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    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    If I keep on the track I was on... achieving my goals would be difficult. Because I will always have to deal with people.
    My guess is the third function in your cognitive functions, your Fe inferior (the first and second strongest are usually referred to as dominant function (dom) and auxillary function (aux) here in the forum), is starting to develop...

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    Is it like the guy's stroking her ego (like praising her, calling her beautiful, sexy, [insert positive adjective]? And does she seem to be aware of that happening?

    So does her interactions feel more naturally flowing whereas yours feel more "mechanical/artificial"...?

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    but I'm painfully aware that the outer world can be easily controlled... so many people are just oblivious to it or lazy.
    Controlled how for instance? Te control is much more straightforward (overt)...Is it thru more covert (undercover/subtle) means?

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    How did you develop this distrust in people's reliability (in terms of information/knowledge)?

    The achievement thing...is it like as if you have just solved a puzzle or mystery?

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    -In relation to other people around... I truly fear having to rely on them. It makes me anxious or irritates me sometimes when I know they are incorrect yet they are unaware of it and proud. Especially when it's someone who should know what they are talking about. And I'm just... "this is the best humanity has to offer?"... "please, let the answer to that be no.".
    Do you have an irritation towards being (not necessarily permanently) put under or having to submit to someone else's authority (like the college dean, professor, security personnel)?...or abiding by the rules that you deem unnecessary/trivial?

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    -i have this friend who tested ISFJ. and sometimes she would say I said certain things that I can't remember. But with further probing... sometimes a feeling would bubble up and I would get the thought that yeah... I said those things. So... I can't explain it. I would just tell my friend that I don't remember though... it's easier.
    Do you feel that you kinda live in the moment and do not dwell too much on the past?

    [Based on a real description by RL friend] Does it feel like multiple people/voices are holding a conference in your head when concentrating on an issue? Like several ideas/perspectives are rushing/racing in your mind simultaneously?

    That same friend also has a habit of forgetting (or putting behind) what he has said in earlier instances...It feels to me as if his mind is geared towards short term, fast and deadly accurate analysis of whatever situation is intriguing him at that specific moment and is then discarded/forgotten when it ceases to amaze/intrigue him any longer...

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    I believe as you age (like 26-27) your Fe-inf will get more stronger and you'll find yourself to be able to feel the pulse of people much better (like what triggers them, what makes them happy, laugh etc.) and you'll be able to conjure up witty stories in an instant that will make whatever crowd you are with at the moment burst into laughter...You'll also find that it can also be used to hurt and/or drive people away, sadly...

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    ...I shut my friend out. And then the next thing I heard was my friend saying "Hey, you suddenly stopped talking. What happened?". It's like I mentally vacated the premises.
    Like a hiding spot in your mind that you take refuge in?

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    2.) When my grandmother shared my room. She would tell stories... a lot of them. And I would just lie there in bed... with actual tightening in my chest... wishing that she would just stop.
    Could it be you are irritated by too much sensory information (like talking, detailed descriptions of events...)? Perhaps your bra @look.sky.ward Oops this is the remnant of an unfinished thought I guess...can't remember where I was going with that though?

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    Were you irritated more by their unreliability or lack of qualification or by their small talk and chit chat? What negative thought popped into your mind to make you leave them? Did you fear that you were losing control and would act irrationally?

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    And a few more "weird" questions from me?

    Do you have a habit of not tying your shoe laces or not really giving a damn about what you wear?

    Are you irritated by being hugged or close contact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Offensive how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Offensive how?
    Interpersonally. Whatever, if at all, comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Is it like the guy's stroking her ego (like praising her, calling her beautiful, sexy, [insert positive adjective]? And does she seem to be aware of that happening?

    So does her interactions feel more naturally flowing whereas yours feel more "mechanical/artificial"...?
    Yeah... flirting is what it's called. It felt like they had an understanding and I wasn't in on it. I was aware though that all of it was bs... so I didn't pursue it.

    I've read some more about Fi... it says...
    "It is often hard to assign words to the values used to make introverted Feeling judgments since they are often associated with images, feeling tones, and gut reactions more than words."

    When I initially meet a person... the most I could rely on is their vibe. Like... this guy feels heavy or that girl is closed... or just something is off about this person. I've learned to not use these kinds of descriptions because people are confused by them. I still use this though secretly in choosing who I would want to deal with... of course I supplement these gut feelings with data from my interactions with them. when I try to remember a friend. It's their vibe that is most vivid to me.


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    Controlled how for instance? Te control is much more straightforward (overt)...Is it thru more covert (undercover/subtle) means?
    Like I directly try to control my environment. I don't control everything but the ones I can... I try to. I mentioned I like to build things... same with organizing and coming up with plans. It's nice to look at what I've done (finished product)... like looking at a masterpiece.

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    How did you develop this distrust in people's reliability (in terms of information/knowledge)?

    The achievement thing...is it like as if you have just solved a puzzle or mystery?
    because I've seen with my own eyes people's fallibility. I've dealt with so many people who thought better of themselves but the reality was contradictory... and as I've learned more about the world. This is often the case.
    most of the time i know more... i have more data cause I continue my research, I'm continually learning... while most people allow themselves to stagnate.

