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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    It'll do for a test anyway. You came out as an ambivert. Most people are ambiverts. But my question for @Alea_iacta_est is, if someone doesn't conform to any particular test result, then how does analyzing the inferior resolve this? There may not be one particular inferior that stands out. So you'll be in the same boat as before when analyzing for the correct dominant.
    Gotcha, there was a reason why I mentioned so much about both Ni and Fe. Because if I had been able to decide it all on my own I wouldn't even have asked lol. I guess it also depends on how you look at it, with what theory.


    At times I've solved this dilemma by telling the person to choose one and stick with it until it becomes your dominant, because it's very likely that your dominant is not differentiated enough for it to stand apart from another one.
    How do you exactly stick with a function to actually cause a psychological differentiation? I mean, what's the practical implementation of that?

    Btw I did try to observe myself before and found that I have no problem declaring "oh yes I'm in a Ti mind state now". If you know what I mean. It's pretty obvious in some cases, when I'm actually being in my head analysing. In other cases not so obvious because it's a more instinctual use of it. Snap conclusions made in an automatic, unconscious fashion. I simply just "feel" them. I know it's Ti because 1) it's a logical "feeling" 2) I can reason it all out by conscious analysis in my head.

    Se mind state is a different matter, I don't think I can do the above with that. I'm not sure why.


    "And no, I don't like to see any of this as having a mystical quality." Ni-inferior only lends Se an exaggerated demeanor that stretches the limits of credibility - as mysticism does, but without actually being mystical. As the claims of Se in an Ni-spin become more exaggerated and fantastical, the eyes widen almost fanatically and the body becomes more and more active but, as you hinted, in an impractical sense that accomplishes nothing but wasted energy, probably because it's being directed toward convincing others (Fe). And as its only purpose is to bring the Ego back to a state of equilibrium, in that sense, objective accomplishment is not even a goal.
    Oh by mysticism I meant that the mind control stuff could've sounded like that.

    I have no idea what my eyes looked like in those states lol But yes, more active body and I see you do get the idea about how it's impractical stuff.

    I have to mention one thing however; I didn't really direct it towards convincing others through Fe. I kept almost all of my thoughts to myself, though others could certainly see that I was upset in some weird way. That make any sense to you?

    How does that process bring the Ego back to equilibrium? Explain a bit more about this? And you meant this for Se-doms specificially? Whereas for Ti-doms it's the Ti/Fe axis that does this bringing back to equilibrium?


    If you only somewhat identify with this explanation (which I imagined you would)
    I very much identified with it but as I said, it was only once, under the biggest stress of my life. And I gained control over it.


    then I would look at the other inferior (I call it that because Jung did not talk about tertiaries), undifferentiated function. You kind of identify with my example of Ti in an Fe spin. But the difference lies in the activity of that other undifferentiated function - the fact that you react to the Fe standards of others. I don't know if your example above involved stressing out about their standards. But your reactions are bound to be more practical because of Se. Ironically, in stressful situations you will become as narcissistic as those "phonies" (so to speak) who pretend to stand for some standards objectively external to them.
    Yes I kind of stress out about their standards. At least I get all irritable and even angry. Such a knee-jerk reaction really. I see all that stuff as being unfair on certain people. I will go out of my way to defend those people even when they don't ask or are not even present there, heh.

    Why are you saying I become just as narcissistic in these cases?


    All in all, I think you're more ISTP.
    Because of how I ranted more about Fe? Or what was the decisive factor for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    The tertiary function is more accessible to the individual, meaning that the INTP for instance will be able to use Si properly with more ease than he will be able to use Fe properly. Development is all about learning how to control our lower functions so that they can be used positively. The reason why the inferior function is the "weakest" function is that it conflicts with the dominant attitude, the function that is used the most, so naturally the individual, when engaging in the dominant function, will usually neglect the inverse inferior function because it is so alien to the dominant function. The tertiary function is more accessible because it is the natural inverse of the Auxiliary, which still causes it to be a "little weaker" but unlike the inferior, this function can actively compliment or detriment the dominant function, meaning that the dominant function's processes don't openly conflict with the tertiary as much as it does with the inferior function. The inferior function is also called the gateway to the unconscious because it is so uncontrollable to the user clinging to the dominant perspective, it is seen as sort of unrefined and wild, something that shouldn't always be trusted, but with development we learn that we can, in fact, trust the inferior function.
    What's that gateway to the unconscious like?

