Help Me Type Myself (Let's Try This Again)

[maybetmp]

A while ago, when I joined this site, I posted an introduction that also asked for help with typing myself. I didn't get too many responses, and in hindsight, it was probably because I didn't post it in the proper subforum (that's what they're called, right?). Some of this post contains content from the original post (why create more work for myself?). So I guess a description is in order. I tend to be pretty quiet and low energy. I have very many interests and can find almost anything fascinating if I think about it or can understand it. I love computers, philosophy and engineering and spend most of my time reading (code and non-code) or developing code. I love discussions (read: debates) and parties, and like to "cut-loose" every once in a while. I generally can't stand socialising with strangers and will typically keep my conversations short, though the opposite is the case for people I know and trust. I love thinking of possibilities and generating new ideas to the point off compulsion and I'll often follow through with it if it's feasible. I like understanding how things (concepts, systems, subsystems, sub-subsystems, supersystems (I promise I didn't make that up), individual components, etc.) work and spend hours each day trying to do so. I try to be objective, but sometimes I can make rash value judgements that I suspect of being rash value judgements as I make them, but latch onto them anyway. Typically, I'll mentally backtrack and amend them when I'm feeling less emotional (usually in less than a day or so, lol). Arguing and debating is practically a form of entertainment for me, but I lose interest and feel uncomfortable if the other person gets too emotional. Oh, and please feel free to ask any questions you want, because there are probably some things that I might have subconsciously filtered out with the intent to skew your evaluation, and asking might help me remember. Sorry if I'm being pushy, and thanks in advance!

 

[Noll]

Your interests don't really matter much when it comes to determining type, but ENFP or perhaps INFP sounds like the likeliest. Other possibilites could be ISFP and INTP. Read about them. Pay attention to the dominant functions. Do tell us about what type you think you are too, it helps.

 

[Stephano]

ENFP with strong Te? I don't think you're an introvert.
Btw you should make paragraphs.

 

[Antonio]

I would say INTP or ENTP.

 

[maybetmp]

Your interests don't really matter much when it comes to determining type, but ENFP or perhaps INFP sounds like the likeliest. Other possibilites could be ISFP and INTP. Read about them. Pay attention to the dominant functions. Do tell us about what type you think you are too, it helps.

My greatest difficulty is in discerning between Fi and Ti, not because they appear superficially similar, but because I suspect that my preference for the rational over the irrational might be for more emotional reasons. Though I might be presenting to myself a false dichotomy by assuming that being driven by emotion necessarily makes one irrational. I see that based on what you've said, I seem like I have a preference for perceiving, which is probably true, although ISTJs also have Ne in their functional stack, but it's inferior. It raises the question if those with poorly developed inferior traits can appear similar to those with the opposite ordering of functions. Then again, it would be difficult for me to imagine myself as an Si (or even Te) dom. ISFP would be possible on account of Ni being in the tertiary position, since I'm pretty confident that I have an intuitive function in at least the top three. I do have the ability to focus on a given task (only obsessively, my attention span is very binary), but in general, I think I lack the mental conciseness and discipline to be a J. Hmm...

 

[maybetmp]

Okay, so I took an online test (HumanMetrics') and scored INTP. I answered it as generously as possible, that is, if there was even the possibility of an option being true, I picked it over what I'd normaly put. The scores are as follows:
Introvert 44% (moderate preference)
iNtuitive 88% (strong preference)
Thinking 50% (moderate preference)
Perceiving 11% (slight preference)
The only other scores I've ever gotten were IN(?)TJ (on a formal test by a licensed psychiatrist years ago, and a handful of times of informal tests), ENTP (on maybe two occasions), and INFP (once or twice). I have a feeling that these tests don't really evaluate functions, but INTP comes out pretty consistently, for what that's worth. I doubt that an ENTP, being Ne dom and Ti aux probably wouldn't score terribly high on extraversion on these tests because they test for the "popular" idea of extraversion (whereas an INFJ might score higher). Observing some supposed ENTPs, I've even found them to seem pretty introverted, so I wouldn't rule that out as a possibility. INFP is possible, but it's really hard for me to imagine myself as an Fi dom. Even at the most emotional stage of my life, I tested as an INTJ (by a psychiatrist). As for what I think I am, it's hard to say. I can guess and maybe say INTP, but I don't really trust my judgement on it. ENTP would probably be a runner up, followed by INTJ, followed by INFP/ENFP, followed by ISTP, followed by ISFP, followed by ESTP.. So in order of likelihood, I'll say:
1. INTP
2. ENTP
3. INTJ
4. INFP
5. ENFP
6. ISTP
7. ISFP
8. ESTP
9. ISTJ
10. ESFP
11. INFJ
12. ENTJ
13. ESTJ
14. ENFJ
15. ESFJ
16. ISFJ (I almost forgot about this one entirely, despite living with one, LOL)
I hope that helps a little.

