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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    fear of abandonment
    I see.

    Although,I can't say I relate to them in that aspect,if the other person leaves then so be it;screw them.

    That's probably just my 8-fix manifesting itself though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsunderes View Post
    In regards to 4 I relate to their feelings of shame,of being defective,their romanticism,being aware of their own emotions,as well as their integration and disintegration points.When I was younger I always felt that I wasn't like my peers,like I was fucked up in some way that made me awkward,and inept in comparison.I think this was due to my being very sensitive from an early age,in tandem with being rejected by certain people early on,I've never truly been able to get over/cope with that.Whereas before I felt I was defective,now I have come to accept myself for what I am,and understand that there's nothing wrong with me,it's just the way I am.
    This sounds like a core 4 issue to me, though I'm wondering if you've ALWAYS had the perception of being different and "wrong", or if it was others' treatment of you that led to this? If you're a core 4, you should have very early memories of touching upon this. Speaking for myself, I believe that 4 is my secondary fix for these reasons. Strongly relate, but others had to activate these feelings.

    The only thing I don't relate to is 4's aversion to conflict,but maybe that's just because of my tritype.
    Who says 4s are conflict averse?

    Now for 6.I relate to 6's need to face their fears;I have to come to suspect that I have a bit of social anxiety,people have always made me extremely nervous and I really detest talking to strangers.Once more,going back to my younger days,I used to go to great lengths to avoid having to interact with people(ie. skipping school,ditching class)for fear that they would notice my anxiety,therefore I would run away from my fears.As I have grown,I've learned to enjoy pushing myself to do things I am afraid of such as interacting with people when necessary,I've learned to hide my anxiety mildly well,and appear relatively at ease,although I still haven't figured out how to stop myself from blushing when someone catches me off-guard,haha.All in all,I like pushing myself to do things I don't want to/am afraid of,I see them as a challenge or a chance to improve myself.
    However,I do not relate to 6's loyalist,rule abiding nature,but that may be because I'm an Sx first?I also do not relate to it's disintegration point for certain,and I'm pretty sure I don't relate to it's integration point very well either.
    Based on this, I don't see much evidence for 6 at all. Sixes don't just walk around as a ball of anxiety or anything--any type can do that. Especially social anxiety--MANY people experience this. What 6s experience is existential anxiety--the sense that life is insecure and things can always go wrong. Hence, they tend to walk around in that frame of mind. If you find that that sort of realism is big in your life, you may be a core 6.

    Also, yeah, not all 6s are mind-cloned "loyalists"--some are rebellious and seek to stir the pot rather than follow along. So, it may help you to determine how much you engage in that as well.

    A good question to help determine the difference would be--What is your relationship with your emotions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsunderes View Post
    Interesting...yes I've heard that,I think it's especially applicable towards Sx 6's,as I've heard they are the most rebellious 6(*hopes rising*).
    Although I actually,naturally have a mistrust/lack of respect for authority,I always assume power to bring out the worst in others.
    Overall,I've never been inclined to trust my elders/authority figures,they're all human,and all humans are corrupt/capable of corruption.
    I've got a 6 wing and I'm sx dom. I dont love rules because I trust authority or am loyal. I love rules because they define success and failure. Its the uncertainty in not knowing how to succeed that gets my 6 anxious. Luckily pedantic rules make that job easy for me and soothe anxiety. But I dont trust authority, in fact I mistrust it because it can be capricious and random in what it wants and what it punishes. Clearly defined rules help to manage that capriciousness for me. Just some insight into the motivation behind the behaviour.

    I also like to undermine authority but I have to do it while flying under the radar because I dont trust myself to get away with any kind of overt challenge.

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    You seem like a four to me.

    By the way, I see you're still undecided about your MBTI type, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    You seem like a four to me.

    By the way, I see you're still undecided about your MBTI type, why?
    Well,it's actually kind of the same reason I was unsure that I was a four...do I want to be an N just to be rare or am I really an N?Once again,I want to know what I really am.
    Also,I know someone who I'm pretty sure is an INFP,and she's my literal opposite...so I have no idea anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsunderes View Post
    Well,it's actually kind of the same reason I was unsure that I was a four...do I want to be an N just to be rare or am I really an N?Once again,I want to know what I really am.
    Also,I know someone who I'm pretty sure is an INFP,and she's my literal opposite...so I have no idea anymore.
    Which functions do you think you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    This sounds like a core 4 issue to me, though I'm wondering if you've ALWAYS had the perception of being different and "wrong", or if it was others' treatment of you that led to this? If you're a core 4, you should have very early memories of touching upon this. Speaking for myself, I believe that 4 is my secondary fix for these reasons. Strongly relate, but others had to activate these feelings.


    Who says 4s are conflict averse?


    Based on this, I don't see much evidence for 6 at all. Sixes don't just walk around as a ball of anxiety or anything--any type can do that. Especially social anxiety--MANY people experience this. What 6s experience is existential anxiety--the sense that life is insecure and things can always go wrong. Hence, they tend to walk around in that frame of mind. If you find that that sort of realism is big in your life, you may be a core 6.

    Also, yeah, not all 6s are mind-cloned "loyalists"--some are rebellious and seek to stir the pot rather than follow along. So, it may help you to determine how much you engage in that as well.

    A good question to help determine the difference would be--What is your relationship with your emotions?
    I've always had these feelings,from a very young age I've felt like there was something fundamentally wrong with me,it actually had nothing to do with how others treated me,in fact I've always believed I've brought all the bullying and teasing that's happened in my life upon myself,I didn't know how to cope with my strangeness, so I let it all seep through the cracks,and of course then everyone noticed how easy of a target I was after that. I've noticed now that I keep my distance and hide my self-pity from others,people have left me alone.

    I read that in some description of them.

    My relationship with my emotions,is very good I believe;I always know what I am feeling,I embrace them,and I am very good about expressing them.All in all,I think I have a pretty healthy relationship with my emotions,I've always been able to understand them very well,I'm always aware of them, and feel them very deeply.Although the latter has caused me a lot of distress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    Which functions do you think you use?
    Fi,I am very certain about that one.
    The problem is I am not sure whether I use Ne or Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsunderes View Post
    Fi,I am very certain about that one.
    The problem is I am not sure whether I use Ne or Se.
    There is a similar conversation going on about Ni and Si. While these functions are ultimately distinct, I think there must be a lot of overlap on the most fundamental level. Extraverted perception is extraverted perception.
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    I think you're an INFP, I'm going by your socionics type.

    Fi + Ne.

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