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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Interesting take on it, and I wholeheartedly agree. I do have a bit of a perfectionist attitude when it comes to being factually accurate and logically correct and I can be hard on myself if I am not factually accurate or illogical in my approach to things.
    Being hard on oneself is another hallmark. Out of all the enneagram types, I think that E1's (as a group) are the hardest on themselves. 4's can beat themselves up a lot too, but their reasons for doing so are totally different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Being hard on oneself is another hallmark. Out of all the enneagram types, I think that E1's (as a group) are the hardest on themselves. 4's can beat themselves up a lot too, but their reasons for doing so are totally different.
    The problem is that I'm pretty self-accepting, which could stem from being a healthy 1 or just meeting the standards that I have imposed on myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    The problem is that I'm pretty self-accepting, which could stem from being a healthy 1 or just meeting the standards that I have imposed on myself.
    That indeed is a sign of being healthy. It's not to say that all 1's are always hard on themselves. It's more that if expected standards are not met, it results in a very crappy feeling, and if it's bad enough one is inclined to beat oneself up and look for all of the loose ends that caused it in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    That indeed is a sign of being healthy. It's not to say that all 1's are always hard on themselves. It's more that if expected standards are not met, it results in a very crappy feeling, and if it's bad enough one is inclined to beat oneself up and look for all of the loose ends that caused it in the first place.
    What feeling is a "crappy" feeling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    What feeling is a "crappy" feeling?
    Kind of hard to describe. For me at least, it's a distinct feeling of "you failed" or "you did wrong". It sort of feels shame. I feel it as the "failure feeling".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Kind of hard to describe. For me at least, it's a distinct feeling of "you failed" or "you did wrong". It sort of feels shame. I feel it as the "failure feeling".
    I know what you are talking about, and I'd best describe it as melodramatic depression, an inferiority complex, and perhaps a feeling of corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I know what you are talking about, and I'd best describe it as melodramatic depression, an inferiority complex, and perhaps a feeling of corruption.
    That is type Four responding as the One's stress point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Kind of hard to describe. For me at least, it's a distinct feeling of "you failed" or "you did wrong". It sort of feels shame. I feel it as the "failure feeling".
    Shame is a core emotion of the Feeling triad, feelings of failure come from the Body or Effective triad where achievement is all-important.
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    I bit my tongue when you claimed not to be a perfectionist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solipsists View Post
    I bit my tongue when you claimed not to be a perfectionist.
    I think my problem with accepting my innate perfectionism is that I want to be absolutely perfect, but I don't want to put forward any tedious work to achieve it.

    I am extremely perfectionist in terms of action, however; everything must always be clearly researched and defined before I attempt anything so that I can eliminate even the slightest probabilities of freak accidents (or at least have the majority of good results on my side, so that I can take the risk of not detailing everything). I don't take action until I know everything and have the needed power to ensure my optimum result. (This magnifies by 300% when I'm refining the vision with Fi instead of Te. My Ni-Fi loop can be absolutely chronic and can lead me to question even 99% success rates of certain actions.)

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