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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyedecker View Post
    In conversation with others, do you often find yourself saying, "that might also be taken to mean _______..." in reference to something the other person says, or are you more likely to simply think of the alternative meaning but keep it to yourself?

    Also, do you display a really strong talent for clever word play and a quick wit that is easy to tap into most of the time, or is your word play/witty response something that might occur to you later and you only wish you'd thought of it during the conversation?

    I think an INTP is likely to be slightly more reserved, perhaps often thinking of a million clever or intelligent things they could've said but didn't during a conversation, whereas an ENTP might be more likely to have that arsenal of words ready to go, on the spot.
    1.) Actually, I just did that today. A friend of mine (incidentally, who I suspect is also an ENTP) was telling me about a news article and I responded with, "Well, that's interesting. But have you looked at it from the perspective...".

    2.) I struggled with witty comebacks a lot in middle school, especially during my confrontations with bullies. I remember frequently having those moments of "Oh! I could have said that!", I still have them but with a decreased frequency. Argue with me online, and I will retaliate with a clever comeback in a matter of seconds. For some reason, I'm marginally slower in real life. Right now, I definitely have a penchant for witty banter and clever word play. But some of that gets wasted because I'm socially anxious. I also seem to have a split personality. One day, I'm enthusiastic, playful, humorous and witty. The next day, I'm cold, emotionless, reserved and sarcastic.

    I think my parents might have an inadvertent influence on my doubt regarding my type. Around them, I'm a total introvert because of the discrepancies in our lifestyles, thoughts, opinions, etc. This may have caused me to over-develop my Ti as a late teenager (15-18). In their absence, even though I'm still somewhat introverted because of my social anxiety, I'm definitely using Ne. I also use more Ne than Ti when I'm browsing on the internet. And yet, the INTP set of functions aligns more reasonably with the Beebe's model of cognitive functions.

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    Interesting.

    I don't know many ENTPs in "real" life. I'm pretty sure my sister dated one. He was very nerdy, but in an outgoing, life of the party way. I picture him being the leader of his nerd pack in high school, perhaps being friends with some of the more popular students as well, but I didn't know him in high school so I can't really say accurately, but that's pretty much what he was like as an adult. I'd say ENTPs are like INTPs with a thicker skin, but it actually seems they can be more sensitive (noticeably sensitive, at least).
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    If I think of a witty comeback or something else to say, I often keep it to myself unless I'm in the right company. I have a knack for occasionally offending people when that wasn't my intent.
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    My father often says that I'm emotional, but I don't know a damn about feelings. Just a random observation that came to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfAwesome View Post
    When I research, I just absorb the information and compare it with the storehouse of information entrenched in my mind and other bits of data that randomly come to my mind. I keep making comparison of different contexts, investigating for relationships, patterns and interconnections. If I see A and B, I think about how they can be related via C and D. Don't know if that makes sense. I do get approached for my ideas and insights, but I don't identify myself in the process of brainstorming. I'm more into looking for patterns and doing lots of research. Supposedly Ne generates ideas and looks for patterns, alternative scenarios and double meanings. I do the latter very well, but I'm not so proficient in the former.
    Sounds like you're doing Ne when researching.

    If you generate alternative scenarios, that's Ne. You already said you look for patterns so that's sorted too. So did you mean you don't generate "ideas"? What do you mean by "ideas"?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lyedecker View Post
    I think an INTP is likely to be slightly more reserved, perhaps often thinking of a million clever or intelligent things they could've said but didn't during a conversation, whereas an ENTP might be more likely to have that arsenal of words ready to go, on the spot.
    My INTP friend always has an arsenal of words ready to go. The way he explained it it's all organized for him in his mind through associations somehow so it's easy for him to do that... He can write a crazy and long poem anytime you ask. I did wonder if he was ENTP but he identified a lot more with the description of Ti leading Ne than with Ne leading Ti. (OK this was socionics but the wikisocion descriptions of NeTi / TiNe functions in ILE/LII profiles seem to be pretty well correlating with the MBTI version I think)


