That would be my best guess too, though I think I may have ruined myself with too much MBTI thinking, making my own perceptions suspect of bias. So I have to rely on the observations of more objective parties.
    Well, I think that you're pretty clearly NF given that you're so attuned to ethics/values/emotional impacts. INFP makes some sense to me having met you (though you still don't seem as... loosey-goosey... as most INFPs I know).
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    no clinkz 'til brooklyn Nocapszy's Avatar
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    This is like a bad joke that everyone except Rajah is in on...

    Edahn is seriously not a damned enfp.
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    Lex Parsimoniae Xander's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Sure. I know it's verboten but I'm going to, just as a rhetorical device, compare you to Noah who is very much INTP, TiNe without a doubt. His Ti has a firm reign on the Ne. He's multilayered and open-ended in the way he makes connections, but he leads with the Ti which lends a structure to it. You, IMO, lead with your Ne and drag Ti along kicking and screaming all the way. Like Eileen said you bubble over with it.
    Noah is quite the INTP, I'll conceed that without contestation. It is however only one result. If all INTPs were like Noah then you'd not really get the structured silly side...if I recall correctly Noah goes more like Sdalek when feeling flippant (something I can't follow).

    Mind you though... I'm in a vaccuum. I know of no INTPs locally! I do know one ENTP thought and I'm definitely not paranoid, defensive or reclusive enough about me as a person to be one like that. I could be dealing with a faulty batch but there again so could anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    That said it's true that I've never met you and of course I could be wrong, it's just a (very strong) impression I've gotten over the years.
    I make tea. I'll even make cawfee. You only have to knock

    Mind you I'm now getting nagged about when I'm actually going to make good on my promises and go around the states. It seems the missus wants to meet everyone too. Not sure if it's friendly or merely sizing up the "competition" but it would be interesting
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe View Post
    I didn't say INTJ just because you pissed me off.

    You made a remark that sounded much more like Trickster Fe than inferior Fe.
    Well hopefully I shan't annoy you anymore.

    I'm still unfamiliar with the whole trickster thingy.. but I think I know what you mean.

    Would I be correct in thinking that it may be based more so on EP vs IP? I'm just thinking that if I were acting INTJ then would I not conceal more of my personal feelings on stuff like that and, being as IJ is your shadow, would not an INTJ think more akin to an ENFP than an INTP?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Do whatever you want.
    CHECK....

    Aww nuts there's more
    (/jk)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    If it was clear-cut, then perhaps you could build a case, but these things tend to be more ambiguous, so then you have to be happy with any label you're willing to bear.
    If you think it is the most "correct" assignation based on the evidence, then go for it.

    I will say that often you do feel like you're channeling Sub, there's a lot of similarities in your frenetic, freewheeling, Ne-pinging posting styles.
    If I am sure then please shoot me, I am a clone.

    I am often confused as to why other INTPs aren't like me. How they're dry and more focused in the detail than I am. I do wonder why most INTPs are more indepth and less broad than I am but also I wonder at many INTPs certainty as I find it inherant in the type to be uncertain.

    It is possible that I'm not an INTP. Only my father is adamant that I am and states that the differences between myself are cultural, based on interests or simply levels of intellect (I doubt I'll ever be convinced of any of them). I do defer to his greater expertise in the areas of MBTI but that doesn't mean I bow to his experience.

    That's a good point... I so completely do the whole against the establishment facet more than most (just to start sounding like a sweet valley cheerleader for a moment).
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post


    Reading a Xander post (or a sub post) is like watching someone do parkour:

    And I LOVE IT.
    Nope. WRONG.

    They didn't hit their heads once

    (I would love to be able to do that though.)

    Do I really skip over the pond of ideas more than most INTPs? Do I just illustrate it more? Am I an INTP who likes to entertain?

    I'm so going to start a thread... This needs some looking into...
    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Although probably a moot issue at this point, I really do think Ivy is an INxP.
    Really? I was just thinking NFJ myself. ENFJs most often mistype me to conform to what they already think I am.. INFPs tend to see me as more INTP than ENTP as far as I can tell...

    Where's that bear type person when you need him... Carebear!!!
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    no clinkz 'til brooklyn Nocapszy's Avatar
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    Xander is no T.
    we fukin won boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    ...Nope. WRONG.

    They didn't hit their heads once

    (I would love to be able to do that though.)

