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    @small.wonder, have you read this? I think the descriptions of the cognitive functions are good. (Caveat: There are things I definitely disagree with, so I'd take it with a grain of salt. But it's good if you stick to the overall gist.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Oh, you've removed the video.



    I did watch it once, the morning after you mentioned me. I have been putting off this post, because I find it difficult to tell people what their types are. I can never pin anything down with any definitive validity, I can only translate perceived qualities to minute details of theory. Rarely do I encounter those one-sided demonstrations of personality, in which I can identify wholly the theory to the facts. You are not one of these types (fortunately, in my opinion).

    Put facilely, the difference between INFP and INFJ is the lead function - rational (Fi) or irrational (Ni). Rational functions apply and project logic to experience, irrational functions are the attitudes by which experience is defined. I don't believe there is benefit to be had by pinning yourself to either. You have a strong base on which you rest, INFx. I feel the benefit of identification lies exclusively from an external point of view - as Jung details, guidestones for helping another in a therapeutic fashion.

    So my question is, what benefit do you envision for yourself, knowing your type? If it is to know yourself, absolve yourself of type. Study all aspects of personality with equal fervor, and get to know yourself as an individual, independent of the facts.


    I think you should break the gender mold and go ESTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    ISFJ is out of the question, lol.
    Not that I ever really thought so either, but why do you think that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    Not that I ever really thought so either, but why do you think that?
    I've never seen an ISFJ type themselves as 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Yeah, I don't have a problem entering conflict and have always balked at that aspect of the INFP description. I like to resolve conflict, yes, but I often think the best way to do that is to really get into it.

    So yes, INFJ, but IJFN in order of strength. That's a little wild for a dominant introverted intuitive. I'd think N would be stronger if that were the case. No wonder it's been tricky for you. I'm not saying you're -not- an INFJ, but if you are, you use your other than dominant functions an awful lot. My results, in comparison:
    Yet it still considered my scores to be INFJ? What does that generally mean if a type uses their non-dominant functions a lot? Is this uncommon? Does it even make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    I've never seen an ISFJ type themselves as 4.
    Oh okay, no doubts there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    @small.wonder, have you read this? I think the descriptions of the cognitive functions are good. (Caveat: There are things I definitely disagree with, so I'd take it with a grain of salt. But it's good if you stick to the overall gist.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    Yet it still considered my scores to be INFJ? What does that generally mean if a type uses their non-dominant functions a lot? Is this uncommon? Does it even make sense?
    Using non-dominant functions occur when a person is really trying too hard to be perfect…

    An ENFP might use Si to prove to an ISTJ they are not worthless…
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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    So yes, INFJ, but IJFN in order of strength. That's a little wild for a dominant introverted intuitive. I'd think N would be stronger if that were the case. No wonder it's been tricky for you. I'm not saying you're -not- an INFJ, but if you are, you use your other than dominant functions an awful lot. My results, in comparison:
    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    @small.wonder, have you read this? I think the descriptions of the cognitive functions are good. (Caveat: There are things I definitely disagree with, so I'd take it with a grain of salt. But it's good if you stick to the overall gist.)


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    Okay I started reading this-- Hold the phone! This really stuck out to me:

    "Percentages displayed on MBTI tests do not indicate the strength of a dichotomy. They represent the certainty level of the dichotomy. So if you get 100% Introvert, it doesn't mean you're necessarily more introverted than someone who gets a 80% - it just means you can be more certain of being introverted."

    So my scores are not representative of strength at all, but of my certainty of being an Introvert, iNtuitive, Feeler, and Judger. I'll continue to read about the functions but just had to comment on that part because of what you mentioned earlier about my scores pointing to frequent use of my non-dominant functions. If what they are saying is true, we have no way of knowing that at all. Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    Okay I started reading this-- Hold the phone! This really stuck out to me:

    "Percentages displayed on MBTI tests do not indicate the strength of a dichotomy. They represent the certainty level of the dichotomy. So if you get 100% Introvert, it doesn't mean you're necessarily more introverted than someone who gets a 80% - it just means you can be more certain of being introverted."

    So my scores are not representative of strength at all, but of my certainty of being an Introvert, iNtuitive, Feeler, and Judger. I'll continue to read about the functions but just had to comment on that part because of what you mentioned earlier about my scores pointing to frequent use of my non-dominant functions. If what they are saying is true, we have no way of knowing that at all. Right?
    I touched on that issue in my first post in the thread. One of the reasons I kind of like that Big Five test I linked to you is that, unlike the official MBTI and many of the online type tests, it's not "forced choice." It gives you five choices for each question — an "in the middle" choice as well as mild or strong in each direction. For that reason, it's reasonable to expect the SLOAN percentage scores to have something to say about the strength of your preferences. With a forced choice test, that's not really true. Somebody with, say, a mild S preference could easily take a forced choice test and, assuming they knew themselves well and interpreted the questions properly, end up choosing the S response for almost all (or all) of the questions, with the result being a very high S score. (That said, I think scores that are close to the middle on forced choice tests tend to be some indication that your preference on that dimension — in whichever direction — is probably on the mild side.)

    I'd also note that, to the extent that that website you've quoted would lead you to believe that, setting aside what tests can tell you, there's really no such thing as different strengths of your preferences, you should ignore it. Jung himself — besides saying he thought more people were in the middle on E/I than were significantly extraverted or introverted — also stressed that people of the same type varied considerably in terms of the strength (or, as he often characterized it, "one-sidedness") of their preferences. Myers likewise distinguished between people with mild and strong preferences, and I don't think I've ever heard of any reasonably well-known MBTI-related source claiming that every introvert (for example) was equally introverted, or that any of the other preferences manifested at only one possible level of strength.

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