    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfAwesome View Post
    2.) I struggled with witty comebacks a lot in middle school, especially during my confrontations with bullies. I remember frequently having those moments of "Oh! I could have said that!", I still have them but with a decreased frequency. Argue with me online, and I will retaliate with a clever comeback in a matter of seconds. For some reason, I'm marginally slower in real life. Right now, I definitely have a penchant for witty banter and clever word play. But some of that gets wasted because I'm socially anxious. I also seem to have a split personality. One day, I'm enthusiastic, playful, humorous and witty. The next day, I'm cold, emotionless, reserved and sarcastic.
    That inconsistency makes you EP temperament in socionics


    I think my parents might have an inadvertent influence on my doubt regarding my type. Around them, I'm a total introvert because of the discrepancies in our lifestyles, thoughts, opinions, etc. This may have caused me to over-develop my Ti as a late teenager (15-18). In their absence, even though I'm still somewhat introverted because of my social anxiety, I'm definitely using Ne. I also use more Ne than Ti when I'm browsing on the internet. And yet, the INTP set of functions aligns more reasonably with the Beebe's model of cognitive functions.
    Beebe is just one model... and it's very fine distinctions sometimes; I could also argue for my inferior being in the tertiary position and vice versa

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    @MasterOfAwesome

    Also, earlier, were you trying to say that you are perfectly able to come up with crazy ideas, without any effort, just not practical ideas unless you are given information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfAwesome View Post
    My father often says that I'm emotional, but I don't know a damn about feelings. Just a random observation that came to mind.
    Well, the feeling functions aren't exactly synonymous with emotion.

    I might catch some flak for saying this, but I believe emotion can be attached to all of the functions in some form.

    Granted, people with dominant and auxiliary feeling functions do seem to have a better grasp and understanding of the emotions of themselves and others.
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    Alright, here are two questionnaires that I've attempted.

    1. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.


    Nope. Male, 17, Calm.

    2. Study these two images here and here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?

    http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6005/6...c083ea9f_m.jpg
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8287/7...4da6df716d.jpg

    Definitely the second picture. There's nothing appealing about the first one. Why would I appreciate a picture of someone eating? Besides, the second one looks intriguing.

    3. Please describe yourself as a person if you were to introduce yourself to someone else like in a cover letter. What kind of person are you and why?

    Hmmmm... I don't know how to answer this question concisely. If I were to use a set of adjectives or comments, they would be :- eccentric, independent, innovative, rebellious, optimistic, rational, playfully annoying/mischievous, dynamic, absent-minded, theoretical, thirsty for adventure and fun, imaginative, lazily ambitious.
    I'm a person who desires fame, knowledge, celebrity, global recognition and a heartfelt yearning for leaving an impact on the world or making a change before my perpetual departure. Maybe, this is because I understand the boundless extent of my potential and I want the whole world to apprehend it.

    4. What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?

    In general, I like what I am right now. But I do wish I was more socially adept and productive. My social skills are terrible, if not nonexistent. I would not want to be an average person with an average life and average interests. I would hate to be narrow-minded and obedient. I'm proud of the fact that I think for myself, make my own decisions, defy authority when needed and take an unconventional approach to day-to-day banalities.

    5. Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?

    I think a lot of people (excluding my friends) perceive me a quiet and aloof individual. This, probably, being because of my social anxiety and self-consciousness. For example, I have two exhibits to my personality, the first one being my default one in stressful or uncomfortable situations.

    Persona A - Recluse, Dreamy, Socially Awkward, Passive, Terse, Apathetic, Negatively Sarcastic, Narcissistic.
    Persona B - Hilarious, Witty, Arrogant, Argumentative, Positively Sarcastic, Fun, Imaginative, Spontaneous.


    6. What in life do you find to be of importance? Why? If you are unsure you can always take the Value Test and post the results here. Do note that it helps if you narrow it down to 20 or ideally 10 values as suggested at stage 2.

    Acknowledgement, Accomplishment, Knowledge, Fun, Courage, Independence.