 

[Alea_iacta_est]

Okay, so I took an online test (HumanMetrics') and scored INTP. I answered it as generously as possible, that is, if there was even the possibility of an option being true, I picked it over what I'd normaly put. The scores are as follows:
Introvert 44% (moderate preference)
iNtuitive 88% (strong preference)
Thinking 50% (moderate preference)
Perceiving 11% (slight preference)
The only other scores I've ever gotten were IN(?)TJ (on a formal test by a licensed psychiatrist years ago, and a handful of times of informal tests), ENTP (on maybe two occasions), and INFP (once or twice). I have a feeling that these tests don't really evaluate functions, but INTP comes out pretty consistently, for what that's worth. I doubt that an ENTP, being Ne dom and Ti aux probably wouldn't score terribly high on extraversion on these tests because they test for the "popular" idea of extraversion (whereas an INFJ might score higher). Observing some supposed ENTPs, I've even found them to seem pretty introverted, so I wouldn't rule that out as a possibility. INFP is possible, but it's really hard for me to imagine myself as an Fi dom. Even at the most emotional stage of my life, I tested as an INTJ (by a psychiatrist). As for what I think I am, it's hard to say. I can guess and maybe say INTP, but I don't really trust my judgement on it. ENTP would probably be a runner up, followed by INTJ, followed by INFP/ENFP, followed by ISTP, followed by ISFP, followed by ESTP.. So in order of likelihood, I'll say:
1. INTP
2. ENTP
3. INTJ
4. INFP
5. ENFP
6. ISTP
7. ISFP
8. ESTP
9. ISTJ
10. ESFP
11. INFJ
12. ENTJ
13. ESTJ
14. ENFJ
15. ESFJ
16. ISFJ (I almost forgot about this one entirely, despite living with one, LOL)
I hope that helps a little.

Humanmetrics = Forer Effect, easy discernible answers, and dichotomy based testing.

Keys2Cognition = Higher degree of accuracy for those with little knowledge of JCF, not dichotomy based testing, tests on actual functions.

 

[maybetmp]

Yeah, that's more or less what I've gathered from it. I thought the dichotomies were overly simplistic. Though I kind of suspect on the test that you suggested to me that the measuring of Fe is very simplistic because it doesn't seem to care much about harmony and uses some overly concrete examples. Meh. Anyway, here are my results:

extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************* (19.3)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************* (33)
good use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ***************************************** (41.3)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ******************************** (32)
good use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************************* (31.2)
good use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************************** (38.4)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************* (13.8)
unused
introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************************* (31.2)
good use

Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP

It seems to correspond more or less with the types I listed above according to likelihood. I'm pretty confident in my perceiving functions being Ne and Si, so naturally that leaves ESFJ, ISFJ, ESTJ, ISTJ, ENTP, INTP, ENFP, INFP (not in order of likelihood). I'd say my Ne is stronger than my Si, so that leaves ENTP, INTP, ENFP, and INFP and XSXJs, with ISFJ and ISTJ being less likely. My Fe is pretty weak, so that eliminates Fe doms or auxes, so buh-bye XSFJ. My Ne is bonkers, so ISTJ is out. So that realistically leaves ESTJ, ENTP, INTP, ENFP, and INFP. I can pretty confidently say that I'm not a Te or Fi dom, so now we're left with ENFP, ENTP, and INTP. Of these three, it's difficult to say which is the most likely. I could be an ENTP with very underdeveloped Fe, an INTP with okay-ish Ti, or an ENFP with bizarrely high Ti. The first two seem the most probable, but I'll lean only slightly toward INTP. Maybe, but if only for the fact that I'd make for a very atypical ENTP, and that my Si is perhaps more developed than my Fe.

 

[maybetmp]

So after further thought, I realised that I seem to use Ni somewhat frequently. It's often a little overwhelming. Would that indicate that I might possibly be an ISTP? Is it possible that what appears to be Ni is just 1+X other functions working in tandem to synthesize something that appears similar to Ni? I'm clearly still having a lot of trouble with this.

 

[yeghor]

So after further thought, I realised that I seem to use Ni somewhat frequently. It's often a little overwhelming. Would that indicate that I might possibly be an ISTP? Is it possible that what appears to be Ni is just 1+X other functions working in tandem to synthesize something that appears similar to Ni? I'm clearly still having a lot of trouble with this.

What's your heart's desire? What do you daydream/fantasize about? What makes you blissful?

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[maybetmp]

What's your heart's desire? What do you daydream/fantasize about? What makes you blissful?

