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    Quote Originally Posted by solipsists View Post
    I do... I think I'll be a little freakish for whatever I type as, because throughout my life I've consciously avoided committing to one type of thought/action for too long; my mother is a therapist/dance & yoga instructor, and my father is an investment banker/author, so I tried to embody very polarized ideals throughout my childhood. Though it doesn't add up to one type, I trust my cognitive functions percentages (roughly): my Ni, Ti and Fi are all strong, but the combination of NiTe best describes my thought patterns when isolated from social influence. So in response, I do like to use, and in fact rely on, Ti, but Ti alone is directionless and ultimately very frustrating in conversation. My Ti operates best within a pragmatic frame built by Te... as I understand Ti and Te. If I say something that seems obviously off I hope you'll tell me.
    It's okay to be "freakish" lool :P

    To me Ti doesn't seem directionless but I guess it's subjective as to what "directionless" means

    What is this Te pragmatic frame like for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    It's okay to be "freakish" lool :P

    To me Ti doesn't seem directionless but I guess it's subjective as to what "directionless" means

    What is this Te pragmatic frame like for you?
    I'm leaning a little bit on INTP descriptions I've read. This is Google's first relevant result. I guess I find Ti a little tedious, but I like to nit-pick if an idea's consistency affects something I value, usually somewhere in the planning process (after Ni's done its thing and illuminated the dramatic situation and Te's reined in the possible courses of action). The more I try to justify it, though, the less appealing Ti sounds haha.

    Using Ti to explain my use of Ti is a little mind-boggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solipsists View Post
    I'm leaning a little bit on INTP descriptions I've read. This is Google's first relevant result. I guess I find Ti a little tedious, but I like to nit-pick if an idea's consistency affects something I value, usually somewhere in the planning process (after Ni's done its thing and illuminated the dramatic situation and Te's reined in the possible courses of action). The more I try to justify it, though, the less appealing Ti sounds haha.

    Using Ti to explain my use of Ti is a little mind-boggling.
    Lol @ last sentence ;p

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    @valaki & @solipsists, The reason Te-users don't trust Ti is because of the fact that it understands concepts based on subjective logic that isn't derived from the outside world, and that's why Ti is slightly more oriented to math then Te is, because mathematical reasoning is subjective logic that can't always necessarily be proven in the real world. Te users also want to apply their knowledge and do something with it, whereas Ti users will be happy just drilling their knowledge further and further deeper. From my own experience, I always feel unsure when I utilize subjective logic because every time I use it, I slowly feel like the reasoning is delineating from the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    @valaki & @solipsists, The reason Te-users don't trust Ti is because of the fact that it understands concepts based on subjective logic that isn't derived from the outside world, and that's why Ti is slightly more oriented to math then Te is, because mathematical reasoning is subjective logic that can't always necessarily be proven in the real world. Te users also want to apply their knowledge and do something with it, whereas Ti users will be happy just drilling their knowledge further and further deeper. From my own experience, I always feel unsure when I utilize subjective logic because every time I use it, I slowly feel like the reasoning is delineating from the real world.
    I see. How about an ESTP's Ti?

    (In terms of the bolded)

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    I see. How about an ESTP's Ti?

    (In terms of the bolded)
    Se gathers sensory data from the outside world, and Ti maps that sensory data to build deep frameworks. My guess for the ESTP would be kind of like observing a detail, and then trying to pick apart that detail and figure out exactly what it is (precision) and what role it plays in the environment. I think this is the reason why ESTPs and ISTPs especially are known as mechanics (much more so for ISTP) because they can easily observe a problem in an external system, identify the exact problem, and figure out its impact on the entire system. Don't take my word completely though, it is a mere educated guess. Might go ask some people on the SP forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Se gathers sensory data from the outside world, and Ti maps that sensory data to build deep frameworks. My guess for the ESTP would be kind of like observing a detail, and then trying to pick apart that detail and figure out exactly what it is (precision) and what role it plays in the environment. I think this is the reason why ESTPs and ISTPs especially are known as mechanics (much more so for ISTP) because they can easily observe a problem in an external system, identify the exact problem, and figure out its impact on the entire system. Don't take my word completely though, it is a mere educated guess. Might go ask some people on the SP forum.
    Yes but how is this not practical? How would a Te user take issue with the STP's use of Ti? This was my point.

    Btw I'm no mechanic myself..... just never spent time on those things

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Yes but how is this not practical? How would a Te user take issue with the STP's use of Ti? This was my point.

    Btw I'm no mechanic myself..... just never spent time on those things
    The Te user would take issue with what would appear to be over-analysis of something from the environment. Remember that Te users unconsciously process the environment predominantly, so they don't always necessarily need to waste time classifying what they are seeing because Si and Ni are just churning out half-built and deep frameworks to be filled in and made efficient by Te. So they would get pissed off at over-analysis, the trademark of Ti.

    The mechanic is just a stereotype, but it does adequately describe how the xSTP's mind works, the trouble-shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    The Te user would take issue with what would appear to be over-analysis of something from the environment. Remember that Te users unconsciously process the environment predominantly, so they don't always necessarily need to waste time classifying what they are seeing because Si and Ni are just churning out half-built and deep frameworks to be filled in and made efficient by Te. So they would get pissed off at over-analysis, the trademark of Ti.

    The mechanic is just a stereotype, but it does adequately describe how the xSTP's mind works, the trouble-shooter.
    Oookay, I do know someone in my life who gets irritated a lot at my tendency to "over-analyse". By the way you described it well, I look at a detail and then if I feel like analysing it / need to analyse it, I do try to pick it apart to figure out exactly what it is etc etc. Note this only applies if it's concrete details of whatever but isn't a directly tangible object in front of me. If it is an object in front of me and I'm supposed to figure out how it works, I will not do it like that, for some reason I just don't work like that, I will instead "play around" with the object, and let it more or less unconsciously come to me, as to how to deal with it. The result can be expressed as a precise analysis, sure, but it won't be the first step in such a case. I don't know how ISTP vs ESTP gets at that. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Oookay, I do know someone in my life who gets irritated a lot at my tendency to "over-analyse". By the way you described it well, I look at a detail and then if I feel like analysing it / need to analyse it, I do try to pick it apart to figure out exactly what it is etc etc. Note this only applies if it's concrete details of whatever but isn't a directly tangible object in front of me. If it is an object in front of me and I'm supposed to figure out how it works, I will not do it like that, for some reason I just don't work like that, I will instead "play around" with the object, and let it more or less unconsciously come to me, as to how to deal with it. The result can be expressed as a precise analysis, sure, but it won't be the first step in such a case. I don't know how ISTP vs ESTP gets at that. What do you think?
    Interesting. Tell me, would you be better at building something useful out of seemingly random parts or picking apart something in front of you to figure out how it works?

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