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    From this site, out of the 27, only the following tritypes really have some things in common with me. In the summaries I will bold the parts that I do relate to. What's not bolded is everything that I don't relate to. I also added comments in italic


    The Systems Builder – 137
    -Diligent/Ethical
    -Focused/Efficient
    -Innovative/Upbeat
    -You are self-motivated and want to achieve your goals in a positive and effective way. You want to do your best and want to look good doing it. You focus on success and seek ways to measure it.

    I left "positive" unbolded because stuff doesn't have to be through the simple easy way, maybe it would be too boring if everything just worked out right away without any difficulties. I don't like to waste too much time though so I did bold effective

    The Researcher – 145
    -Diligent/Ethical
    -Intuitive/Original
    -Knowledgeable/Wise
    -Highly intellectual, you are focused on what you perceive is correct and beyond reproach. Research oriented, you seek and quote the opinions of experts to avoid being uncertain and seen as ignorant.

    Correct in a logical sense, not ethical.
    And I'm not too worried about uncertainty but I guess I wouldn't want to be ignorant


    The Strategist – 258
    -Caring/Helpful
    -Knowledgable/Wise
    -Protective/Straight Forward
    -Highly sensitive, you are an empathetic and intellectual "people person". You are both introverted and extroverted and can be direct and easily move toward others, but also over give and pull away to recharge.

    I don't feel empathy in the traditional way so I didn't bold that but there must be something to being helpful so maybe I just don't feel the empathy while it's still there in some form?
    I pull away sometimes "just because", not due to over-giving. Sometimes I'm just tired or just have lower energy or something.


    The Free Spirit – 278
    -Caring/Helpful
    -Innovative/Loving
    -Protective/Straightforward
    -You are assertive, funny, and outgoing You like to use your charming and sunny disposition to create an upbeat, positive, and action-packed environment. You are also very nurturing to those in your circle of care.

    I don't think I'm that funny Also, me being outgoing varies greatly. I'm only charming until I start being confrontational and argumentative. As for action-packed environment, ok, not sure if it's that extremely positive however. I can't say "very" nurturing. Just to an extent.

    The Solution Master – 358
    -Ambitious/Efficient
    -Knowledgeable/Wise
    -Protective/Straightforward
    -Tough-minded, you are good at studying a problem and finding both original and practical solutions others miss. Highly tenacious, you work tirelessly until you find solutions and prevail against adversity.

    Wow, guess, that whole summary kind of fits but I think this is only one side of me, so it's not quite satisfying after all. I do know some people who are really described by this well because it takes up more of their whole personality or I dunno why. I can't say that my whole personality is about problem solving to be honest. Those people are all about it.

    The Mover-Shaker – 378
    -Ambitious/Efficient
    -Innovative/Happy
    -Protective/Straightforward
    -You are a dynamic go-getter, focused on the prize. An expansive powerhouse, you see the big picture and a positive future, with the will to make it happen. Seeking success, obstacles are seen as competitive challenges.

    Got a lot of comments for this one: well, sure, go-getter, but what the fuck does "dynamic" mean here? Prize in terms of desirable possession, sure. Expansive powerhouse sounds like an overstatement, I do have energy but this is just such a grandiose statement that I don't identify with it. As for big picture, I just mean overall picture of what I'd like, maybe that's not what's meant here. To make it happen needs more than just the will. As for competitive challenges, that expression didn't totally make sense :S If it means challenges are only challenges if it involves competing with others, then I don't agree. That's only one kind of many.

    The Scholar – 458
    -Intuitive/Original
    -Knowledgable/Wise
    -Protective/Straightforward
    -You study what makes people tick and form strong opinions about what you learn. Somewhat introverted, you are identified with being an intuitive/strategic thinker and see interconnections that others may miss.

    Well if study of the brain counts as studying what makes people tick then yes. In life outside research I don't do this that much. Aye to the rest. Though I don't know if others miss the things I see. It sometimes does feel like it.

    The Messenger – 478
    -Intuitive/Original
    -Innovative/Creative
    -Protective/Straightforward
    -A cutting-edge tracker of both your internal and external worlds, you are an unconventional, passionate, and self-possessed master of solutions. Outwardly you are confident, but inwardly you are emotional and vulnerable.

