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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Whatever this is worth, I still dislike typing by video but you seemed to ooze a specific kind of warmth :o

    (And when I once made a video to see what it was like, I also did, lol.)
    Yeah the definite distinction is "specific". It's my speech pattern. I have never been big on just being overall warm to people like some are known for (regardless of type).


    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Haha your writing style never ever made me think you would be F but this is really F-ish :P
    I suppose it depends on the topic at hand. On some things I suspect it would go either way. I try to stick to being objective and formal in writing (unless I am explicitly screwing around), but on everything it's impossible to do. Sometimes, I don't want to do it either. Few are ever very pure towards each end.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Not a typical INTJ whatsoever. Whatever that means ;p
    No not at all, and certainly not introverted wither. I think there is definitely something to be said about how one is as a child. We all grow and change, but for some we will always resonate with who we once were. Who I was then (in some aspects) are still definite parts of myself, and it resonates. That innate, social nature is still a part of me. After writing that, and reflecting over the past two days, I really have come to see that I actually am an extrovert (at least in terms of MBTI). It simply fits better. The idea that Je is my dominant functions fits, way, way better than Pi. I honestly hadn't considered it much because I never had before. Nevertheless it makes way more sense. My lowest functions make that idea seem a bit out of whack, but that is the next thing to address once I resolve what type I am.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    What kind of corrections are those?
    Presenting a fact. Something that is solid, concrete, and known. Irrefutable. Basically saying someone is wrong, and showing exactly how that is in no uncertain terms.

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Why?
    I'm still reflecting, and am not as sure as I was last night. I don't have that innate drive to protect and serve like most Fe is presented to be. I am far too selective, particular, and choosy to where I put my energy. I am not going to waste my time on something that won't make progress. If I try to help someone, and the reject it, can't keep up with what is expected or agreed upon, I stop.

    At the same token I am not that particular at efficiency. Sometimes the things I do in the way I do them aren't efficient. They simply work because I know them well, it makes me feel good. I try to be impersonal in all matters, but I make a concerted effort to do so in a number of cases. The more of a rapport I have with someone, the harder time I have being that way. Additionally, socially I am extremely tactful, and I care quite a great deal about the delivery of information for a lot of reasons. Most of which are for my own comfort, and the comfort of others, not just for the sake of being efficient (though to me it seems to be that way).

    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    That's almost the exact same for me. (Though I would say I do get uncomfortable in terms of feeling a bit drained & I snap out of head easily and automatically if something comes up in the environment)

    What kind of problems does it cause for you?
    Ah, it's not as easy for me. Even if I do appear to snap out of it, it takes time for me to feel it. It simply causes me to become depressed, worry over issues present in my life and of things that could go wrong because I haven't done something. A lot of "what if?" creeps in, and overall I just start to feel anxious and shitty for no reason. Definitely if I can't find something to distract myself with.
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    @Hard

    The way that male enfjs act doesn't always seem like what you'd expect someone who is Fe dominant.
    Not like the ditzy esfj.

    I had a good friend who is an enfj who i never thought of as a feeler for a second because of the "intellectual" vibe he gave off. He later took the test and I learned more about mbti, then it matched up.

    He was stubborn, controlling, loved to take part in convos that were considered intellectually stimulating, and of course is a very intelligient guy (by my standards at least). Additionally, he was always very friendly and pleasant to be around.

    With him, the F really showed itself through his extreme moodiness and his interactions with people.

    I'll stop before I start to ramble, just trying to make the point that enfjs really don't seem like feelers in one way, but in another way are clearly F doms.

    Decisive, controlling, friendly, and curious are all characteristics of the enfjs that I know in real life.

    Hoping this helps. I could be totally off about you, but you really seem enfj to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    *rolls eyes*. It sounds like a lot of conspisy theory mindset ideas without actually overtly stating them.

    Though I do agree, it's a dark world. My plan is (and has been), if society starts to crumble, and shit hits the fan, I'll just go into lab, synthesize 10 grams of barbital, off myself and that will be that.

    Society is just a system that we have to live under because that is how the world is structured. It's either adapt, or perish. Everyone has their methods of doing so, and some are better than others. It's not worth it to me to live in fear that everything is being puppeteared and controlled, and it largely doesn't make sense that it would happen.

    I've made peace with the way the world is. I'm sticking around until it looks like it's all gonna unravel.
    You're a bit showy with your love of chemistry. INTJ's don't generally feel the need to brag about their interests. They'll spill their guts about their professions and pastimes only if you ask them.

    ENFJ's love showing off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collierm48 View Post
    @Hard

    The way that male enfjs act doesn't seem like what you'd expect someone who is Fe dominant to be at all.
    Not like the ditzy esfj.

    I had a good friend who is an enfj who i never thought of as a feeler for a second because of the "intellectual" vibe he gave off. He later took the test, and I learned more about mbti and it all matched up.

    He was very stubborn, controlling, loved to take part in convos that were considered to be intellectually stimulating, and of course is a very intelligient guy by my standards. Additionally, he was always very friendly and pleasant to be around.

    With him, the F really showed itself through his extreme moodiness and his interactions with people.

