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    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    Okay. It's one of the types I've considered. Although, I'm leaning away from it because I'm not warm and a few other descriptions listed for the type. I can relate with some though. I suspect this might be because I'm borderline F/T. I appreciate the input.

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    Okay... I went to an INFJ thread...... and I can say now with conviction... No. *shivers* I'm kind but not THAT kind. That's what my siggy reminds you of? Ugh.
    Don't let the stereotypes influence you. Hitler was INFJ

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    I'll go with INTJ for now. It's what makes sense to me the most. What I thought was Ne might have easily been Te being aided by another function. If it works with facts. Then yes. I was using facts strategically. I can relate with Ni more. Fi because I've always been picky when it comes to people. Se in the inferior slot would explain why I've never really felt fully there. Most of my life felt like I was in a dream. Hovering over reality. It's only recently that I've started appreciating the present moment. And I do not have much of the sentimentality of Si. So it's INTJ for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger055 View Post
    Don't let the stereotypes influence you. Hitler was INFJ
    Was he? Well, as they say... "The people with the greatest capacity for good are the ones with the greatest capacity for evil." Heh.

    -There was one I disagreed with about INFJ. The system-building with people. I don't do that. I've never and do not intend to do that. I'm better with things vs people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    Could you point out specifically what in my responses led you to this conclusion? And the specific cognitive functions I was using and provide a definition for them for comparison. I would like to understand more.
    Dominant Ne : ability to see alternate realities/perspectives, how events may play out, shifting perspective to confuse opponent (also enables you to be a convincing liar if you abuse it), desire to know "what happens if I push this button?", you also seem to gain satisfaction from discovering these rules and alternate ideas...

    Auxillary Ti : internal data analysis (You may be taking notes cause your analysis process is internal and you do not want to forget them...I do this much more frequently cause my Ti is much weaker...It's much harder for me to recall a good idea/thought if I do not write it down somewhere)

    Tertiary Fe : your desire to connect with and (influence/charm/control) people and the society as a whole to propel yourself towards your goals...As it gets stronger, you will be able to use it with much more efficiency in tandem with your Ne...it will basically mean "How people react when I do X, Y, Z...etc"...Don't abuse it... )

    Inferior Se : Ability to go with the flow of external environment, using overt body language, ability to manipulate immediate (physical) environment...In the inferior position: Being irritated with/allergic to arrogant use of body language, extreme sensory data like loud noise, bright light, clumsy etc...

    You Si (which I associate with ability to recall sensory data) is the weakest (8th) function in your stack (in case of ENTPs) that's why your friends may be telling you things about you that you do not recall yourself...It may also get inflamed when you are under stress...playing back traumatic events from your past (that made you feel weak/vulnerable)...


    Sorry it appears I was wrong...Si is the inferior function for ENTPs...

    Inferior Si : ability to recall sensory data? in the inferior position...being irritated with circumstances that require memorizing or having to recall past sensory data like what happened when, where you left something? I do not know exactly to be honest...Does ENTP's have (traumatic?) memories that they do not want to recall...Is that why they are allergic to Si?

    What I wrote about Se and inferior Se may be correct though...it just is not one of ENTP main functions...


    Check the belowgiven site...it shows some typings for each type (not very accurate IMO) as well as the graph of each types cognitive functions...

    http://www.celebritytypes.com/intj.php (INTJs have this tense, mimicless (paralyzed?), angry like look on their faces...and stern facial features...check Ayn Rand and Jodie Foster for instance...Addendum: Nikola Tesla listed as INTJ therein is actually an ENTP I guess...)

    http://www.celebritytypes.com/entp.php (ENTPs have more playful demeanor that also reflects on their faces thru Fe I believe...they are more like naughty children in demeanor...Check Hugh Laurie and Jeremy Clarkson for instance)

    I sense/feel a more playful persona in you than an INTP or INTJ...

    Quote Originally Posted by badger055
    Don't let the stereotypes influence you. Hitler was INFJ...
    I sometimes can see how I have the potential to turn into an authoritarian person and dictate/impose my own version of ideal society on people but I (and other INFJs I believe) do not have that much presence as well as desire/drive to be at the centre of attention and at the driver's seat for as long as Hitler did...INFJs are much more passive/subtle in their influence...I do not want to control/manipulate people to adapt my ideals, I want them to adapt my ideals because "they" themselves desire to to do so on their own...because the former is insustainable in my absence and the latter is independent of me...will sustain itself even when I am long gone...

    I believe Hitler may infact be an unhealthy/troubled ENFJ...who thought he was doing what's best for his (ideal of) German people...not that I condone his actions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger055 View Post
    Nope just your sig. I find that more reliable than information you cherry picked about yourself.
    Eh that's not the best method. If I had a bunch of random things in my signature that highlighted the things I align with andstuff (I don't use words for this, more images), they would likely get me very very wrong.

    Or maybe I am full of hot air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Dominant Ne : ability to see alternate realities/perspectives, how events may play out, shifting perspective to confuse opponent (also enables you to be a convincing liar if you abuse it),
    Isn't this common with most NT's?