    Again a lot of comments here.
    Firstly, I left the last couple of words unbolded because I'm not that emotional if we don't count anger which is expressed externally anyway so it's not an inward emotion thing. It's rare that I have this "inwardly emotional" thing though I do like it for some reason. I think I like it because of intensity and because it gives a sense to life, a sense of aliveness. Maybe even special feeling, which does sound like 4-ish to me but as I said this is very fuckin' rare.
    Secondly, I'm not quite sure what's meant by cutting-edge but yes, I track "both worlds", I liked the way this was put lol, I guess somewhat more attention on the external, maybe.
    Oh and self-possessed in the sense that I don't just collapse in a difficult situation

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    Guess what most fits from the above, in no particular order:

    self-motivated
    positive somewhat (not totally)
    half introverted, half extraverted
    tenacious in problem solving
    sometimes finding original solutions
    prevail about challenges, obstacles, adversity
    like achieving what I want = my definition of success
    thinking about people's workings
    unconventional
    passionate
    confident
    assertive go-getter
    tough-minded
    good dose of being intellectual
    somewhat nurturing

    I wish this had negative traits listed too, though. That would be more interesting huh. Though the above can be seen as negative too if it feels "too much" to someone. E.g. I can be seen as confident and tough-minded or as someone who's too argumentative and annoying, which happens often. Or I'm passionate but someone actually has seen that as overly passionate, and he was getting worried that I would get into too many risks blahblah.

    And for types, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8 keep getting repeated. Though I'm really sure that I don't have that strong of a 4 or not in the stereotypical way. No 6 or 9. Where there was 1 in the tritype archetype, I didn't actually identify with it in the description. 2 happened once

    So gut fix = 8
    Head fix or connection = 5 or 7
    Heart fix or connection = 2 or 3 or 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Does the definition of success involve other people's validation? Then I identify more with 7 than with 3. Freedom is important Other people's validation is just a pain in the ass.

    I guess I don't understand what you meant by social mask. I meant an explicitly built persona thingie, not simply just privacy. Otherwise, I relate to the 5 thing and the 8 thing too here. I've always thought of myself as pretty open but only to a degree. Until a certain point, I will show everything freely to anyone and beyond that point I show nothing to anyone at all. Someone pointed this out to me before and it's true.

    I have thought about 5 for head fix before, though then I don't know where to fit the 7. When did you start to disintegrate into 5 from 8? Because I can identify a period in my life when something started for me that can easily be called just that. Then that would explain strong 5-ish things about me. Though honestly, even before that I had some 5-ish stuff.

    I also read your type thread now and mmmm you're giving me ideas! Maybe I'm 8-7-4 too! My dressing style is distinctly a 4 motivation. This is for sure. I don't have a lot of 4 otherwise, only glimpses here and there but I always liked 4.

    But 8-5-3 also makes sense with triple emotional suppression :O Only strong emotion really left is anger and related emotions.
    Welcome to the 3-5-8 tritype, I'll be your host. Most of my emotions are superficial now except for anger, vengeance, lust, and depression (Even guilt and remorse went out the window a long time ago).



    I realized I wasn't actually an 8 disintegrating to 5 but merely a slightly unhealthy 8 fix with the 5 fix in the 3-5-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Welcome to the 3-5-8 tritype, I'll be your host. Most of my emotions are superficial now except for anger, vengeance, lust, and depression (Even guilt and remorse went out the window a long time ago).
    Lol hello there! =P

    Tbh I am still thinking about 7 fix and maybe a weak 4 fix. Either 358 or 478 I guess?!?!

    Anyway about emotions, you used the word "now". Was it different for you before? I was always like this. My strong emotions: anger, yeah the lust thingie (when you get the feeling of aliveness, you know?), frustration, sometimes indulging in self pity for not getting whatever I wanted, hahah. Vengeance, uh I wouldn't say it's that common or it's small things (nobody did things like kill my family yet thank god) so I don't differentiate it from basic anger.

    Depression, do you mean self pity?

    Ok and my weaker emotion: feeling enthusiastic. I mean it's kind of a superficial emotion. Can look like strong emotion outwardly. It's nowhere near as satisfying in intensity though as the above ones.


    I realized I wasn't actually an 8 disintegrating to 5 but merely a slightly unhealthy 8 fix with the 5 fix in the 3-5-8
    So what's the difference between 8 disintegrating into 5 and between slightly unhealthy 8 fix with 5 fix?

