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    You just don't give off a very anxious or neurotic vibe. Reserved and cerebral enough that you might also read as 5. Doesn't help that you're also sp-first, and it's so easy to confuse sp and 5. (Or at least, it's easy for me to confuse them.)

    I'm gonna go with 6, though. In part because I've never known a 5 to be so perpetually cranky and in part because of this, which I found on Personality Cafe:

    Distinguishing between enneagram 5, and 6.
    A lot of 6w5s type as 5s because some of the differences are very subtle, and have to do with their thoughts, rather than any obvious more external clues. 6 is a common type for intp, and every other mbti type for that matter.

    Some not easily observable differences in the 5, and 6:

    6s are more focused on the external. 5s, internal. 6s are also internal at times but they have more energy focused on the world.

    6s thoughts are quicker, more hasty decisions are made, then gone back on sometimes. The mind generates thoughts and ideas quickly, and may stream several possibilities at the same time, as the 6 teeters back and forth between these different ideas. A 5 can more slowly connect the dots, in their stream of thought, carefully, building from a, to b, to c. A 6 will connect a, to b, to c, then recheck a, and b, finding alternatives to each, sort of like quickly shifting alternate puzzle pieces – and this happens very fast.

    5s are less anxious than 6s. The 6 wants the answers, the truth, the knowledge, so they can settle an inner anxiety. They want these things quickly.

    The 6 profiles flat out suck, and I don’t actually expect any 6 to identify with and accept them. It makes them out to be social sixes (variant flavoring) usually, and it really plays up their anxiety, magnifying it to make it absurd and unrealistic. This is not to say that the 6 doesn’t experience a lot of anxiety. There is an undercurrent of anxiety in a 6 – lots of what-if thinking, and contingency planning (which doesn’t mean that 6s take a boyscout pack of tools with them everywhere, they just have thought through things that could go wrong, so they can be prepared for them).

    6s are affected by things in their environment more than 5s. They are more aware of that environment in general in the first place, but an example of being affected would be something like this: a 6 witnesses someone elses misfortune, say an accident for example.. well, that 6 is going to take a note on how to prevent that from happening to -them-. A 5 wouldn’t necessarily feel connected to the incident enough to think that scenario through in a way that applies to them. 6s are also more aware of authority — especially authority they consider to be corrupt. 5s don’t typically give a damn to notice. They don’t feel touched by it. They have a level of detachment that the 6 does not have.

    6s can go for stretches of time without really noticing their anxiety. They can think -over- the anxiety in a way, not paying attention to that shaky scared track playing underneath it at all. Counterphobic 6s can even go without noticing their fear, as they just reduce it to a little exciting push, that propels them headfirst into a situation instead of away -from- that situation like a phobic 6.

    A 6s gut and img fixes can often be -very- present, sort of through their sixness, also. Many 8 fixed 6s can seem like 8s for example. I often see the primary types (3, 6, 9) as being more transparent panes that the other fixes in the type can show through. My point is that this is another thing that makes it difficult to identify a 6, or identify yourself as a 6.
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    6w5-9w8-4w5 sp/sp/sp

    You go out of your way to touch bases and fit in with others like a 6 would, even when you're not seeking any other personal depth.

    Kinda iffy about the heart fix because it's hardly evident, but I can't see you as a 3 or a 2 very easily...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    6w5-9w8-4w5 sp/sp/sp

    Kinda iffy about the heart fix because it's hardly evident, but I can't see you as a 3 or a 2 very easily...
    @ the bolded

    Why not 9w1 for gut fix?

    I'd be more inclined to see 3 than 4. But then again, the evidence I'm thinking of could also be 6 disintegration to 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    @ the bolded

    Why not 9w1 for gut fix?

    I'd be more inclined to see 3 than 4. But then again, the evidence I'm thinking of could also be 6 disintegration to 3.
    9w8 because he pushes back when his peace is disrupted. He's not really as avoidant as you would think a 9w1 would be.

    Why 3?

    I see some elitism with him, that could perhaps be interpreted as either 3ish or 4ish, but it reminds me of INTPCentral's proverbial resistance to the mores of society on the basis that people, in general, are stupid. This strikes me as more 4-ish, as the process seems to backpedal away from others rather than meeting them on their own terms.

    Finding where disintegration/integration ends and where tritype fixes begin is a chore, ain't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    proverbial resistance to the mores of society on the basis that people, in general, are stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    9w8 because he pushes back when his peace is disrupted. He's not really as avoidant as you would think a 9w1 would be.
    I'd attributed that to 6-ness. But then again, it's so hard to see 1 influence in others. It's sneaky.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Why 3?
    Because I didn't see 2 or 4. But seriously, it's because of some posts of his I'd read where he compared his own accomplishments with those of others -- weighing his opinion of himself off that. I associate 4 with "I am myself and if people don't appreciate that then it's their problem". But you're the 4 -- I don't "get" 4ness all that much so I defer to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I see some elitism with him, that could perhaps be interpreted as either 3ish or 4ish, but it reminds me of INTPCentral's proverbial resistance to the mores of society on the basis that people, in general, are stupid. This strikes me as more 4-ish, as the process seems to backpedal away from others rather than meeting them on their own terms.
    Hm! Makes sense. (And again, taking your word for it as a 4.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Finding where disintegration/integration ends and where tritype fixes begin is a chore, ain't it?
    Yes. Made finding my own tritype a pain in the ass, too.
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    Bumping this thread again a year and a half later. I've been testing as a 3 now, and also identify as ISTJ. Input appreciated. @EJCC @Typh0n @Vasilisa @Beorn @Cimarron @Eilonwy@hive @Jarlaxle @Noll @ReadingRainbows @Evee @five sounds @chickpea @Honor @Wind Up Rex @Oaky
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    Oh for sure ISTJ.

    For Enneagram I'd guess 6w5 63x sp. Could also see 3w4 but you definitely have a 6 fix.

    What types do you feel like you integrate/disintegrate to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    What types do you feel like you integrate/disintegrate to?
    I have no idea. Maybe 3, which would make sense as a 6, but I'm not sure. When stressed, I usually either work harder or just give up completely and go into a sort of prolonged malaise-meltdown mode, frequently the former followed by the latter. In either case, it's always accompanied by me criticizing others I feel are less talented, intelligent, or otherwise deserving. (One of my worst traits that I'm really not proud of, is an occasional tendency to corner those close to me, and inquire about why they think they or someone else is more deserving than myself, or why I should be forgiving and overlook someone else's faults if they're in a similar vein as my own. In fact, I've been called out for being mean and bitter a few times, again by those close to me.

    OVerall, my thought is that 6 and 3 are the strongest, though I could be wrong and I'm not sure in which order.

    Sorry in advance if this is full of run-ons and is confusing at all. Dead tired and heading to bed. I'll check this thread again tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Oh for sure ISTJ
    I still find it fascinating that this is pretty well agreed upon but it took the better part of four years on the forum.
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