    Do I really skip over the pond of ideas more than most INTPs? Do I just illustrate it more? Am I an INTP who likes to entertain?

    I'm so going to start a thread... This needs some looking into...
    Dude, this entire post (including the quoted part) is giving my sense of focus whiplash.

    You are just pinging all over the pace, with rapid-fire right-off-the-brain-into-the-fingers delivery.

    As far as INTPs sounding sure of themselves, basically you're just seeing Ti at work.

    When INTPs are Ne'ing their communication, they will be fuzzy and float around and have fun, even get a little whimsical or silly depending.

    When they drop into Ti (because the situation is one they have thought about), they can sound very sure... because they're explaining the conclusions they've drawn so far. There is no other "better" explanation, they're giving you the "best answer" they've got so far. So they're not fuzzy, they sound hard in how they state things.

    But there's a large disclaimer there: "...so far." The conclusions that sound so solid are completely vulnerable to new information; as soon as any little piece of information or possibility enters, the "conclusion so far" has to be recalculated.

    So the INTP is always sure of the final conclusion of their logic, but they're not sure at all if it's entirely reflective of reality and so the conclusion must constantly be updated. So they sound sure, but the answer is constantly under revision.

    If Ne is placed first and Ti is just used to support, then you'd be pinging all over the place and just using Ti to "prod and push" on a possibility so that you can leap to another one from that one, if the ground is safe. The goal here is to leap and explore and advance, using the inner judgment to test your footing; Ti+Ne is more about building a model/case for something, and Ne keeps expanding the theoretical framework, not letting it calcify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Xander is no T.
    *slaps Nocaps* You take that back!
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    Boring old fossil Night's Avatar
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    Nocapszy - do you think my INTP analysis for you is correct?

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    Lex Parsimoniae Xander's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Xander is no T.
    Not what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Dude, this entire post (including the quoted part) is giving my sense of focus whiplash.

    You are just pinging all over the pace, with rapid-fire right-off-the-brain-into-the-fingers delivery.

    As far as INTPs sounding sure of themselves, basically you're just seeing Ti at work.

    When INTPs are Ne'ing their communication, they will be fuzzy and float around and have fun, even get a little whimsical or silly depending.

    When they drop into Ti (because the situation is one they have thought about), they can sound very sure... because they're explaining the conclusions they've drawn so far. There is no other "better" explanation, they're giving you the "best answer" they've got so far. So they're not fuzzy, they sound hard in how they state things.

    But there's a large disclaimer there: "...so far." The conclusions that sound so solid are completely vulnerable to new information; as soon as any little piece of information or possibility enters, the "conclusion so far" has to be recalculated.

    So the INTP is always sure of the final conclusion of their logic, but they're not sure at all if it's entirely reflective of reality and so the conclusion must constantly be updated. So they sound sure, but the answer is constantly under revision.

    If Ne is placed first and Ti is just used to support, then you'd be pinging all over the place and just using Ti to "prod and push" on a possibility so that you can leap to another one from that one, if the ground is safe. The goal here is to leap and explore and advance, using the inner judgment to test your footing; Ti+Ne is more about building a model/case for something, and Ne keeps expanding the theoretical framework, not letting it calcify.
    Ooo that's good. What happens if an INTP posts from work and is therefore engaging Ti on the thing he's concentrating upon and posts for relief from talking to inbred bigots?

    Just purely theoretically you understand
    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    *slaps Nocaps* You take that back!
    What? I didn't see what he said I was not... You deleted it?


    Oh btw, thread as promised http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...-ooooohhh.html
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    no clinkz 'til brooklyn Nocapszy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Nocapszy - do you think my INTP analysis for you is correct?
    I promise you'd change your mind if we met in person. For all what you've have seen, I don't blame you (or anyone else) for guessing INTP.

    I've even wondered about it myself. I'm still convinced I'm an extravert.


    It's certainly better than all those J diagnoses.
    we fukin won boys

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    Boring old fossil Night's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I know, and in all that, still no one's taken a crack at over-analyzing me. A dude could almost take that personally if he wasn't so secure.
    I have you as EsFP, Jeffster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    I promise you'd change your mind if we met in person. For all what you've have seen, I don't blame you (or anyone else) for guessing INTP.

    I've even wondered about it myself. I'm still convinced I'm an extravert.
    You're an extremely intelligent guy. eNTP seems a great description, too.

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