    I truly think I had a period of real disintegration. Low on energy, no interaction with people: intentional withdrawing from it, study abstract things instead. Oh and even more detached from emotions. All that together. I think it left a mark on me.

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    @Alea_iacta_est

    I would still like to discuss definition of "success".

    My definition of success: I like achieving what I want. This is out of intrinsic motivation.

    The definition of success for type 3 involves other people's validation, right?

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    @Sanjuro's questionnaire pulled from another thread:



    1. - It helps to establish a "baseline mood"--when you're at home staring at the walls, where are you at mentally and emotionally? (For example, many 4s report that their baseline is "melancholy").

    Staring at the walls, if that's to be taken literally, then I have an empty mind, no emotions either. It's actually a pretty good state for me, just staring at the wall thinking of nothing. My way of meditation really.

    This is my default state too, calm state, no emotions, no nothing, not thinking of much, some fleeting thoughts here and there. Like some fleeting clouds on the sky. A bit of feeling of readiness.


    2. - Where were you as a little kid? Was there any perception you remember having that you can't find any reason for?

    I don't understand the "where".

    I did have some interesting things/perceptions... I'm not really sure what this question is getting at. I'm going to mention some randomly remembered perceptions that I didn't quite find reasons for, they just simply "were" and I thought to myself at the time "oh interesting that it is this way / interesting that I feel this way / interesting that I see this like that".

    My very first memory of myself at age 3, I wanted to play with a needle and when I was told it was dangerous I thought to myself I was perfectly able to handle that. My little kid friend wanted to marry later in life, I looked at him for a second and coldly and matter-of-factly thought to myself "we are not going to marry, we are just kids and later it's just not going to happen", then I said okay, why not; we were 6 year olds. My father would talk to me when I was 5, about some stuff and I thought to myself that this wasn't realistic stuff. I was surprised one day at around age 8 that a memory I recalled felt viscerally so much like it just happened the previous day and I decided to maintain and not forget these memories.

    As for what I was like more generally, I was a loner pretty much though I was capable of feeling excited for friends, in this blissful way, free of any negative stuff that came later. So always had 1-2 friends here and there but still I wandered around a lot alone. I was the smartest kid in class but I had a terrible temper and could not be persuaded otherwise if I wanted something. I would fight kids as well for whatever I wanted or just out of anger, in elementary/middle school, I had a terrible manner interacting with them in general and naturally I was an "outcast" in school (in kindergarten I wasn't yet, I was just simply a loner there). Teachers I didn't respect either though I liked one of them with the same enthusiasm that I had for friends. I really didn't like to be a kid overall, I always wanted to be a grown up so I could be in control.

    A few other things that just came to mind that seemed characteristic of me back then. I was still in kindergarten (5 years old) when I decided to hate my father after he beat up my sister for nothing. Hate without real emotions, on principle. I figured out some - of course really basic - math on my own in kindergarten, at 5-6 years old. I couldn't sleep when it was time for afternoon sleep in kindergarten so I thought up adventure stories instead. I would do drawings of stuff very well and in a very realistic way and looked down on kids who didn't manage to do it in a realistic way. At age 3, my mother came for me early to take me home (from "pre-kindergarten" thingie), surprise, I was so truly glad and enthusiastic, happy to see her! didn't care when she told me to say thanks to the nurse for letting me take a little cloth home.


    3. - If you are very familiar with the enneagram, you can generally see yourself in the surrounding types--and if you pay attention, you should be able to see how both influence you all day long.

    You mean wings of my supposed type? Supposed type is 7 or 8. I don't see the 6 much, I sometimes see something 9-ish though, it's when I just zone out and think of nothing and maybe this is what's meant by "being asleep". Well maybe that's not it but I associated it with 9 for some reason... I can also be lazy as fuck. Sometimes I am seen as mediator when people start a fight with each other.


    4. - What is your super-ego always telling you? I read Maitri recently, and she suggests writing out a conversation between your id, ego, and super-ego. When I did so, my type became very obvious. Listen to the ways you think you "should" be, and the things you've done to live up to that image.

