Paying to be typed

[Azure Flame]

Look, I think the problem is that you don't accept the first rule of helping people, and that rule is, do no harm.

Everything else is transparent manipulation.

Answer my question.

 

[Mole]

I see.

So, how large should this governing peer review body be?

Well, if for instance we present a scientific work in Physics, then anyone is entitled to criticise it.

However mostly likely working Physicists will criticise the work.

The same of course for medicine or psychology or ethnomusicology.

 

[Azure Flame]

Well, if for instance we present a scientific work in Physics, then anyone is entitled to criticise it.

However mostly likely working Physicists will criticise the work.

The same of course for medicine or psychology or ethnomusicology.

Alright. So anyone is entitled to criticize my work. The judging body is of infinite size. Now what happens after the work is judged?

 

[Mole]

Who is capable of judging what logic is sound and valid?

Who is capable of judging if the logic of the judging entity is valid?

You?

What makes you so special, because you said so?

What about stephen hawking, I hear he's a pretty cool guy. Lets put him in charge of our science.

A professor of Symbolic Logic is capable of judging whether logic is sound and valid. But logic doesn't get us very far. We need empirical evidence and reason. And the reason is usually inferential logic rather than deductive logic.

Science is a process falsifiability. Science is not a matter of authority or bellef, but rather a matter of scepticism.

 

[Azure Flame]

A professor of Symbolic Logic is capable of judging whether logic is sound and valid. But logic doesn't get us very far. We need empirical evidence and reason. And the reason is usually inferential logic rather than deductive logic.

Science is a process falsifiability. Science is not a matter of authority or bellef, but rather a matter of scepticism.

Answer my latest question. What happens when my work is judged. Stop wasting my time and running me in circles. Wearing me out doesn't make you intelligent, it makes you a coward for not having the guts to admit you were wrong. Stop wasting my time.

 

[Mole]

Alright. So anyone is entitled to criticize my work. The judging body is of infinite size. Now what happens after the work is judged?

Many will repeat the experiment in the hope of finding a discrepancy. For instance, many continue to measure the speed of light in the hope of finding something faster.

And as the speed of light has not been falsified for more than 100 years, we feel more confident in the facts of Relativity which are based on the speed of light as the maximum speed possible.

 

[Mole]

Answer my latest question. What happens when my work is judged. Stop wasting my time and running me in circles. Wearing me out doesn't make you intelligent, it makes you a coward for not having the guts to admit you were wrong. Stop wasting my time.

My issue with you is a moral issue. But is seems to be an issue to which you are blind.

 

[Azure Flame]

Many will repeat the experiment in the hope of finding a discrepancy. For instance, many continue to measure the speed of light in the hope of finding something faster.

And as the speed of light has not been falsified for more than 100 years, we feel more confident in the facts of Relativity which are based on the speed of light as the maximum speed possible.

Fair enough.

So lets just say hypothetically I made 100+ youtube videos and posted them on the internet for an infinite number of people to judge and test for themselves.

Suddenly word spreads that I know what I'm talking about and suddenly this happens:

Is this any different than your scenario?

 

[greenfairy]

There are better things to do with your money than to pay for psuedoscientific fluff that doesn't even engage you in any way.

Well, but consider all the time I and so many others spend on here analyzing the types of ourselves and others. If time roughly translated to money, we'd be wasting a lot of it when we could just get typed by a professional and be done with it. Assuming that would work better, which most of us are not assuming...but you never know.



[MENTION=3325]Mole[/MENTION], you and [MENTION=10984]DJ Arendee[/MENTION] are entitled to your debate. But I have to personally step in here because it's my thread; I think you are overreacting. Anyone is entitled to charge $30 for anything. The problem is when they claim to have credentials which they don't (and DJ Arendee is not doing this). That's what laws protect. I could sell you a bottle of water "charged with energy" and call it a potion, and if you want to buy it, no one is going to try to stop you by telling you you are gullible. And think about it, if you really wanted to, would you even want them to stop you?

Now I'm all about academia, and want to go into the field- but that doesn't mean I think only professors can know anything about philosophy, and only psychologists can make insights into personality. To the extent that something adheres to the scientific method, then academia is the proper realm for it- but many things really don't, including psychology. It was only recently that psychology took a turn toward behaviorism and physicalism, rejecting the notion of consciousness which is independent of the body, because they wanted to be "validated" by the scientific community- but the relation between mind and body is still in debate. Things which aren't strictly scientific are partly just based on opinion of the educated, and educated people can be anywhere.

