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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Concerning your post #48, I already knew you couldn't take criticism (Fe). Although I'll admit that Poimandres was basing some statements on negative stereotyping.

    Now can we get back on topic, please? The following IS important to you. Consider the constellations in the night sky as a metaphor for individuation. At first you see only a bunch of stars (the collective personality), but eventually you begin to see shapes and patterns. (I'm not necessarily talking about astrology here.) These patterns begin to form what we call constellations. These are patterns distinct from the rest of the star field.

    I'm not saying that individuation is about focusing on certain personality traits. It's about bringing forth certain traits from the unconscious and making these traits individual to you, part of your uniqueness.
    Good metaphor. So you're saying...that there is not consistency in what comes out of my unconsciousness and there's no pattern to what I make part of myself?

    That kind of sounds like the opposite of Fi though. People always say Fi strives for internal consistency of character or value or something.


    I think I can take criticism if it seems neutral in tone, like this is something about what I do that isn't working. What I have seen on this thread does not seem neutral. Maybe I'm projecting judgment onto it. Were you saying that is me being Fe or that I can't handle Fe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Good metaphor. So you're saying...that there is not consistency in what comes out of my unconsciousness and there's no pattern to what I make part of myself?

    That kind of sounds like the opposite of Fi though. People always say Fi strives for internal consistency of character or value or something.
    Your psyche is based more in the collective unconscious than in your individual, conscious self. If you lack a dominant characteristic, then the pattern is still trying to emerge from your unconscious self. Jung calls this "constellating," which is a product of an unconscious function brought forth by interaction with your conscious environment. The "constellation" which is (or could become) your dominant function is still part of the conglomeration of functions which lie in the unconscious, but it functions more consciously and volitionally with the environment. Parts of yourself which do not rise from the unconscious by your own will are in a constant state of flux, like the chaos that existed in the universe before there were any laws of physics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Good metaphor. So you're saying...that there is not consistency in what comes out of my unconsciousness and there's no pattern to what I make part of myself?

    That kind of sounds like the opposite of Fi though. People always say Fi strives for internal consistency of character or value or something.


    I think I can take criticism if it seems neutral in tone, like this is something about what I do that isn't working. What I have seen on this thread does not seem neutral. Maybe I'm projecting judgment onto it. Were you saying that is me being Fe or that I can't handle Fe?
    I suggest that every time someone talks about you personally, even if in an attempt to be helpful, you not only take it as an insult, but I think you are seeing everybody whose opinion you ask as a proxy parent. You are looking for approval and not getting it.

    Fe is far more likely to have that pattern than Fi. So while your patterns do exist, they aren't based on an individual sense of self-worth. Being reactive to the environment, they are as unpredictable as the environment you're in. You will then attempt to surround yourself with a predictable environment in order to keep the flux under control. That is auxiliary Je, in this case, Fe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    And thanks people for taking this opportunity to be gratuitously insulting. Seems like this is what is admired and respected on the forum.
    Oh. Sorry. That was so INTP of you -- i've made a terrible mistake.

    (I'm kind of surprised you felt the need to slander the entire forum, though.)

    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Ok.

    Point #1: You are incorrect in the part of your post to which I was replying. What you said I was doing is not what I was doing. I instead listed what I was doing. How is that not clear?

    Point # 2: I asked if anyone saw Te in my posts. You said you did, I said you might be right. That should be clear as well.

    Point # 3: In my mind an opinion should be based on things which are true fitting together. Being XNTP produces the fewest inconsistencies with what I think I know about myself. Other people may have a different understanding of the functions and attribute things about me to different functions, so I am always open to new perspectives. If I am to agree with someone else's opinion it should have the same level of coherence. I prompt people to respond to what I think is inconsistent with their opinion, and evaluate the response.

    Point #4: I asked you to flesh out your opinion.

    Point #5: Reiterating the purpose of the OP about which you seem to be confused.

    Does that clarify things?
    No, it doesn't. One thing I've noticed in your posting history is that your attempts to clarify usually just obfuscate the matter further. I mean, none of your answers (1) say anything differently or (2) say anything, really, content-wise. It's all the same vague circular commentary that occurred earlier.

    Evidently you do care then, because you care about me not being one of 2.
    Oh alas, humiliated again by your powerful logix.

    Anyway, take my comments seriously for a moment. Your username is actually very apt, and I don't mean that in any kind of judging way, it just is what it is:

    You're very much like a little green fairy, puttering about like a butterfly in a beautiful garden, sipping nectar from flowers and humming and talking to yourself and whoever might pass by. These conversations tend to manifests more as musings, with no real direct in mind. You seem to be focused on an inner world that only you really see. When someone asks a question, you can either agree with them (if it matches up with your inner vision) or you immediately push back (if it doesn't match), but you're not really listening to what is being said and evaluating it on its own merits by some type of process logic, you're just responding to how it matches up with your inner world.