    Lol interesting. I don't have a constantly active super-ego telling me "should". Sometimes yes, I think to myself, ok, I should get up and do this task, should do that task before deadline (...I brush this aside very easily). Less often I get the following; Should be more polite to people, talk to people more in a social way, say "hi" to everyone and don't be argumentative. Should open up and talk about issues to friends. Should be loving (...can't do it, block). Should detach from wanting things so much (no!). Should take responsibility for what I've done (bad things).

    I am not sure where ego is in all that. I do see the id

    I have not really done anything to live up to these things. I think I have a weak superego HAH.


    5. - What is your ego ideal? I mean, how would you ideally be if given the chance (you don't necessarily have to live up to it--I certainly fail at living up to mine, lol).

    Being given the chance requires nothing short of a miracle* so I'm gonna pass on this one. (*: This is not enneagram related)

    Alright, alright, I don't like to dream unnecessarily, but I would be very social in this intense expansive way and would be everywhere messing with everything doing shit. Influence on people, as much impact as possible.

    Actually, maybe if given the chance I still wouldn't be like this but I have this one bit of snapshot of this in the back of my mind for some reason


    6. - What pisses you off for others to observe in you? You should have some sort of ego reaction against people attacking your defenses and get angry or feel "hurt".

    1st question - If they try to observe my motivations. Reaction: uh, just doesn't feel good? I'll probably protest

    For the 2nd question - Uh it wasn't really an attack on my defenses but I recently got very angry over someone refusing something on the basis of personally not liking me enough. Guess it touched me on some point but I'm not sure if that's enneagram related. I just think these things should be decided impersonally. My reaction was telling him in a terribly honest way as to what I thought about all this, placing a lot of blame on him in the process as well. Telling him off as well, aiming to make him feel less "perfect" about his ways. (He's this idealistic I-know-it-all-and-will-support-you type) A sort of vengeance, as well.

    I still don't see an ego reaction here though if freudian ego enneagram type is meant by that...

    I'm sorry maybe this isn't the sort of stuff the question was aimed at... couldn't think of anything better for example for "feeling hurt".


    7. - What "felt sense" do you have of your childhood? Were you deprived? Wronged? Abandoned? If you're not sure, write a short autobiography and try to determine what you are upset about.

    Deprived or Abandoned (not sure which): when I was a small kid, by my mother for periods (she was away traveling). My father not showing interest or not in a way I could notice. When I was not so small anymore, no such things.
    Wronged: by my father, beating up us kids. By some stupid teachers/classes (as a whole class yes, no problem if it was just individual kids), in school, as small kid and as teenager too.
    Other things I was upset about: not placing so good in one contest (alright I didn't prepare enough ;p). uhh whatever else, can't remember more now.

    But really I was just upset about being a kid in general. Sometimes about being an "outcast" in school. (Someone else instead was seen as "leader".) Sure, sometimes by my father. By the fact that I was the youngest kid in the family.

    I'm not upset about most of these things in retrospect. This all was such a long time ago. My father and I got okay later, much later. Still upsetting memory of some teachers/classes (see "wronged" section above) but I don't think of the past often.

    I think that it was a result of all that, that I had the feeling I was left to deal with life on my own. I never thought of talking about problems with family or anything really or even getting truly involved in family life. Let alone school life etc. I think this is a good summary of "felt sense" in my childhood.


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    So what type do I seem like based on the above? I guess I see ID type strongly I kind of see 4-5-8 (854 for order of tritype) altogether. Or 4-7-8 (874). But I am open to hearing opinions from others! Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Lol hello there! =P

    Tbh I am still thinking about 7 fix and maybe a weak 4 fix. Either 358 or 478 I guess?!?!

    Anyway about emotions, you used the word "now". Was it different for you before? I was always like this. My strong emotions: anger, yeah the lust thingie (when you get the feeling of aliveness, you know?), frustration, sometimes indulging in self pity for not getting whatever I wanted, hahah. Vengeance, uh I wouldn't say it's that common or it's small things (nobody did things like kill my family yet thank god) so I don't differentiate it from basic anger.

    Depression, do you mean self pity?

    Ok and my weaker emotion: feeling enthusiastic. I mean it's kind of a superficial emotion. Can look like strong emotion outwardly. It's nowhere near as satisfying in intensity though as the above ones.




    So what's the difference between 8 disintegrating into 5 and between slightly unhealthy 8 fix with 5 fix?

