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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Alive_Sunshine View Post
    I'm not sensitive at all about them being rejected, as long as the person doing the rejecting has a repectable basis for it. I'm not butthurt.
    What do you think about the other person if (s)he rejects it without a proper logical justification...? I bet you get irritated and think lowly of them like "(s)he's a frikkin idiot" or something similar...

    I believe this happens to me frequently with Ti-doms in the forum when I make assumptions about subjects at hand using Ni...i.e. when I go outside the bounds of Ti knowledge....

    Quote Originally Posted by Look Alive_Sunshine View Post
    I was put off by the manner the did it.
    What was wrong in the manner? Weren't some of them justifying their deductions?

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    Is this supossed to imply I'm not nice?
    I got the impression that you expect others to adapt to you (like they have to be not boring, nice and funny)... That has to work both ways...

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    Military commander would be an ENTJ.
    I believe ENTJ would be a ruler or in the worst case a dictator...

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    Thank you for your input.
    No probs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Alive_Sunshine View Post
    What is this "emmergence" you speak of?

    I hate it and will reject it/them. I preffer not to deal with things/people I can't count on. If it's a thing, I'll have a second option at hand. I always have a Plan B. And C. And D.

    If it's a person, I cut them out. No need for flaky people.

    Openess in what sense? Emotional?
    Having lots of backup plans is more indictive towards ENTP (very common feature).

    When I say openendedness I mean plans, contingencies. Meaning having nothing pinned down and having to work with that and tackle it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Alive_Sunshine View Post
    My mom's an INTP. We are alike in many ways, but starkly different in others.
    Which would constitute mirror relations in Socionics (INTj - ENTp interaction). It would seem like you operate the same on the surface when really you operate backwards from each other. The ENTp operates with the Ne-Ti mechanism, seeing the different possibilities and then refining them and building the system while the INTj operates with the Ti-Ne mechanism, designing the theoretical system first and then exploring possibilities based solely on that framework (also why the INTP in Socionics is a judging, rational type, the INTj, and the ENTp is an irrational type).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Some ENTPs are boisterous and sanguinely energetic, while other ENTPs are more reserved and serious (and thus probably developing their Ti more).
    I just can't with the boasting and general "I AM AWESOME!" attitude. That and the cringing tries at being witty when they just sound desperate, it's revolting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I can't see INTP at all, due to how much Fe related stuff appears. I don't see introvert period.

    ENTP can work. Considering how much it has appeared for her over the years, there's got to be something to it then. If she is, then she is just a very very well adapted ENTP which is quite wonderful.
    Well, well, well. Fe strikes again. I honestly feel about it the same way you do about Ne: I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    No

    Funny you've been typed istp in this thread, Look Alive_Sunshine. I typed entp when I first started.
    And there is our wondrous Ti dominant. If you would care to, please entertain us with your finely tuned definition of Ne.

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    I think this is worth mentioning as well. I thought I was an INFJ for 9 years. 9 freaking years. It took a long time for me to come into myself and grow as a person enough to realize who I am. I also had considered INTJ for several months too. I hadn't even entertained the possibility of extrovert before. It wasn't until I did, looked into it, and listened to the thoughts of others, and deciding what fit best that I figured out my type. Once I sat with it for a while, it started to lock into place and I knew it was right.

    Try on ENTP for a while. Say that it's you, and see how things pan out. If something seems a miss after like a month or so, come back to it and keep trying. Things start to become clear once you slap a label on yourself, and seeing if it really stays on. As annoying as it is, typing can be a very very long process for some people. You will definitely figure it out. Who knows, this could be the thread that figures it out for you as well .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Alive_Sunshine View Post
    I just can't with the boasting and general "I AM AWESOME!" attitude. That and the cringing tries at being witty when they just sound desperate, it's revolting.



    Well, well, well. Fe strikes again. I honestly feel about it the same way you do about Ne: I don't get it.

    The whole "I AM AWESOME" is a stereotype, not all ENTP's are going to be like that. It can be a bit challenging, but one has to try and ignore the stereotypes. Most will fit most of them, but not everyone .
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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    No

    Funny you've been typed istp in this thread, Look Alive_Sunshine. I typed entp when I first started.
    Oh, really...

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    What do you think about the other person if (s)he rejects it without a proper logical justification...? I bet you get irritated and think lowly of them like "(s)he's a frikkin idiot" or something similar...

    I believe this happens to me frequently with Ti-doms in the forum when I make assumptions about subjects at hand using Ni...i.e. when I go outside the bounds of Ti knowledge....
    If you reject it without a reasoning behind it you are an idiot. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

    Or when you just make leaps of judgement with nothing palpable to back you up. Ti wants logic and info.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    What was wrong in the manner? Weren't some of them justifying their deductions?
    Deduction it's the keyword.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I got the impression that you expect others to adapt to you (like they have to be not boring, nice and funny)... That has to work both ways...
    I never got complains.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I believe ENTJ would be a ruler or in the worst case a dictator...
    ENTJs have the Fieldmarsher title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Alive_Sunshine View Post
    Oh, really...

    If you reject it without a reasoning behind it you are an idiot. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

    Or when you just make leaps of judgement with nothing palpable to back you up. Ti wants logic and info.

    Deduction it's the keyword.

    I never got complains.

    ENTJs have the Fieldmarsher title.
    But "leaps of judgement" is what Ni is really about...

    Don't hate Ni-ers when they do that... Try asking them questions for clarification... Thru that, Ni-ers can reverse engineer their conclusions...and identify whether they hold water or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Having lots of backup plans is more indictive towards ENTP (very common feature).

    When I say openendedness I mean plans, contingencies. Meaning having nothing pinned down and having to work with that and tackle it.
    It'd be stressful. But in the right company, I guess I could make it. It is what it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Which would constitute mirror relations in Socionics (INTj - ENTp interaction). It would seem like you operate the same on the surface when really you operate backwards from each other. The ENTp operates with the Ne-Ti mechanism, seeing the different possibilities and then refining them and building the system while the INTj operates with the Ti-Ne mechanism, designing the theoretical system first and then exploring possibilities based solely on that framework (also why the INTP in Socionics is a judging, rational type, the INTj, and the ENTp is an irrational type).
    Socionis INTj is MBTI INTP?

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