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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    You're TOO effected by it though. I don't think that a core 7w6 would be as effected by that.
    Why not? 7w6 is abruptly affected by any sudden negative change that's impossible to ignore. I'd be bothered by that scenario (though in a more Thinkerish way).

    I've noticed that so/sx's tend to have more loyalty to a "click" of people, while so/sp people tend to have more loyalty to like an organization, or a club, or something.
    Would make sense, assuming the clique is a gathering of people that the so/sx is close with. If you're sx-last, you'd probably be even more reliant on social groups for your personal needs, because one-on-one time wouldn't be an option. Meaning, it made perfect sense when my so/sp friend called her 20-30-person religious group her "family", even when she didn't know every individual that's a part of it. She feels at home in her group.
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    The interesting thing in this thread (as in many others of its sort) is that we are not trying to determine the facts: what kind of person someone is, but what label to put on them: what few-letter simplification should stand for it. I think I got a better idea of who Chanaynay is from watching his video than from the listing of types in his signature.

    What is the use of types again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    How do you think a 7w6 would react? Just go "fuck it" and find new friends?
    I don't think that they would be as emotionally effected by it as you were.

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    ISTx. This is about the detective novelist Raymond Chandler, correct?
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    The interesting thing in this thread (as in many others of its sort) is that we are not trying to determine the facts: what kind of person someone is, but what label to put on them: what few-letter simplification should stand for it. I think I got a better idea of who Chanaynay is from watching his video than from the listing of types in his signature.
    And what knowledge about me have you gained? I want to know!

    What is the use of types again?
    For fun!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I don't think that they would be as emotionally effected by it as you were.
    Not even if they considered them important people?

    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    ISTx. This is about the detective novelist Raymond Chandler, correct?
    Good job detective.
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    This just in: my mom says I sound more like a 7 than a 2 after showing her the Soul Child and Idealized Aspect of 7 and 2, so I'm sticking with 7w6. She's not really knowledgeable about Enneagram but I still view her as someone who knows me well enough to have valid input. Plus, I relate more to 7 than 2 in those descriptions. I feel like so/sx and 7 is just a weird combo.



    Edit: I also see nothing about social 7 seeing their friends as their "party crew." In fact, social 7s sound very giving and dedicated towards others as a way of expressing their social idealism.

    Social Seven: Sacrifice
    Social Sevens are characterized by relinquishing their personal freedom and aspirations for social ideals. They have a profound sense of obligation toward others and feel that they must sacrifice themselves to fulfill what they see as their responsibilities. Their sacrifices are in the service of a future that they imagine and make plans to realize - a future that promises to give them the sense of belonging, social acceptance, and social standing that they lack. The passion of gluttony manifests here as a hunger for this sense of social ease and for all of the things that they believe will give it to them. Ichazo (per Lilly and Hart) uses the descriptor social limitations and describes this subtype as "predetermining his social activities," which highlights a different nuance of this subtype. It points the Social Seven's tendency to map and plan his social involvements to resolve his social insecurity.
    The last sentence really strikes a nerve. I've always struggled with feelings of social insecurity/anxiety and went to making friends and doing social things as my way of avoiding those feelings. When I'm alone in a crowd those feelings of social anxiety come back to bite me in the butt.
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    Never stopped thinking you were a 7. Same reasoning as always. though if I had to add another reason, it would be that you seem to react very strongly to the 7 descriptions and more "meh" to the 2 descriptions.

    Also, FTR, I never thought the "party crew" thing held water, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    I feel like so/sx and 7 is just a weird combo.



    Edit: I also see nothing about social 7 seeing their friends as their "party crew." In fact, social 7s sound very giving and dedicated towards others as a way of expressing their social idealism.
    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Would make sense, assuming the clique is a gathering of people that the so/sx is close with. If you're sx-last, you'd probably be even more reliant on social groups for your personal needs, because one-on-one time wouldn't be an option. Meaning, it made perfect sense when my so/sp friend called her 20-30-person religious group her "family", even when she didn't know every individual that's a part of it. She feels at home in her group.
    The more I read and learn and think, the more I understand and feel that so/sx is not accurately a "partier" type (though of course many of us like to party every once in a while!) but really more a close-knitting, personally attentive, bond-strengthening type. I saw it called the "best friend" once and I think that's really right. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe there are more crowd-focused so/sx people out there, but the more so/sx I talk to, the more it seems to me that we are actually fairly intimate individuals in terms of the company we keep and how we relate. Once upon a time - long ago - I thought "Fe" equated to "group" and I learned how that wasn't quite right. More recently I thought "Social" equated to "group" but that's not quite right, either. It's more like Social is "seeing things in terms of larger networks", which So/Sx and So/Sp both do. And then for So/Sx specifically, we tend to want to "spark" individuals into lasting, close-knit, tightly connected networks with ourselves, sort of a perpetual cycle of spark-bond-spark-bond-spark-bond. And BFF 4 lyfe.

    @Chanaynay I think that could go a fairly long way in explaining why you feel like a more caring, connected, other-focused 7.

