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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    So... what do you think we should do. Shut down all psychiatrists because we suspect they're passively preying on the weak?

    While we're at it, lets shut down all chiropractors.

    Lets shut down all acupuncturists.

    In fact, anything heuristic, lets ban that too.
    We should make sure our psychologist is a member of a registered Psychological Association.

    Such an Association will monitor the psychologist to ensure they do no harm.

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    Hmm, I heard people were selling generators for 500% during hurricane katrina. That sounds mean. Lets just make that illegal too and let the government sell the generators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    We should make sure our psychologist is a member of a registered Psychological Association.

    Such an Association will monitor the psychologist to ensure they do no harm.
    So what kind of perfect entity do you think is permitted to judge the validity of such an institution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Hmm, I heard people were selling generators for 500% during hurricane katrina. That sounds mean. Lets just make that illegal too and let the government sell the generators.
    You seem to value the exploitation of the vulnerable. So I would suggest caveat emptor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    You seem to value the exploitation of the vulnerable. So I would suggest caveat emptor.
    Answer my latest post. I'm actually engaging you in a real debate now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    So what kind of perfect entity do you think is permitted to judge the validity of such an institution?
    The American Medical Association ensures doctors do no harm, and the American Psychological Association ensures psychologists do no harm.

    The first rule of helping people is do no harm.

    But perhaps you are wise not to join such an Association because they strike off members who exploit or harm others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    The American Medical Association ensures doctors do no harm, and the American Psychological Association ensures psychologists do no harm.

    The first rule of helping people is do no harm.

    But perhaps you are wise not to join such an Association because they strike off members who exploit or harm others.
    I see...

    But you still didn't answer my question. I don't care about the actual institutions in play. Obama could enact the "bumblefuck center for kids who can't read good" and it won't make a damn bit of difference.

    I want you to explain to me the actual infrastructure. How do you create an institution that allows only perfectly valid science to permeate its bounds?

    Who is capable of judging what logic is sound and valid?

    Who is capable of judging if the logic of the judging entity is valid?

    You?

    What makes you so special, because you said so?

    What about stephen hawking, I hear he's a pretty cool guy. Lets put him in charge of our science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    I want you to explain to me the actual infrastructure. How do you create an institution that allows only perfectly valid science to permeate its bounds?
    Well, we might start with Peer Reviewed Journals where any published scientific work is subject to critical analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Well, we might start with Peer Reviewed Journals where any published scientific work is subject to critical analysis.
    I see.

    So, how large should this governing peer review body be?

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    Look, I think the problem is that you don't accept the first rule of helping people, and that rule is, do no harm.

    Everything else is transparent manipulation.

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