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    we'll have you. i kinda wondered anyway.
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    If you say so. A few of the things you mentioned despising really don't have much to do with being a J, though.
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    I picked a random page from this thread and there were many lulz. I picked another and they were there again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    If you say so. A few of the things you mentioned despising really don't have much to do with being a J, though.
    Oh yeah, I realize that.. a lot of it can be associated with other personality traits.. it's all just part of the same slow realization that I've had about what I've tended to value most in other people, in the work environment, and so on.


    The whole idea of ENxPs being "sponges of knowledge" definitely resonates with me, though.. so does the title of "Benevolent Inventor." I went through a phase where I'd read a type description and pretty much take it on as my own, just as I seem to naturally "fit in" with a bunch of different groups of people. My love of psychology and my interest in humanitarian work might lead me to think I'm more F than I am, but I also can't help but feel like I pick up on social cues that others seem to miss. I also naturally start to mirror others' facial expressions and gesticulations as they talk, and I have to stifle that from time to time

    Who knows.. I'll just keep investigating..

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    I see you're reconsidering your type, and I have always sensed that I did not get ENTJ ("Fieldmarshall") vibes. Have you looked a the cognitive processes?
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    me too thursday...kinda always have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greed View Post
    but I also can't help but feel like I pick up on social cues that others seem to miss.
    What do you mean by this?

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    Yeah, ENTP pretty well makes sense.. it's becoming apparent that I don't lead with a judging function, at least. I'm not too bothered by the question of my exact type, but I guess it's an interesting discussion at least

    In college, I thought I couldn't even be around other people.. but when I gave myself the chance, I absolutely loved it. By the same token, once I got over the mindset that I couldn't pick up on my own emotional state or others' cues simply by telling myself that I could, I quickly began to recognize my own emotions and better understand others' indirect communication. It was a weird transition that I don't even really remember happening.. giving myself a chance at it did wonders for me.

    I'm described as an analytical person, and I can logically sort things out, but I've noticed that I tend to take criticism personally. In an impersonal realm like engineering, that can be kind of difficult because few people actually have tact It's taken me a few years to correct for that and to stop taking things so personally, but I do get drawn into that mindset from time to time. Depends on the mood I'm in, I guess..

    Despite it all, I'm my own harshest critic, I have high standards for myself, and one of my biggest fears is being seen as unreliable and unable to meet others' expectations of me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    What do you mean by this?
    This might not all be related to social cues so to speak, but here are some examples of the general concept I'm pointing to..

    Just last night, I was at a friend's house with some others I didn't know. One of the others made some small gesticulation toward his wife (touched her leg, or something.. I forget exactly), and I told him "Yeah, I'm with you".. he asked me to clarify what I meant. I knew that he was ready to leave, and so I clarified that I was ready to leave.

    I typically play poker first by reading other people, where my other ENTP friend pays more attention to the cards.

    I was in a conversation with two other people, and I could sense one's annoyance at the other.. and, well, the other person wasn't fazed at all. I had to indirectly draw him out of the conversation to "save" the other person.

    I saw how my ENTP brother-in-law and EnFJ sister were directly communicating in the form of questions to each other and "called them out on it," so to speak. They hadn't really realized what they were doing.

    I can also pick up on whether and exactly how I can discuss ideas with other people.. especially in the realm of conflict. When my ENFJ friend and I get into disagreements, I pick up on when we can discuss things and when we can't based upon what I see about our emotional states. This is something I can't get my brother-in-law or my ENTJ dad to realize.. that not everyone means what they directly say, and not everyone is always open to objective discussion of their issues all the time.. that you have to find either the right time or coax them out of their non-receptive state somehow.

    People tend to come to me about their problems and seek my advice. Even at work, these seasoned researchers talk to me about issues that they're facing.. grandiose issues such as mass panic about some sort of drastic change that probably won't happen anyway. I end up playing damage control whenever someone says something during a meeting in a way that disturbs everyone else

    I'm told that I can justify anyone's behavior, and I always seek to find a better explanation for situations involving other people. My boss was about ready to blame some other coworkers for something that wasn't done, but my first thought was to try to find an explanation for why their part wasn't completed. I talked to them about it, and it turned out that, due to their circumstances, they couldn't have possibly started on their task. I reported the details back to my boss, and he proceeded to not chew them out over something out of their control

    Especially if I'm interested in someone, I can size them up pretty quickly. The night I met the girl I'm dating now, I'd pegged her as an artistic, humanitarian, innocent and somewhat sheltered, open-minded person, despite none of this coming up in conversation (and as shy as she was, there was very little conversation ). Everything I've learned since then has only verified all of that. With some people, I've been wrong about my initial impressions, but I just change them accordingly.. easy and manageable since I don't judge them based on what I first think about them.

    Now whether this is all something I've learned to do out of interest, whether I just do it to the degree that normal individuals can, or whether it's something that comes innately? No clue

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    I see you're reconsidering your type, and I have always sensed that I did not get ENTJ ("Fieldmarshall") vibes. Have you looked a the cognitive processes?
    I've read all about them, and certain cognitive processes will resonate with me depending on how I'm feeling at the time or what sort of situations I've been exposed to recently. This has happened with type descriptions ranging from ESFJ () to ESTP to ENTJ to.. well, a lot of them

    Thanks for the "journey through type," all.. I definitely appreciate all of the input!!

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