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    desire to know "what happens if I push this button?", you also seem to gain satisfaction from discovering these rules and alternate ideas...
    I don't really push buttons. The way I acquire my knowledge, if the information isn't in the written form, is through observing what is around me. If this means I experiment with the responses of people... then I don't do this. People are tiring enough as it is. Is the satisfaction related or exclusive to Ne?

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post

    Auxillary Ti : internal data analysis (You may be taking notes cause your analysis process is internal and you do not want to forget them...I do this much more frequently cause my Ti is much weaker...It's much harder for me to recall a good idea/thought if I do not write it down somewhere)
    I see. That's one reason I write things down. But its not the main reason... I write things down so they are more organized. So that they make sense. And when I look at what I've written... I will try to understand it. Then when I do... that's it. I rarely go back to my notes since I already have internalized the basic idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post

    Tertiary Fe : your desire to connect with and (influence/charm/control) people and the society as a whole to propel yourself towards your goals...As it gets stronger, you will be able to use it with much more efficiency in tandem with your Ne...it will basically mean "How people react when I do X, Y, Z...etc"...Don't abuse it... )
    I would not say I desire to control them. The opportunity, in the examples I have given, just presented itself. It's more like I need to do A to get to B.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Inferior Se : Ability to go with the flow of external environment, using overt body language, ability to manipulate immediate (physical) environment...In the inferior position: Being irritated with/allergic to arrogant use of body language, extreme sensory data like loud noise, bright light, clumsy etc...

    You Si (which I associate with ability to recall sensory data) is the weakest (8th) function in your stack (in case of ENTPs) that's why your friends may be telling you things about you that you do not recall yourself...It may also get inflamed when you are under stress...playing back traumatic events from your past (that made you feel weak/vulnerable)...


    Sorry it appears I was wrong...Si is the inferior function for ENTPs...

    Inferior Si : ability to recall sensory data? in the inferior position...being irritated with circumstances that require memorizing or having to recall past sensory data like what happened when, where you left something? I do not know exactly to be honest...Does ENTP's have (traumatic?) memories that they do not want to recall...Is that why they are allergic to Si?

    What I wrote about Se and inferior Se may be correct though...it just is not one of ENTP main functions...
    Okay. I've read a few things about Si. It seems, people who have it in the inferior position, are usually forgetful. This is when it isn't developed.

    Si: "Reviewing and recalling past experiences and seeking detailed data."
    Hence, they forget... because it's in the inferior position. From the example I have provided... then I understand how you might assume I use this. However, the example I've given was about something that occurred almost 8 years ago. And the thing was... I knew I said it... when she brought it up. A mental image came up briefly... and I didn't correct her cause I felt she was telling the truth. And I felt I did say it. My memory is not bad... if that's what this means.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Check the belowgiven site...it shows some typings for each type (not very accurate IMO) as well as the graph of each types cognitive functions...

    http://www.celebritytypes.com/intj.php (INTJs have this tense, mimicless (paralyzed?), angry like look on their faces...and stern facial features...check Ayn Rand and Jodie Foster for instance...Addendum: Nikola Tesla listed as INTJ therein is actually an ENTP I guess...)

    http://www.celebritytypes.com/entp.php (ENTPs have more playful demeanor that also reflects on their faces thru Fe I believe...they are more like naughty children in demeanor...Check Hugh Laurie and Jeremy Clarkson for instance)
    Okay... with this one. I did pose with little emotion in pictures before. But I've read some articles online in my attempt at self-improvement that led to some changes. People who smile are seen as more open. So I smile more these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I sense/feel a more playful persona in you than an INTP or INTJ...
    I believe it's because I enjoy a good sense of humor. Don't we all?
    However, I will try to explain it. The ENTP humor for me is... different from the one I use. While they enjoy coming up with seemingly absurd, ridiculous, out of this world ideas... I enjoy wit. I like a good witty banter. My humor isn't too peculiar or different. I employ references to popular culture... catchphrases, etc. which is Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Eh that's not the best method. If I had a bunch of random things in my signature that highlighted the things I align with andstuff (I don't use words for this, more images), they would likely get me very very wrong.

    Or maybe I am full of hot air.
    I concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    Isn't this common with most NT's?
    I "think" it is mostly a Ne-dom ability...

    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    I don't really push buttons. The way I acquire my knowledge, if the information isn't in the written form, is through observing what is around me. If this means I experiment with the responses of people... then I don't do this. People are tiring enough as it is. Is the satisfaction related or exclusive to Ne?
    If you are obseving human interactions and drawing conclusions from them such as people react to X in the form of Y and noticing patterns...It may be Ne...Based on my assumption you are still developing your Fe-tert...

    The satisfaction may rather be related to "Ti" perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    I see. That's one reason I write things down. But its not the main reason... I write things down so they are more organized. So that they make sense. And when I look at what I've written... I will try to understand it. Then when I do... that's it. I rarely go back to my notes since I already have internalized the basic idea.
    By writing things down do you mean you take simplified notes of ideas that are revolving in your head? Or you develop detailed charts and schedules...Is what you write down more symbolic (the essence of it) or more detailed?