    I truly think I had a period of real disintegration. Low on energy, no interaction with people: intentional withdrawing from it, study abstract things instead. Oh and even more detached from emotions. All that together. I think it left a mark on me.
    I say now as in some emotions have faded away. I use to feel guilty about things when I was much, much younger but that just stopped after some time. I didn't really have enthusiasm to begin with, I just developed a superficial version to survive in this social world.

    8 -> 5, becomes utterly hostile and sadistic, retreating from the world and fighting anything that dare crosses the 8's boundaries
    unhealthy (nowhere near level 9 pathological destruction or level 8) 8 fix + 5 fix -> retreating some and becoming more argumentative. 5 fix naturally draws person to introversion somewhat anyways.

    3's don't always need other people's validation to achieve their desire, though they greatly appreciate it.
    3w2 might want everyone's validation, while 3w4 might want a select few's validation.

    A 3 at the end of their life wants to look back on something and say "I did this, I was successful, I won."

    If you see life as a game with winners and losers, chances are you are a 3.

    BTW: The 3-5-8 is infamous for being emotionless and extremely narcissistic. Also, the 3-5-8 has been known to ignore the Super-Ego when not motivated occasionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I say now as in some emotions have faded away. I use to feel guilty about things when I was much, much younger but that just stopped after some time. I didn't really have enthusiasm to begin with, I just developed a superficial version to survive in this social world.
    Ah interesting. I was never into feeling guilt much. Please don't think I am some sort of sociopath now heh

    I mean, I know what the feeling of guilt is like, on some level, but it's just so easy to push out of the mind because it's really weak anyway, the feeling.

    You don't have genuine enthusiasm or passion?? I can't imagine life without it. I don't at all get you about developing whatever superficial version of it. Why is this weird social word even requiring that? Well I'm still the bull in the china shop when talking about social world so nevermind me. ;p


    8 -> 5, becomes utterly hostile and sadistic, retreating from the world and fighting anything that dare crosses the 8's boundaries
    unhealthy (nowhere near level 9 pathological destruction or level 8) 8 fix + 5 fix -> retreating some and becoming more argumentative. 5 fix naturally draws person to introversion somewhat anyways.
    Oh, I am really into being argumentative and I wondered before why I am like this. This kind of makes sense unfortunately.

    As for the being utterly hostile and sadistic, no, back then with the disintegration thingie, I was just doing the things I described, about withdrawing. I wasn't specifically more hostile or sadistic. I don't really understand anyway how can you both retreat and fight at the same time?


    3's don't always need other people's validation to achieve their desire, though they greatly appreciate it.
    What do they do when they don't need validation? I thought the very core definition of 3 was desire for validation?! Desire to feel worthy and good enough through being admired and validated. And btw I don't relate to that.


    A 3 at the end of their life wants to look back on something and say "I did this, I was successful, I won."
    Won in what sense? This is again pretty vague.


    If you see life as a game with winners and losers, chances are you are a 3.
    Wtf is the idea of "life as a game"?

    I've heard that expression before but that just sounds ridiculous to me. No I take life more seriously than that crap.


    BTW: The 3-5-8 is infamous for being emotionless and extremely narcissistic. Also, the 3-5-8 has been known to ignore the Super-Ego when not motivated occasionally.
    Quite honestly if narcissism involves grandiose thoughts then meh no... I prefer to be realistic. I don't need to imagine wishful BS about myself. I am egocentric yes but I don't need to think of myself in grandiose terms if it doesn't match reality as it leads nowhere :P

    Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue of being thought of as a narcissist, because I'm perfectly aware of my egocentrism and I do have a lot of confidence to go with it as well and I do expect to get things for myself and don't like criticism, I just don't relate to this part of the concept as mentioned.

    I do know someone who's probably archetype of 3-5-8, I think he's an 583 or 538. So I think I know what you mean about 3-5-8 being emotionless and narcissistic though he isn't that terribly narcissistic either because he has his ideas about integrity. E.g. he is against double standards including when this principle applies to himself He's just extremely egocentric, but got only a somewhat inflated image of himself. Still I've seen his inflated ego prevent him from getting certain business related deals and I thought that was pretty stupid

    Aye, I ignore any kind of super-ego easily. Not just occasionally, it's my default state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valaki View Post
    Ah interesting. I was never into feeling guilt much. Please don't think I am some sort of sociopath now heh

    I mean, I know what the feeling of guilt is like, on some level, but it's just so easy to push out of the mind because it's really weak anyway, the feeling.