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    Do you have an irritation towards being (not necessarily permanently) put under or having to submit to someone else's authority (like the college dean, professor, security personnel)?...or abiding by the rules that you deem unnecessary/trivial?
    I have no problem being governed as long as the governance makes sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Do you feel that you kinda live in the moment and do not dwell too much on the past?
    it's kind of different now... because I've started to train myself to focus on the present. but I daydream a lot about the future. the things i could do. but I know now that without being grounded on reality... those dreams will never enter the realm of reality.

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    [Based on a real description by RL friend] Does it feel like multiple people/voices are holding a conference in your head when concentrating on an issue? Like several ideas/perspectives are rushing/racing in your mind simultaneously?
    hmm... not really. i usually just sit there and wait for something to happen. when I want to understand an issue... i read and read and read and reaaad and contemplate... and then... something will just hit me. a different perspective... or a new idea. usually it's something obvious that people surprisingly couldn't see, then I would have the pleasure of pointing it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    That same friend also has a habit of forgetting (or putting behind) what he has said in earlier instances...It feels to me as if his mind is geared towards short term, fast and deadly accurate analysis of whatever situation is intriguing him at that specific moment and is then discarded/forgotten when it ceases to amaze/intrigue him any longer...



    I believe as you age (like 26-27) your Fe-inf will get more stronger and you'll find yourself to be able to feel the pulse of people much better (like what triggers them, what makes them happy, laugh etc.) and you'll be able to conjure up witty stories in an instant that will make whatever crowd you are with at the moment burst into laughter...You'll also find that it can also be used to hurt and/or drive people away, sadly...
    -hah! wit is a quality i would very much like to possess.

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    Like a hiding spot in your mind that you take refuge in?
    it was like everything vanished. it's something that has happened to me several times before(like when im focusing on something). the world completely vanishes.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Could it be you are irritated by too much sensory information (like talking, detailed descriptions of events...)? Perhaps your bra
    but i wasn't wearing a bra O.o jk

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    Were you irritated more by their unreliability or lack of qualification or by their small talk and chit chat? What negative thought popped into your mind to make you leave them? Did you fear that you were losing control and would act irrationally?
    -that they would affect my grade. i had a goal then... of getting a good grade at the end of that semester. i just didn't want to deal with the... err... nonsense. I don't know... I felt claustrophobic... in the last two examples... my chest literally tightened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post

    And a few more "weird" questions from me?

    Do you have a habit of not tying your shoe laces or not really giving a damn about what you wear?

    Are you irritated by being hugged or close contact?
    I choose shoes that don't have shoelaces... cause they are a hazard and I don't want to have to tie them every time. lol I give a damn a little... about what I wear. Eheh.

    Close contact is okay. But I'm not used to it. I don't mind it.

    that's a lot of questions. haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Interpersonally. Whatever, if at all, comes to mind.
    No, I am most of the time neutral and then some of the time on the defensive...which may turn into offensive if pushed too much...

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    It's OK if you don't answer some of these questions as they may be intruding upon your privacy...

    Quote Originally Posted by look.sky.ward View Post
    This^ could be Ni analyzing sensory data as well...

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    *Give an example to controlling your environment please, like something you do frequently?

    *What about controlling people?

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    I have no problem being governed as long as the governance makes sense.
    *What makes sense and what doesn't? What if it doesn't? What do you do then? How do you cope?

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    *What's most recurring daydream/theme?

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    Would you consider yourself an introvert? Are you energized with being around people or on your own? I am have, in your case, started leaning more towards introversion...

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    but i wasn't wearing a bra O.o jk
    Sorry...it was a typo...

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    Well, I am confused now... Did you take any tests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Well, I am confused now... Did you take any tests?
    Yeah. Online tests... the first result I got was INTP. Afterward, I got varied results.

    I'll answer the rest of the questions tomorrow! It's late here. And I would like for my answers to be thought through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    *Give an example to controlling your environment please, like something you do frequently?

    *What about controlling people?
    1.) My day. I usually time my day... estimating how much time a certain activity would take. And then I prioritize them in order. With things... I have customized certain furnitures, and organized certain things in accordance to a personal categorization(like how much I use the item, or what kind they are).

    2.) With people... um. There was this one kid who I thought was bored and needed a little push to do that thing I knew she wanted to do. So... I provided her the reason. And now she's excited to finally be allowed to do that thing. My grandmother as well... I wanted her to get me these delicious looking biscuits. So I did something... and then she got me the biscuits.

    I used to control people like that but not that much anymore... cause... I feel evil when I do.

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    *What makes sense and what doesn't? What if it doesn't? What do you do then? How do you cope?
    - it would make sense if it meets its goal. a governance that intends to promote or achieve something, if it's successful in doing that without the bs... then I would be fine with it. at work is a good example for this... there are a lot of rules that are, to me, extraneous. so I don't have much deference toward my supervisors. what i do though... since i don't have much choice... is just figure out how to make things efficient for me. my goal with my supervisors is for them to see me as competent so in the future... i can write them down as a reference for my job applications.

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    *What's most recurring daydream/theme?
    - i have these plans that i want to carry out in the future... regarding the legacy that i want to leave this earth. err.

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    Would you consider yourself an introvert? Are you energized with being around people or on your own? I am have, in your case, started leaning more towards introversion...
    -aye! me too. i'm only energized if the exposure is not protracted. otherwise, i'm exhausted.

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    OP = more INTJ than I am

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    OP = more INTJ than I am
    ahaha! that's a good thing, i hope.

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