Yeah, it does become very ambiguous.Type descriptions? I can read myself into pretty much every single ENxx description, depending upon my mood, environment, and current happenings. Many of the T descriptions as pertaining to relationships do not fit me at all, however; I always find it necessary to connect with and understand my partner and others around me, and I take things much more personally than pretty much every other T I know.
As far as cognitive functions, I've found that, on the whole, I relate well to Ne, Fi, Ti, and Te the most, with a fairly strong Ni, and Se cropping up every now and then. Fe and Si are typically "lost" on me. Many type descriptions can be formed with this combination, with Te being seen as a ENFP's tertiary, Ne+Ti coming together to "mimic" Te () in ENTP, and so on. Reconciling this has been a major point of confusion for me, athough, aside from the overly strong Te, ENxP has made the "most sense" in this respect.
Sometimes, that's what you have to do, if one is not explaining things well enough.Historically, probably ENTP; however, I have much more in common with the ENFPs on this board, especially in people-related discussions.
So as I've thought, type depends upon the model used, as well as how I choose to see the exact nature of the individual pieces. I am perfectly fine with the raw dichotomies pointing to one answer and the cognitive functions to another. In my mind, they can be considered separate personality models, just as Socionics and MBTI, or MBTI and Big 5, are separate models.
So, the question comes down to this: Which model should I use?
And I realize how ENTP this answer sounds, juggling the viewpoints of several objective models.
What's New In Type and Temperament. The rest of the information on her theories can be found here: The Lenore Thomson Exegesis WikiFrom the cognitive function standpoint, Ni as an "under stress" function could make a lot of sense as something that has developed during my college years. It would explain why Ni is pretty well developed and something that I can very readily tap into now, and why I tend to take on leadership and positions involving planning fairly easily, swiftly, and naturally.
Do you have a link to Lenore's system which explains the "alternatives" as you describe?
That sounds like a T, who's F is developing as he has grown up. If it's tertiary, it would be young adulthood, rather than later in life. For the ENTJ, it would be inferior, as well as introverted, and thus develop later, and still be different from an ENTP. For your brother in law, if his is not showing, it could be age difference, or he is just not developing as fast.Historically? Thinking. But then, I have also become more people-focused, and I tend to incorporate the subjective and people-orientedness much more than my other T bretheren do. My ENTj father and ENTP brother-in-law come to mind as those who are typically contrary to the viewpoints of others
So I'm not sure whether this "newfound" feeling is an exposure of my natural preferences just as my extroversion (and, possibly, spontaneity) is, or whether it's just been part of the process of constructing a more well-rounded character.
I/E and J/P are not definite processes like the others, but simply indicate the positions of the processes, and this is often reflected by behavior, but can be changed by various factors. An introvert is someone who's dominant function is introverted. However, someone with an extroverted dominant might behave similar to an introvert because of various reasons such as very restrictive parents, some sort of trauma, etc. But he was never really an "introvert".Likely extraverted.
I've also historically "preferred" introversion, and that's drastically changed for me. I have always typically held a more "judging" attitude and have only recently found relaxation through spontaneity.
J indicates that the Judging process is evtraverted, and it often does manifest as "conscientious, organized", etc., but again, there are many reasons why a P might be like this, or a J not be like this. So those are clues, but I would say the actual functions would be more important. (And these factors are also why sometimes looking at it through different models helps).
If you're becoming more "spontaneous" now, perhaps that's your true P manifesting in your independence, or whatever circumstance may have changed.
Yeah; I love applying what I know about the theories, and seeing how much my own ideas (such as the MBTI-Galen correlation) might work.And in any case, thanks for your patience on this. It seems you're enjoying the discussion, and it's something I could keep up for a long time.