    7. How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?

    Optimistically. I'm the guy who refuses to judge the situation and says, "Just wait and see what happens, then you have all the right to judge. Just enjoy, jeez." This is also paradoxical because I have a hard time not noticing errors and criticizing people... internally.
    I'm objective about my past, realistic-optimistic about my present, and very optimistic about my future.

    8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

    I lose my ability to think. I become infuriated with the world. It's terrible. My brain transforms into a void, I lose my linguistic faculties, and I change into a distressed and grumpy guy who wants to be alone. As of yet, despite numerous attempts, I have been unsuccessful in deducing the reasons behind these egregious mental assaults.
    Concisely, my life feels like hell on earth. And I become even lazier.

    9. Please describe yourself when you are in an enjoyable situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

    I become impulsive, enthusiastic, indulgent, crazy and may even start living in the moment, abandoning my future or past problems and worries. I just... enjoy.

    10. Describe your relationship to socialization. How do you perceive one-on-one interaction? How do you perceive group interaction?

    I prefer group interaction to one-on-one interaction. But I also dislike them because my views and thoughts are rarely considered in group discussions. If considered, they are likely to be rejected. Sometimes, I even feel invisible in group interactions. For some reason, I feel uncomfortable and anxious during one-on-one conversations. I only prefer one-on-one interaction when I'm talking to an interesting individual or talking about something interesting. But I absolutely detest group interaction when the participants are people I find myself disliking or considering boring and uninteresting.

    11. Describe your relationship to society. What are the elements of it you hold important or unimportant (e.g. social norms, values, customs, traditions)? How do you see people as a whole?

    I have a rebellious edge. I'm willing to question society whenever I get the opportunity. But on the other hand, it's also nice to analyze whether your thoughts are in accordance with the perception of society. I'm actually even prone to going along with whatever the majority thinks. Sometimes, I can even act pro-society and sneer at the skeptical lone wolf who keeps to himself. I would occasionally even use society to my advantage, utilizing the power of the majority. I dislike traditions, norms, customs etc. I don't see why one needs to do something the same way every single time. Isn't that what Einstein calls insanity?

    12. Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?

    Fairly indifferent. They are not necessarily superior to me, and so they do not have the prerogative to control me. Although, by principal, I guess I am anti-authority due to my tendency to question authority figures.

    13. Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?

    I'm a True Neutral, if that's of any relevance. I'm definitely chaotic. I find that order has a debilitating effect on me. It restricts and deteriorates me and my sense of confidence. However, I do value order in the form of peace and tranquility.

    14. What is it that you fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?

    Lizards (they are basically minuscule dinosaurs, I fear them). Heights. But I don't think they matter. I don't really think I fear anything else. When I'm not depressed or anxious, I'm pretty optimistic and intrepid.

    15. What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?

    I've already answered these questions, I think. I did not realize there was a specific set of questions for them.

    16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

    a) Having fun, browsing the internet, discovering and exploring, learning something new, reading or watching fiction, discussing my interests and ideas with friends, introspecting, being independent, winning an argument.

    b) Being bored, taking orders and commands, following rules and regulations, being told to do something, talking to people that do not interest me.

    17. Why do you want to know your type? What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why? If you know your enneagram, please post this here. If you have done any online function tests such as the Keys2Cognition, it helps if you post these results here as well.

    I've questioned and doubted my type for far too long. I think I'm a definite xNTP. Self-discovery, research, identification. ENTP, INTP, ENTJ (because they actually get stuff done and have a massive amount of self-confidence).

    The results I have hitherto gotten in descending order of frequency (with the first two being equal and arranged alphabetically)-
    ENTP, INTP, ENFP, ISTP, INFP, ESTP, INTJ, ISTJ

    Ne >= Ti > Ni >>> Fe = Fi > Si >> Se > Te

    18. Finally, is there something else you find to be of importance you want to add about yourself you think might be of relevance when helping to type you?

    I have a plethora of things to add. I would write them, if I had the patience and fortitude. In fact, such an activity would probably induce me to write a novel. Besides, I'm a novice at organizing my thoughts. By the way, I consistently used to test as an ISTJ at a time when I had hit the rock-bottom of depression. I'm also extremely nostalgic. That's all.

