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    Quote Originally Posted by sworm09 View Post
    I need to specify a few things first lol. Last night I was explaining this on my phone. Now that I'm at a laptop I can really explain.

    Going back to the previous question about empathy I said that I don't feel what others are feeling, but I do know and care about it. What makes me say that is that sometimes I will utterly disregard other people's feelings outwardly, but inwardly I'm still aware of how they may be feeling. I'm hesitant to say that I'm an empathetic person because, despite the fact I that I can't be outright malicious toward someone, I am very adept (unfortunately) and being passively malicious without a second thought.

    A common trend in my life is me being nice and friendly to people that I utterly despise out of fear of other people. Even if I don't really care as to how they feel, I still put up a facade of politeness. The issue with that is that over time, that polite mask disappears and I become extremely sarcastic, mean spirited, and irritable with people, which makes me think that connecting with others isn't something that I'm necessarily adept at. Sometimes I don't even bother trying to be polite, and I just come off as cold and indifferent. I care very much about other people's opinions of me, but at the end of the day those feelings still go back to me. I approach other people through a position of fear and mistrust.

    I thought for a while that I had Fe as a creative, but my ability to connect with other people and take their feelings into consideration is extremely unstable. What's more is that at the end of the day I feel threatened by other people, which is why I try not to offend anyone outwardly.

    As for my own feelings, no one really knows until it's too late, even myself. Even simple preferences like my opinion, I keep to myself. You asked for an example;

    I few days ago a friend of mine was doing something that was deeply offensive to me, and I kept telling them to stop doing it. I thought that by hearing me tell them to stop that they'd somehow figure out that they were upsetting me. It didn't happen and I had to literally spell out to them how they upset me, and even when I did that it was in a pretty unemotional manner...my tone didn't even change. That's why I also find difficulty with people taking me seriously; I never really change my tone, so when I'm upset no one can tell, unless I get loud or something. This dips into my romantic life as well....I'll explain to a person that I like them, but I do it in a such a dry and sometimes verbose manner that they just don't seem to get it.

    When it comes to Se feeling off putting, that goes back to myself feeling threatened by other people. When someone is assertive, it makes me think that they'll run over other people to get what they want, which I see as threatening. Simultaneously and paradoxically, I'm attracted to assertive girls
    OK well all that reeks of Fe PoLR and I see possible Se dual seeking

    With some Fi concerns about Se stuff, so you seem gamma > beta

    Have you read ILI profiles?

    And yeah, you said some things before that paused me to consider Fe creative but... it just doesn't make sense, no. A neurotic PoLR makes more sense.

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    Just one thing, Socionics type doesn't necessarily correlate with MBTI type (saying that in response to your first post in this thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Just one thing, Socionics type doesn't necessarily correlate with MBTI type (saying that in response to your first post in this thread)
    Yup! I understand!

    I relate pretty well to ILI and that profile's depiction of how Fe is used is almost exactly the same as how I feel in social situations

    ILI seems to be what it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sworm09 View Post
    Yup! I understand!

    I relate pretty well to ILI and that profile's depiction of how Fe is used is almost exactly the same as how I feel in social situations

    ILI seems to be what it is!
    Ooh glad if I could help

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Do you have a lot of fantasy worlds like OP does and are you able to focus so well on explaining/seeing trends?

    Btw wow, 20%, that doesn't sound a lot lol, I recall different estimates, but still not too high numbers, sure.

    I truly don't want to nitpick, did you mean OP doesn't value Se in that case? I think Se superid types would relate to it less, especially if there is only Se-DS which is like, really weak Se.

    Guess you meant to use the word "assertive", not "aggressive". The latter word is not specific enough, has other meanings etc. It's sure subjective what people perceive as outright aggressive anyway... What you described wouldn't seem aggressive to me, just assertive. Maybe to more sensitive people *shrug*

    I do have fantasy worlds, but they aren't on my mind much. So a lot? No. At most I'll jump into them when I am walking around by myself for a little while, and it's usually if I am upset. I use it as a tool to do some mental venting sometimes. As far as focus on seeing trends, not really. That sort of thing is intrinsic to me. If it comes to me then it does. I have a harder time articulating it, and usually need to mull it over in my head for a while before I can put it to words correctly.

    Ok maybe 20% is a bit low, but either way people are too complex to fit perfectly into 16 boxes. Either way it doesn't capture the whole picture by any means. No worries on the nitpick. The OP seemed to assert that he/she didn't value Se by some remarks that they made, so it seemed that it wasn't a likely main process. I am not an expert on socionics though.

    Yeah assertive would be a better way to describe it. I have had friends describe me as either once they get to know me. Largely because my aggressive/assertive sides are covert and it takes time before they're noticed. Partly because I don't want that to define me, and if they are seen readily it will render my methods of navigating life not nearly as functional .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I do have fantasy worlds, but they aren't on my mind much. So a lot? No. At most I'll jump into them when I am walking around by myself for a little while, and it's usually if I am upset. I use it as a tool to do some mental venting sometimes. As far as focus on seeing trends, not really. That sort of thing is intrinsic to me. If it comes to me then it does. I have a harder time articulating it, and usually need to mull it over in my head for a while before I can put it to words correctly.
    Ah. I'm kind of like you with regard to all these things fits Ni superid I think. I wonder how much stronger your Ni is compared to mine though.


    Ok maybe 20% is a bit low, but either way people are too complex to fit perfectly into 16 boxes. Either way it doesn't capture the whole picture by any means. No worries on the nitpick. The OP seemed to assert that he/she didn't value Se by some remarks that they made, so it seemed that it wasn't a likely main process. I am not an expert on socionics though.
    I guess we are on the same page. Yes I also didn't think Se was in ego for OP. I was asking about if you meant devalued vs valued but I see now what you meant.


    Yeah assertive would be a better way to describe it. I have had friends describe me as either once they get to know me. Largely because my aggressive/assertive sides are covert and it takes time before they're noticed. Partly because I don't want that to define me, and if they are seen readily it will render my methods of navigating life not nearly as functional .
    Ehmm why not so functional? :p

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    @sworm09

    So you sticking with ILI or LII? (I saw your posts in the other thread)

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    I'm not entirely sure, I'm leaning toward LII because I used video to figure out type in that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sworm09 View Post
    I'm not entirely sure, I'm leaning toward LII because I used video to figure out type in that post.
    Hmm so actually Fe-DS makes sense to you as in the description...?

    Btw I had a really quick glimpse at that video and well maybe... :o

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Hmm so actually Fe-DS makes sense to you as in the description...?

    Btw I had a really quick glimpse at that video and well maybe... :o
    I'm not sure lol. Looking at the video what do you think?

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