    I'll stop before I start to ramble, just trying to make the point that enfjs really don't seem like feelers in one way, but in another way are clearly F doms.

    Decisive, controlling, friendly, and curious are all characteristics of the enfjs that I know in real life.

    Hoping this helps. I could be totally off about you, but you really seem enfj to me.
    You are on point, and I do understand this. That said, I am going off the sort of "stereotypical" understanding of Fe. Mostly that I don't seem to have many of the classical drives that most Fe doms have. I seem to have more drives that Te doms have.

    The main parts that makes me lean away from Fe, is I consider myself to be a highly logical person, and too cold to be Fe dom. Yet, I am too warm to be Te. One thing that is making me lean to Fe a bit more is my desire for connection with others, and to feel levels of understanding. It means a lot to me. I wish I had a video of me teaching my students, I think that would be most illuminating because not only is it me explaining things so my thought patterns emerge, but I am also addressing a group. I am going to have to reflect on my style a bit more, but I think it might be a bit more Fe.

    As a side note. Many years back when I was questioning my type, I noticed a curious pattern. Most of the F types saw me as a T, and most of the T types saw me as an F. Seeing this show up again kinds makes me laugh :alltongue:.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Hmm... most of my childhood involved me looking, talking, and acting like dennis the menace. I'm currently trying to figure out my type (it's stuck between ENFJ or ENTJ). Either way:

    Me:

    - Designing rather elaborate ways to play tag around town with kids in my neighborhood.

    - Designing games to play with friends/people. So many games.

    - Playing school with friends and always being the principal.

    - Always wanting to be the leader.

    - Bursting into tears if I lost at anything (mostly preschool/kindergarten)
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    And your profile picture fits the hobbies of ENFJs pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilogen View Post
    You're a bit showy with your love of chemistry. INTJ's don't generally feel the need to brag about their interests. They'll spill their guts about their professions and pastimes only if you ask them.

    ENFJ's love showing off.
    Yep. I love to share the things that I love and care about. It's fun. I definitely have no qualms about spilling my guts. I have some parts of myself I keep locked up for many reasons. Yet, I am by and large very self-disclosing and candid. A lot of the questions this guy poses I chuckled at because I did relate to in some regard. He is joking around but one particular thing that he mentioned was the theatrics.

    When I tell stories, I am very animated. I put on a show, I emphasize things for effect and to convey things as I see fit. I have had some people in the past tell me "why is everything with you so dramatic?" I don't see it that way, but it's been proposed by several people.

    My presence can often make a scene, but mostly only if I know the people I am around.
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    @Hard

    Lol, yeah. If you look at famous/tv ENFJs (or at least those widely considered to be enfj), they seem pretty darn logical. Pretty sure it has something to do with Ni. I've always thought of it as "the smartest function"
    ....idk.

    Tony Robbins is an ENFJ, so are Richard Branson and Oprah.
    All seem really logical to me. I think the way that the F ties in is that they work extremely well with people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collierm48 View Post
    @Hard

    Lol, yeah. If you look at famous/tv ENFJs (or at least those widely considered to be enfj), they seem pretty darn logical. Pretty sure it has something to do with Ni. I've always thought of it as "the smartest function"
    ....idk.

    Tony Robbins is an ENFJ, so are Richard Branson and Oprah.
    All seem really logical to me. I think the way that the F ties in is that they work extremely well with people.
    A big thing that clinches it: My PhD advisor is an ENFJ, and it's commonly talked about in the department how similar we are. Our speech patter is identical almost, and from across the room sometimes people mistake me for him. It's kinda funny. We get along super well, and sometimes, he comes across as very Te, but ultimately isn't his dominant function. It sort of depends on the day. His Se is much stronger than mine though.

    Most of the arguments given here towards ENFJ seem sound. I have yet to hear a good one towards ENTJ besides folks saying they think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    A big thing that clinches it: My PhD advisor is an ENFJ, and it's commonly talked about in the department how similar we are. Our speech patter is identical almost, and from across the room sometimes people mistake me for him. It's kinda funny. We get along super well, and sometimes, he comes across as very Te, but ultimately isn't his dominant function. It sort of depends on the day. His Se is much stronger than mine though.

    Most of the arguments given here towards ENFJ seem sound. I have yet to hear a good one towards ENTJ besides folks saying they think so.
    Do you and said advisor feel as though you are on the same wavelength a lot? Like you both reach highly similar conclusions to problems and you usually understand his thinking pattern without any extra processing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Do you and said advisor feel as though you are on the same wavelength a lot? Like you both reach highly similar conclusions to problems and you usually understand his thinking pattern without any extra processing?
    Ha! Our mental processes are like carbon copies of each other. Same lines of thinking, same pitfalls, same style of "insights". Sometimes we need to reexplain things to each other, but ultimately we will get on the same page very very fast. He's worlds more emotionally stable than I am (he's got SO much energy), and I am much more proactive against "mistakes" than he is which can cause misunderstandings. Ultimately though we get each other quite well. He's also very political (but fair) with his job (also dept. chair) and is damn good at it, and I totally totally get how and why he does it, and would do the same.
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