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Specifically? I guess improving the world, finding truths, improving on designs, creating new systems, understanding the systems of others. I've been known to conjure systems out of nowhere. What makes me blissful? Brainstorming with others. I like discussing hypotheticals, especially if they are humorous. I'll say for sure that if my environment isn't stimulating (my job, dreadful factory work) I'll disappear entirely into my own world, but when it is stimulating (offering opportunities for me to measure and make predictions) I'll pay more attention. Umm, freedom is very important to me. Of course, freedom means different things to different persons. I see it as power. Power to do as I wish (with the reasonable concerns of others in mind, of course). So freedom is another thing I fantasize about. Some vague happiness isn't something I strive for consciously. I do realize that happiness is lack of want, and that fullfilling or eliminating my desires is elimination of that lack of want, so it is something I strive for in a sense, but not necessarily a pop psych conception of happiness (I don't care much for the American dream, necessarily). So yeah, sorry, I'm having trouble being concise, but you asked a very general question.

 

[yeghor]

Specifically? I guess improving the world, finding truths, improving on designs, creating new systems, understanding the systems of others. I've been known to conjure systems out of nowhere. What makes me blissful? Brainstorming with others. I like discussing hypotheticals, especially if they are humorous. I'll say for sure that if my environment isn't stimulating (my job, dreadful factory work) I'll disappear entirely into my own world, but when it is stimulating (offering opportunities for me to measure and make predictions) I'll pay more attention. Umm, freedom is very important to me. Of course, freedom means different things to different persons. I see it as power. Power to do as I wish (with the reasonable concerns of others in mind, of course). So freedom is another thing I fantasize about. Some vague happiness isn't something I strive for consciously. I do realize that happiness is lack of want, and that fullfilling or eliminating my desires is elimination of that lack of want, so it is something I strive for in a sense, but not necessarily a pop psych conception of happiness (I don't care much for the American dream, necessarily). So yeah, sorry, I'm having trouble being concise, but you asked a very general question.

This sounds as ENTP...though I was hoping for a much brief answer like just one sentence...what/who do you aspire to be? Who IRL embodies that ideal?



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[maybetmp]

This sounds as ENTP...though I was hoping for a much brief answer like just one sentence...what/who do you aspire to be? Who IRL embodies that ideal?



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Abraham Lincoln. Not really. Umm, well, I've always admired hacker types. Like Dennis Ritchie, Wozniak, Ken Thompson (not Stallman or Raymond, aww hayull naw). Anyone who invents things, inspires change, etc. (so I guess Abe Lincoln? LOL). I have a slight affinity towards activist types (as long as they can present a coherent arguement). Does that help at all?

 

[xisnotx]

ti-fe.
which means, ne-si.

xntp.

 

[maybetmp]

I'll giev you a long-winded example of how I normally post (Facebook, LOL) outside of this forum, so I can reduce some potential "environmental bias" (apologies if that's an established term that I'm abusing). I think it seems pretty Te/Ni-sh. Let me know what you think. This is in response to a conservative group asking if people wish they could go back to earlier gas prices (think .99 per gallon). Let's see if this helps. Bear with me.

I mean, I can think of some ways to lower the prices, in a sense. Of course, both solutions have a cost that should be pretty obvious to anyone, and of course, are antithetical to American conservatism, but I'll list them anyway.
1) You could establish price ceilings on gas prices to keep them under $1.00. I'm not too familiar with the economics of gas stations, but from what I've been told, they make a net loss off of gas sales to begin with and compensate for them with convenience store sales (which would explain the unusually high cost of things in gas station stores, I guess). I'd be inclined to believe that they'd have to raise prices of convenience items to the point that they'd be uncompetitive and they'd probably go out of business eventually, which would probably destroy the economy unless the government stepped in and nationalized the gas station industry.

2) We subsidize gas prices. We allow gas stations to sell gas at a low price by compensating the difference in prices through government subsidies. A price floor would have to be established so gas stations couldn't sell their gas at a price that's close to zero and having tax payers foot the bill.

The second option is obviously the most viable. In fact, some South American countries have implemented this successfully, IIRC. There are negative consequences with making gas extremely cheap, however, such as over consumption. The cheaper gas is, the more it will be consumed, leading to higher scarcity, leading to a greater demand on funds needed to subsidize it, thus increasing the tax burden. If it's left unchecked, oil will be consumed to the point of total depletion. That's not to mention the increased carbon footprint caused by this overconsumption and the hidden costs involved. Of course, that's not necessarily set in stone because there are many unforeeable factors, such as we might be able to synthesize oil at a lower price than extracting it.

 

[maybetmp]

ti-fe.
which means, ne-si.

xntp.

Oh, sorry. What makes you say that?

 

[xisnotx]

Because...

I love discussions (read: debates)

I love thinking of possibilities and generating new ideas to the point off compulsion

I like understanding how things (concepts, systems, subsystems, sub-subsystems, supersystems

I try to be objective, but sometimes I can make rash value judgements that I suspect of being rash value judgements as I make them, but latch onto them anyway.

Typically, I'll mentally backtrack and amend them when I'm feeling less emotional (usually in less than a day or so, lol).

Arguing and debating is practically a form of entertainment for me,

Ti, Ne, Ti, Inferior Fe, Inferior Fe, Ti