I think this is a classic debate between Te and Ti, with Te over-relying on external validation. So please don't call people sociopaths because they don't share your view.

Also I'm guessing your Te is inferior, because this is exactly the kind of thing I've read about in my research on inferior functions, so I'm typing you as INFP.

 

[Mole]

Anyone is entitled to charge $30 for anything. The problem is when they claim to have credentials which they don't (and DJ Arendee is not doing this). That's what laws protect. I could sell you a bottle of water "charged with energy" and call it a potion, and if you want to buy it, no one is going to try to stop you by telling you you are gullible.

We have Consumer Protection Laws, don't you?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

We have Consumer Protection Laws, don't you?

We do, but we like to weaken them because they're socialist and infringe on freedom. Also, all a "health supplement" needs to do is slap a label on it saying that they haven't been evaluated by the FDA. I think there's also something about how they aren't making any medical claims, even though they are.

It's possible that Australia may be better in this regard. Australia does have a few laws that I think are sensible, like mandatory voting.

 

[greenfairy]

We have Consumer Protection Laws, don't you?

I don't think they would apply to the situation which is being argued about, nor should they.

 

[Azure Flame]

I do have to worry about consumer protection laws. Its illegal for me to claim I am a licensed LPC. I'm not. The correct term is "life coach." In other words, any old fuck with something to say can claim life coach status and charge for it.

However there is a lot of incentive for me to get my license. If I became a licensed LPC, I would look much more appealing in the eyes of the public. No one would question my validity and my business would take off significantly more than it has. So simply because of market forces, its in my best interest to get certified. However that's way too much time and effort and helping people, while fulfilling, is not something I'm necessarily willing to pay money or effort for to gain a masters degree.

Now, there is the problem of those certain feeler personalities who are too impulsive and not patient enough to analyze every purchase. Unfortunately this is the world we live in, and there is almost no system capable of making a decision that everyone can agree upon. That would only work if there was a state in the united states that was communist or totalitarian so that anyone who wanted a king to determine what is best for them can live an easy life free of thought or analysis. But even then you don't need a totalitarian government to live this way. You just need to find a job that offers such a thing (the military, for example).

 

[Mole]

I do have to worry about consumer protection laws. Its illegal for me to claim I am a licensed LPC. I'm not. The correct term is "life coach." In other words, any old fuck with something to say can claim life coach status and charge for it.

However there is a lot of incentive for me to get my license. If I became a licensed LPC, I would look much more appealing in the eyes of the public. No one would question my validity and my business would take off significantly more than it has. So simply because of market forces, its in my best interest to get certified. However that's way too much time and effort and helping people, while fulfilling, is not something I'm necessarily willing to pay money or effort for to gain a masters degree.

Now, there is the problem of those certain feeler personalities who are too impulsive and not patient enough to analyze every purchase. Unfortunately this is the world we live in, and there is almost no system capable of making a decision that everyone can agree upon. That would only work if there was a state in the united states that was communist or totalitarian so that anyone who wanted a king to determine what is best for them can live an easy life free of thought or analysis. But even then you don't need a totalitarian government to live this way. You just need to find a job that offers such a thing (the military, for example).

These are strong anti-social ideas. And expressed without insight.

They are are a strong warning not to seek help from you.

Unfortunately your ideas gain support from sociopathic personalities.

So we have a duty to advise and warn.

 

[Azure Flame]

Alright I think I've heard enough out of you.

 

[Mole]

Alright I think I've heard enough out of you.

It's called the free market of ideas, open to all members.

We are free to call out shonky ideas and shonky practices.

The alternative would be to give the shonks free rein.

 

[Azure Flame]

It's called the free market of ideas, open to all members.

We are free to call out shonky ideas and shonky practices.

The alternative would be to give the shonks free rein.

Right, keep calling people you know nothing about a sociopath. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself, loser. Maybe one day you'll have some self esteem to talk shit to their face in real life. I bet you kiss ass to prevent yourself from getting beaten on a regular basis by people with self respect.

 

[Mole]

Right, keep calling people you know nothing about a sociopath. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself, loser. Maybe one day you'll have some self esteem talk shit to their face in real life.

The word, 'loser', is an Americanism and reflects the exploitation and self hatred running through American society, and so it comes trippingly to your tongue.

 

[greenfairy]

Ok guys, cool it. I'm going to ask the mods to move your posts to the graveyard.