    I am puzzled I must say...

    Do you sweat over GPA and future occupation? Did you plan 5-10 years ahead? Are you ambitious for success or are you obsessed with knowledge for the sake of knowledge? I mean is gaining knowledge an aim or a tool for you?

    What kind of things stress you? How do you act under stress?

    What do you do in your free time mainly?

    What kinds of tv show characters/actresses do you identify yourself with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    If you are obseving human interactions and drawing conclusions from them such as people react to X in the form of Y and noticing patterns...It may be Ne...Based on my assumption you are still developing your Fe-tert...

    The satisfaction may rather be related to "Ti" perhaps...
    I don't draw conclusions from my observation. I validate my suspicions through it. Since I don't have any idea about it... I will come up with a guess. And then I will observe the environment. For example, the first time I met my supervisor... I got a vibe from her like something is askew. After that, I will just wait and collect data to see if that vibe had any basis.


    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    By writing things down do you mean you take simplified notes of ideas that are revolving in your head? Or you develop detailed charts and schedules...Is what you write down more symbolic (the essence of it) or more detailed?
    Yeah. I summarize the main points. Detailed charts not so much because it would be a waste of time... and the information doesn't need to be charted usually. I schedule, yeah. For example, if I needed to learn something. I would give myself 2 days. And within that 2 days, I would take into account the limitations of the human brain. So I put in timed breaks... 15-30 minutes every after 2 hours. I write down what I think is the most important. The "gist" of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I am puzzled I must say...

    Do you sweat over GPA and future occupation? Did you plan 5-10 years ahead? Are you ambitious for success or are you obsessed with knowledge for the sake of knowledge? I mean is gaining knowledge an aim or a tool for you?
    i have already planned most things i want to do in the future. i've already even imagined how i want my old age to be like. i want to still be mobile when i'm old. so i lead a healthy lifestyle. i have my own idea of what success means. Hm. Personally, I think, random collection of knowledge... doesn't make sense. That knowledge should be applied. It should not go to waste.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    What kind of things stress you? How do you act under stress?
    -i act aimless.

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    What do you do in your free time mainly?
    - i read a lot. i wish i could read more and imagine more. i like learning how things work in my immediate environment as well. i have a thing for technology

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    What kinds of tv show characters/actresses do you identify yourself with?
    -The major in Ghost in the Shell

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    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    I don't draw conclusions from my observation. I validate my suspicions through it. Since I don't have any idea about it... I will come up with a guess. And then I will observe the environment. For example, the first time I met my supervisor... I got a vibe from her like something is askew. After that, I will just wait and collect data to see if that vibe had any basis.
    There goes nothing...Here's another wild guess...mostly based on your Major Kusunagi association...You may be an ISTP...They have auxillary Se (reading information from physical environment...and acting out in the physical environment)

    You may be reading other people's body languages (auras?)...They also have tertiary Ni...Perhaps you intuition is also helping you notice and associate certain Se readings with certain human behaviour...They have dominant Ti...which means you are gathering more data on your suspicions...to see if they fit...

    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    Yeah. I summarize the main points. Detailed charts not so much because it would be a waste of time... and the information doesn't need to be charted usually. I schedule, yeah. For example, if I needed to learn something. I would give myself 2 days. And within that 2 days, I would take into account the limitations of the human brain. So I put in timed breaks... 15-30 minutes every after 2 hours. I write down what I think is the most important. The "gist" of it.
    The gist of it thing is Ti I guess...Think Te like you are vomiting out your thoughts into externally structured forms...Ni helps to crunch data to more edible forms (gist)...Then you are consuming those Ni crunched data thru Ti? (integrating it to your main Ti framework)...

    Ni-dom framework is more fuzzy...can jump from A to F (without knowing how and then tries to backtrack it either thru Ti internal analysis or Te external output)...whereas Ti-dom framework is more concrete/linear...goes more like A-B-C-D-E-F...

    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    i have already planned most things i want to do in the future. i've already even imagined how i want my old age to be like. i want to still be mobile when i'm old. so i lead a healthy lifestyle. i have my own idea of what success means. Hm. Personally, I think, random collection of knowledge... doesn't make sense. That knowledge should be applied. It should not go to waste.
    ISTPs like action, tools, mechanics, sports...they have nimble but robust low fat bodies...they are good at engineering...clint eastwood is the epitome of ISTPs...check his facial features to see if they fit...they have this angry emotionless look...(inferior Fe?)

    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    i like learning how things work in my immediate environment as well. i have a thing for technology
    Hardware or software (ISTP or INTJ?)..?

    ******

    The things you told about seeing ways to manipulate people may be (in the case of ISTP) physical manipulation thru Se rather than trial error manipulation thru Ne...by using body language perhaps...

    ISTPs inferior Fe may mean you may be acting offensively (thru lack of mimics or warmth) against other even when you do not aim to...

    ISTP females are tomboys I guess? Are you?

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