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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    too needy... and too blatantly arrogant to be a good one
    The mistyped INTJs I have in mind are entirely self-centered and display a weak capacity to think steps ahead, outside of their narrow spheres or between the lines. They appear preoccupied with the immediate visuals or pragmatics of things.

    What does that suggest to you?
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    underdeveloped and therefore difficult to type because of unusually high immaturity level

    presuming we're speaking of the same one
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    haha... not just he-who-shall-not-be-named. I had a couple in mind.

    Also, I didn't mean the description in a disparaging way. I neither like nor dislike them. The sole interest is the curious, blatant mistyping.
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    because most of them would rather throw themselves under a train than admit to being a stupid sensor :rolli:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacuss View Post
    The mistyped INTJs I have in mind are entirely self-centered and display a weak capacity to think steps ahead, outside of their narrow spheres or between the lines. They appear preoccupied with the immediate visuals or pragmatics of things.

    What does that suggest to you?
    I have been watching the INTJs for a bit now. When young they seem to be very...quiet. They post one liners and say little and the things they do say can be very crude humor or just be very blunt. As I have been told, they are still forming Ni-thus dont have much to externalize. What they share feels like extraordinarily compact Te.

    As they grow older, they seem to externalize more. Oddly, rather than becoming more alike, as some other personalitiy types seem to-they become very diverse and unique in communication styles. Each has a very different flavor. This is where I can see the Ni and Te strengths become very apparent. Perhaps some of the ones who you see as seeming pragmatic-have just become very good with Te at identifying what the root of the problem is-thus quickly reaching a pragmatic, actualizable solution-and skipping the more intellectual side of the discussion.

    The narrow spheres makes me thing Ni depth and seeing between the lines reminds me of Ne connective breadth?

    But just my thoughts and observations..

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    yeah, it's funny how growing up and such can change how a person acts and how their personalities develop... it makes me quite glad that there aren't any immature ESTPs wandering around on the site... you know, for the sake of type PR
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    Ie.

    Perhaps some of the ones who you see as seeming pragmatic-have just become very good with Te at identifying what the root of the problem is-thus quickly reaching a pragmatic, actualizable solution-and skipping the more intellectual side of the discussion.

    The narrow spheres makes me thing Ni depth and seeing between the lines reminds me of Ne connective breadth?

    But just my thoughts and observations..
    That's the thing, though - the "pragmatics" I've mentioned are very short-sighted. This is why I called it "immediate." The root seems not as important as the immediate cause and effect. Rather slap-dash. I could understand the Te, but neither Ni nor Ne are apparent.


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    it makes me quite glad that there aren't any immature ESTPs wandering around on the site... you know, for the sake of type PR
    I don't know. My brother is ESTP and even when young wasn't as knuckleheaded as the most immature of the supposed NTs around here (ENTPs included). Charm goes a long way.
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    Oh yes... I remember having people say "I really should hate you... you're a horrible person... but I can't help but to like you!"

    ESTP charm CAN go a long ways!

    Unfortunatly, it often doesn't translate as well online... which would be my concern
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    Well, halla and you are amazing estps, imo, and represent your species very well.

    As to myself, I seem almost stereotypically enfp-ish at times, but I've contemplated it ad nauseum, and I don't think I am. I have an INFP friend who is a lot like me in the NF department, and she is all over the place with her Ne/Fi. In comparison to her, I am very Ni focused and, I dunno, I used to be more Fe but the world sorta got to me......

    I was just reading the Continuum Concept by Jien Liedloff and she speaks about how when humans raised by animals (i guess it really happens--i'll google it later), they are very S from birth (my interpretation of her explanation), and have a hard time assimilating to human life. It makes me ponder afresh the nurture component of S versus N from birth... and the affect circumstances have on what cognitive functions are pressed into conscious service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    because most of them would rather throw themselves under a train than admit to being a stupid sensor :rolli:
    I've noticed that S vs N can be difficult to differentiate, because its external expression isn't obvious. Si can be flexible and desire variety, Ni can be intransigent and fixated upon particular ideas. The external behavior doesn't necessarily reflect the internal thought process.

    In particular, it is very difficult to differentiate a stupid intuitive from a stupid sensor. :p


    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    I have been watching the INTJs for a bit now. When young they seem to be very...quiet. They post one liners and say little and the things they do say can be very crude humor or just be very blunt. As I have been told, they are still forming Ni-thus dont have much to externalize. What they share feels like extraordinarily compact Te.
    This behavior happens with older INTJs, too, in any arena in which they are still learning. One is reluctant to share anything, because the ideas of people with more experience will be so obviously superior to one's own.

    The process of learning is introverted, because Ni is perceiving lessons in an introverted way. (Se and Ne perhaps perceive/learn in a more interactive and extroverted way?)

    As they grow older, they seem to externalize more. Oddly, rather than becoming more alike, as some other personalitiy types seem to-they become very diverse and unique in communication styles. Each has a very different flavor.
    You must really lick--er, um, like--INTJs to know their flavors.

    This is where I can see the Ni and Te strengths become very apparent. Perhaps some of the ones who you see as seeming pragmatic-have just become very good with Te at identifying what the root of the problem is-thus quickly reaching a pragmatic, actualizable solution-and skipping the more intellectual side of the discussion.
    There are two different roles for Te. One is how it is used with Ni to instantly solve problems and apply solutions. It's very non-verbal, with an emphasis on Ni.

    To an INTJ, the Ni solution is just "so obvious" that it is difficult to figure out what to say to explain things to others. What isn't obvious to the young INTJ is where others' insight is lacking, how to fill in the gaps. A young INTJ will have grasped a difficult concept, such as how sin(x) and cos(x) work, but explaining "sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1" feels like trying to explain "1+1=2". Once Ni grasps an idea, it "feels elementary." This version of Ni/Te, emphasizing the Ni, is where the "quiet but knowledgeable INTJ" vibe comes from.

    It is the 2nd role of Te that solves this "feels elementary" problem. This is the role of Te as a means of communication. It is all about objective ideas and how people think about objective ideas. Te is used to figure out where others' understanding is at, and then Ni can draw a map from that level of understanding to understanding the new topic, THEN Te will explicate that map as a "lesson." This is where the INTJ becomes more pedantic and seemingly arrogant. The INTJ is more talkative, but it is almost always with an air of authority, whether merited or not. It takes development of Fi to ameliorate that, though it is also possible for Te to learn "Fe tricks" on "how to say things so people don't get upset and will actually listen to you."

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