    You rather like to remain absorbed in your inner reality and keep a placid calm outer world. on occasion, if prodded enough, you'll become annoyed and splash social water in someone's direction for a moment, then go back to your normal behavior.

    Whatever type that is, that's what you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Your psyche is based more in the collective unconscious than in your individual, conscious self. If you lack a dominant characteristic, then the pattern is still trying to emerge from your unconscious self. Jung calls this "constellating," which is a product of an unconscious function brought forth by interaction with your conscious environment. The "constellation" which is (or could become) your dominant function is still part of the conglomeration of functions which lie in the unconscious, but it functions more consciously and volitionally with the environment. Parts of yourself which do not rise from the unconscious by your own will are in a constant state of flux, like the chaos that existed in the universe before there were any laws of physics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I suggest that every time someone talks about you personally, even if in an attempt to be helpful, you not only take it as an insult, but I think you are seeing everybody whose opinion you ask as a proxy parent. You are looking for approval and not getting it.

    Fe is far more likely to have that pattern than Fi. So while your patterns do exist, they aren't based on an individual sense of self-worth. Being reactive to the environment, they are as unpredictable as the environment you're in. You will then attempt to surround yourself with a predictable environment in order to keep the flux under control. That is auxiliary Je, in this case, Fe.
    Mal, we tend to disagree on some things strongly, but here I think you have done an excellent job in perceiving and explaining what's going on. In fact, I think you are getting at something similar to what I am trying to get at, just in very different ways. I appreciate you offering yet another framework for looking at this.

    I'm nodding a LOT when you mention "based more in collective unconscious," and "approval seeking" and the connection to Fe.
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    you're INFP, deal with it
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Mal, we tend to disagree on some things strongly, but here I think you have done an excellent job in perceiving and explaining what's going on. In fact, I think you are getting at something similar to what I am trying to get at, just in very different ways. I appreciate you offering yet another framework for looking at this.

    I'm nodding a LOT when you mention "based more in collective unconscious," and "approval seeking" and the connection to Fe.
    I don't think we disagree that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I don't think we disagree that much.
    Dammit, stop that!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    You mean the part that goes, "and I don't believe I'm SFJ, so there you have it"?

    Which type holds that belief is more important that facts and reason?
    It's the whole flow of the post hopping from one thing to another - all connected ideas and thoughts.

    No use overcomplicating all of this.

    @greenfairy I do think it seems unlikely you are an NTP as you can see in this thread how they think

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    It's the whole flow of the post hopping from one thing to another - all connected ideas and thoughts.

    I think you may overcomplicate things.
    No INTP would do such a thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    @greenfairy I do think it seems unlikely you are an NTP as you can see in this thread how they think
    Maybe. But it's also true that there are only 3 who are participating, which is hardly a representative sample.

    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    you're INFP, deal with it
    So what, I'm just supposed to assume I use Fi and inferior Te and just forget about logic and reasoning? I'm becoming more open to the idea, but I'm not yet convinced. And not everyone thinks I'm INFP, not even the majority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    No, it doesn't. One thing I've noticed in your posting history is that your attempts to clarify usually just obfuscate the matter further. I mean, none of your answers (1) say anything differently or (2) say anything, really, content-wise. It's all the same vague circular commentary that occurred earlier.
    Well, I really do try to make my thoughts clear, so I'm sorry I'm incapable of doing that for you and some other people. As you mention below, I usually don't really have an argument perse, just thoughts. They aren't directed toward a certain conclusion. That may be why you are frustrated looking for one. If I do have an argument I haven't had much trouble communicating it in situations in which it matters. I try to reserve judgment on things usually. And fwiw I have just as much trouble following some other people on the forum, without any pattern in type.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Anyway, take my comments seriously for a moment. Your username is actually very apt, and I don't mean that in any kind of judging way, it just is what it is:

    You're very much like a little green fairy, puttering about like a butterfly in a beautiful garden, sipping nectar from flowers and humming and talking to yourself and whoever might pass by. These conversations tend to manifests more as musings, with no real direct in mind. You seem to be focused on an inner world that only you really see. When someone asks a question, you can either agree with them (if it matches up with your inner vision) or you immediately push back (if it doesn't match), but you're not really listening to what is being said and evaluating it on its own merits by some type of process logic, you're just responding to how it matches up with your inner world.

    You rather like to remain absorbed in your inner reality and keep a placid calm outer world. on occasion, if prodded enough, you'll become annoyed and splash social water in someone's direction for a moment, then go back to your normal behavior.

    Whatever type that is, that's what you are.
    I think this is a more or less accurate description.

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