    Anyway going by this, I would say Fe is harder to control than Ni. Maybe it's the gateway you're talking about but you'll have to explain more about that. What does Fe look like in the role of er, gateway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity- View Post
    What's that gateway to the unconscious like?

    Anyway going by this, I would say Fe is harder to control than Ni. Maybe it's the gateway you're talking about but you'll have to explain more about that. What does Fe look like in the role of er, gateway?
    The inferior function will be the function that surprises you after its tantrum is done. Say you express your inferior function at something harshly, a week later you may question yourself "did I actually do that? Was that actually me?". This is due to the fact that the inferior function when it is not controlled can explode under negative stress. For Fe specifically, it would be like you blowing up emotionally at your stressor and then looking back on it uneasily, as if you weren't acting like yourself at the time. With positive development, individuals begin to realize that their inferior is apart of them, and that it needs to be nourished and stimulated as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    The inferior function will be the function that surprises you after its tantrum is done. Say you express your inferior function at something harshly, a week later you may question yourself "did I actually do that? Was that actually me?". This is due to the fact that the inferior function when it is not controlled can explode under negative stress. For Fe specifically, it would be like you blowing up emotionally at your stressor and then looking back on it uneasily, as if you weren't acting like yourself at the time. With positive development, individuals begin to realize that their inferior is apart of them, and that it needs to be nourished and stimulated as well.
    I don't really question myself in that fashion. It's all me for sure, I just used to get second thoughts on whether it was necessary to blow up like that. I improved at that, I no longer care much. I mean I still do the blowing up but I don't mind so much afterwards.

    Just one question; what does that look like for Se-doms with Ni? What are they getting second thoughts about afterwards? It's surely not about emotional outbursts but what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity- View Post
    I don't really question myself in that fashion. It's all me for sure, I just used to get second thoughts on whether it was necessary to blow up like that. I improved at that, I no longer care much. I mean I still do the blowing up but I don't mind so much afterwards.

    Just one question; what does that look like for Se-doms with Ni? What are they getting second thoughts about afterwards? It's surely not about emotional outbursts but what?
    Se dominants become excessively paranoid about others' intentions (Ni-Fe polarization), insinuating excessively and becomingly highly cynical. They also become more reserved and troubled by the perceived future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity- View Post
    Because of how I ranted more about Fe? Or what was the decisive factor for you?
    Ranting, yes. I always base my typology decisions on ranting because it is the gateway to the unconscious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Se dominants become excessively paranoid about others' intentions (Ni-Fe polarization), insinuating excessively and becomingly highly cynical. They also become more reserved and troubled by the perceived future.
    I do that less often but I do this too. Meaning?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Ranting, yes. I always base my typology decisions on ranting because it is the gateway to the unconscious.
    Lol.

    Anyway, seriously, is it because you got the impression that I identified more with the Ti/Fe issue than with the Se/Ni one? Is that it? Let me know please.

    And I still have this question: "How does that process bring the Ego back to equilibrium? Explain a bit more about this? And you meant this for Se-doms specificially? Whereas for Ti-doms it's the Ti/Fe axis that does this bringing back to equilibrium?"

    Thanks much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity- View Post
    Live a long good life fully alive, never giving up on things I want.




    What a thing really means, e.g. concepts in systems.

    The role of the mind and thus psychology in interpreting the world. By psychology I don't mean the touchy-feely kind of it, I mean the technical flavours of it (e.g. cognitive stuff and such).




    People's psychology of the touchy-feely kind, haha. Psychology of personality, yeah I know it's funny I'm on this site :P




    Nonjudgmental, open, welcoming people. People with whom you can talk about anything. People who are active, engaging in interaction.




    People who criticize behaviour and stuff from a social viewpoint. I also don't really like it if someone's very reserved and unresponsive even if I poke them e.g. extremely autistic people. Pushovers are a bit annoying too, though that's not the same as being uncomfortable.

    ISTP certainly seems plausible. I definitely get the Ti flavor here. INTP is also possible but seems less likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ISTP certainly seems plausible. I definitely get the Ti flavor here. INTP is also possible but seems less likely.
    Thanks for the input

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ISTP certainly seems plausible. I definitely get the Ti flavor here. INTP is also possible but seems less likely.
    Actually I forgot to ask, where do you see Se vs Ne?

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