    1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/damianw...ore-2014-01-04

    I'm instantly reminded of Sherlock Holmes, followed by the Great Depression, Black & White films, Charlie Chaplin, Marlon Brando and Johnny Walker because of the hat. Since I see a bridge, water and the title (London Reflection), I start thinking about River Thames. That's all.

    2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

    I'm curious. Something has happened. A monotonous long drive to the concert would have left me feeling slightly frustrated (unless I had my cellphone or laptop). Throughout the journey, I was preoccupied with thoughts revolving around my expectation of the concert and its attractions, occasionally to be drifted by something interesting along the road. Anyway, back to the question. My outward reaction would be a formal sigh of annoyance, just to show that I care. I would certainly question the people about the problem, get the answer, perfunctorily consider it and look for something to occupy myself.

    3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

    Alright. My internal and external reaction would depend on how good the concert was. If it was bad, I might attend the party just to get the enjoyment I deserve for being patient about the earlier problem. If it was great, I might be in an optimistic mood. So, I'll probably attend the party. If it was neither good nor bad, I'll view the party as an unnecessary extension. Besides, I have this tendency where whenever I watch a show or some movie, I retreat to the internet and research about it and see how other people found it. For example, after watching The Wolf of Wall Street recently, I immediately attacked IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes and ascertained how my opinion of the movie pitted against the general opinion. Speaking of this, I also like listening to the crowd while watching a football match or any show. If someone makes a joke, I'm more interested in the audience's reaction rather than my reaction. Sometimes, it even influences me. I use crowd reactions, applause, cheers, boos to determine how good something is.

    4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

    Depends on what kind of belief it is. Normally, I would riposte with a pseudo-sarcastic remark or brush it away with a joke, followed by an argument if the friend in question persists on spreading his claim. I might also consider the claim in silence and even start doubting my own belief. I would probably ask him why he made that claim, if he hasn't explained it already.

    5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

    What I do best. Research. Everything has an explanation (except intuition and rules).

    6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

    I'm not really high on values. I find them inflexible and restrictive. But I do admire courage, optimism, independence, freedom of speech and wisdom/intelligence.

    7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

    I answered a similar question in the previous questionnaire.

    8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

    I trust them. I find them curious and intriguing. Ironically, they're usually triggered conspicuously when I'm in the process of making a big decision. However, I'm too indecisive. I place a greater reliance on information and research. I need to take in every perspective before making a decision. For some reason, intuition usually prevails in the end.

    9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

    Done.

    10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

    I only repress when I'm placed in an awkward circumstance or in an undesirable situation. That's when I repress almost everything about myself, which makes me seem like an introvert. Oh, and I'm definitely the epitome of an introvert in the presence of my parents. Normally, I'm quite open, even to strangers (I'll venture to say that I'm more likely to reveal my interests to a stranger than a friend, like I'm doing right now).

    Finally, a statement or two or more of caution. My interests and preferences and their explanations and reasons are so changeable and capricious that the above questions are promptly rendered fairly inadequate. Today, I might answer these questions like I have right now. Tomorrow, I might answer these questions differently. I might have the same hobbies for seven years, but for different reasons every year. Tell me about an unknown TV show that is unanimously liked and I'll become obsessed about it in a couple of days. There are so many attributes about my personality that they cannot be encapsulated in writing. I can write a 2000 page novel autobiography and you still will only know 75% of me. But as much as I enjoy talking or writing about myself, I lack the patience and diligence to do that in the first place.That's why, I want you to ask me your own questions.

    Now, attack me with your typology meters, ye veterans of TypoC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    entp > intp
    Not that I doubt your judgement (in fact, I'm willing to take your word for it), but can you please elaborate? I want to know how you arrived at the conclusion and how you analyzed my questionnaire to do so, if it's not strenuous. Thanks, by the way. In fact, I'm inviting anyone to analyze my latest questionnaire. Please? I'm curious to see the process behind your analysis.

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