    Also I totally empathize. ENFP and 6w7 is a bizarre combo too. I'm not footloose and fancy free as I should be as an ENFP but I'm not as collected and on top of things as I should be as a 6, either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Never stopped thinking you were a 7. Same reasoning as always. though if I had to add another reason, it would be that you seem to react very strongly to the 7 descriptions and more "meh" to the 2 descriptions.

    Also, FTR, I never thought the "party crew" thing held water, either.
    Honestly, looking at it from experience, it's actually the so/sx 2s that are all about their party crew. Those ESFJs can go hard man.

    Eh, I react strongly to the idea of being unloved, which is the main part of the 2 description. What I don't relate to is that 2ish desire to seek into oneness with whoever you're with - my mom does this a lot with me and it annoys the piss out of me. I also don't feel as suffocating and invasive as 2. I'm really only concerned for others when I...well, feel concerned for them. I don't do as much checking in for the sake of being a good friend even though my friends wouldn't mind it. I also don't try to act a certain way to draw out a love-affirming response out of someone. I mean sometimes I do (my heart fix is still definitely 2 after all) but it's not something I need. It makes me feel good but I don't need it to sustain myself. Although being deprived of that can get me down.

    I feel like this post sucks, but I think this topic has generally been over-discussed really haha. @Elfboy, just so you know, I probably seem more 2ish around you because I'm genuinely care about you as a friend. Hard to explain, something about you as a person touches me and I feel like I want to be like your little cheerleader as you try to make your way through life. I think @Amargith called ENFP "life's cheerleaders" once didn't she?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    The more I read and learn and think, the more I understand and feel that so/sx is not accurately a "partier" type (though of course many of us like to party every once in a while!) but really more a close-knitting, personally attentive, bond-strengthening type. I saw it called the "best friend" once and I think that's really right.
    I never really saw so/sx as a "partier" type or as a vapid social butterfly; I always thought of it as the best friend like you described it. It's this website that calls so/sx the best friend btw. I think what the TGO was saying about social 7s and their party crew was more theorized from the classic idea of 7. Because when one thinks of 7 one doesn't really think "giving" or "people-focused." But again, social 7s are a weird bunch. Just wanted to bring up this quote from Maitri as well:

    Their sacrifices are in the service of a future that they imagine and make plans to realize - a future that promises to give them the sense of belonging, social acceptance, and social standing that they lack.
    Which is what I do all the time. When I first started college and made my group of "best friends" I thought about all the fun things we could do together - dressing up for Halloween as Mean Girls since there were four of us, captioning the picture "love my plastics <3," going to dances, cheering at the football games, hiking, comforting each other, having real conversations, etc. But then to get that close to them I have to sacrifice my personal freedom for them, becoming a slave to the times we would head out to eat, constantly messaging them wondering where they were, having my feelings hurt when Alie or Em would give me the cold shoulder, trying to push my way into pictures they were taking, etc. Eventually, the amount of myself I gave to them was way too much and I had to cut the ties off because they were taking too much energy and emotion away from me - which itself is an indicator of a 7 reclaiming its freedom (I really liked the way I phrased that - sounds heroic - @Starry hope you see this so you can appreciate it).

    Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe there are more crowd-focused so/sx people out there, but the more so/sx I talk to, the more it seems to me that we are actually fairly intimate individuals in terms of the company we keep and how we relate. Once upon a time - long ago - I thought "Fe" equated to "group" and I learned how that wasn't quite right. More recently I thought "Social" equated to "group" but that's not quite right, either. It's more like Social is "seeing things in terms of larger networks", which So/Sx and So/Sp both do. And then for So/Sx specifically, we tend to want to "spark" individuals into lasting, close-knit, tightly connected networks with ourselves, sort of a perpetual cycle of spark-bond-spark-bond-spark-bond. And BFF 4 lyfe.
    It's often hard to draw the line between Fe and the so instinct. If I had to define it now, I'd say Fe is more "taking others into consideration" which is more just a neutral (well I mean...not neutral per say...F itself isn't very neutral) decision-making process based on how it affects others while the so instinct is more of seeing the expansive social realm around you and trying to make connections while sifting your way through it. so/sx gathering its own collection of friends, and so/sp working around already established groups. I'd also say so/sx is more concerned with that sense of chemistry while so/sp is less discriminator about who it befriends (in that sense at least), especially when the so/sx has strong sx like we determined about me all the way back in my so/sx thread.

    @Chanaynay I think that could go a fairly long way in explaining why you feel like a more caring, connected, other-focused 7.

    Also I totally empathize. ENFP and 6w7 is a bizarre combo too. I'm not footloose and fancy free as I should be as an ENFP but I'm not as collected and on top of things as I should be as a 6, either!
    To be honest, I liked the idea of being an ENFP 2w3 because I always liked the idea of having a quirky combo like ENFP 2w3/4w3/4w5/6w7/8w7/9w1, etc. But at least 7 and so/sx is interesting. But nah, looking at the 2 (and 3) descriptions it made me feel really uncomfortable about who I am when I was considering being 2w3. And not in a way that it was uncomfortably accurate, it just made me really unsure of myself and I didn't like that.
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