    You don't have genuine enthusiasm or passion?? I can't imagine life without it. I don't at all get you about developing whatever superficial version of it. Why is this weird social word even requiring that? Well I'm still the bull in the china shop when talking about social world so nevermind me. ;p




    Oh, I am really into being argumentative and I wondered before why I am like this. This kind of makes sense unfortunately.

    As for the being utterly hostile and sadistic, no, back then with the disintegration thingie, I was just doing the things I described, about withdrawing. I wasn't specifically more hostile or sadistic. I don't really understand anyway how can you both retreat and fight at the same time?




    What do they do when they don't need validation? I thought the very core definition of 3 was desire for validation?! Desire to feel worthy and good enough through being admired and validated. And btw I don't relate to that.




    Won in what sense? This is again pretty vague.




    Wtf is the idea of "life as a game"?

    I've heard that expression before but that just sounds ridiculous to me. No I take life more seriously than that crap.




    Quite honestly if narcissism involves grandiose thoughts then meh no... I prefer to be realistic. I don't need to imagine wishful BS about myself. I am egocentric yes but I don't need to think of myself in grandiose terms if it doesn't match reality as it leads nowhere :P

    Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue of being thought of as a narcissist, because I'm perfectly aware of my egocentrism and I do have a lot of confidence to go with it as well and I do expect to get things for myself and don't like criticism, I just don't relate to this part of the concept as mentioned.

    I do know someone who's probably archetype of 3-5-8, I think he's an 583. So I think I know what you mean about 3-5-8 being emotionless and narcissistic though he isn't that terribly narcissistic either because he has his ideas about integrity. E.g. he is against double standards including when this principle applies to himself He's just extremely egocentric, but got only a somewhat inflated image of himself. Still I've seen his inflated ego prevent him from getting certain business related deals though and I thought that was pretty stupid

    Aye, I ignore any kind of super-ego easily. Not just occasionally, it's my default state.
    3's think of life as a competition, I was using game in the way that 3's see games, as competitions. There are winners and losers, and no in-betweens. (This is for average 3s, healthy 3s will generally try to overlook this standard)

    My enthusiasm and passion is replaced by lust. Where passion and enthusiasm would say "I aspire to do this, I will work hard and true to earn this", lust says "I must have this, at any cost, I will stop at nothing."

    Healthy 3s can find validation from within themselves (which surprisingly means I'm probably a healthy 3 or severely unhealthy). 3's do love validation from others, but they care more about success and will follow their fixation of deceit to help them achieve it when low average health, even if that means hurting others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    3's think of life as a competition, I was using game in the way that 3's see games, as competitions. There are winners and losers, and no in-betweens. (This is for average 3s, healthy 3s will generally try to overlook this standard)
    The context in which I heard the expression before made it sound like it's some artificial way of seeing life and my strong reaction is to that. I'm not sure if I can explain this well lol

    Anyway, no, I don't fully get the idea of "winners and losers". What does it mean no in-between? You mention a standard. Is this some social expectation about winners and losers? Elaborate please?

    Do keep it in mind I'm the bull in the china shop with regard to social things So I'm pretty sure I'm not a core 3 type anyway but I'm curious what's meant by the above.


    My enthusiasm and passion is replaced by lust. Where passion and enthusiasm would say "I aspire to do this, I will work hard and true to earn this", lust says "I must have this, at any cost, I will stop at nothing."
    I don't see why lust and passion would have to exclude each other.

    Note, passion and enthusiasm to me don't mean "I will work hard and true to earn this". Nope. That "be true to earn this" thing sounds like some super ego thing or some external expectation. Passion and enthusiasm - in my interpretation - are of intrinsic origin however. Passion means I'm really passionately into something. I've been seen inspiring others in the process so it can also be called enthusiasm in that sense. Again, others were worried that I was going to overdo it because of the passion. lol


    Healthy 3s can find validation from within themselves (which surprisingly means I'm probably a healthy 3 or severely unhealthy). 3's do love validation from others, but they care more about success and will follow their fixation of deceit to help them achieve it when low average health, even if that means hurting others.
    How do you define success? I really need to hear your definition of it.

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