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    Default Stuck on the N/S fence

    So, apparently I have auxiliar Fe from what I've gleaned of my interaction with others here. However, partly mostly because of the S/N ballyhoo that always happens when that dichotomy is discussed, I've sort of felt ambivalent about my own dominant Perceiving function for a good while. That, and young SJ adulthood in the internet age is probably the sort of thing that challenges a lot of trusty SJ archetypes.

    So, I dunno if this could help me get rid of that X (unless I feel people will judge me differently if I pick one letter or other), but, if you have any good questions to disambiguate the S/N dichotomy or opinions about my major letter, would you be so kind as to give me a hand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    So, apparently I have auxiliar Fe from what I've gleaned of my interaction with others here. However, partly mostly because of the S/N ballyhoo that always happens when that dichotomy is discussed, I've sort of felt ambivalent about my own dominant Perceiving function for a good while. That, and young SJ adulthood in the internet age is probably the sort of thing that challenges a lot of trusty SJ archetypes.

    So, I dunno if this could help me get rid of that X (unless I feel people will judge me differently if I pick one letter or other), but, if you have any good questions to disambiguate the S/N dichotomy or opinions about my major letter, would you be so kind as to give me a hand?
    If your Enneagram is 6, it is doubtable that you are INFJ.

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    I think you're an ISFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubi2cube View Post
    If your Enneagram is 6, it is doubtable that you are INFJ.
    Why not? 6 seems all over the map MBTI wise.

    I think 6 might be a little more common with ISFJ but no reason why it can't work for INFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Such Irony View Post
    Why not? 6 seems all over the map MBTI wise.

    I think 6 might be a little more common with ISFJ but no reason why it can't work for INFJ.
    I think SilkRoad was an INFJ 6w5?

    In any case, it's also possible that I might be a 9, as my signature states, so that may be a misleading venue of thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I think SilkRoad was an INFJ 6w5?
    Yep! A great example of an INFJ 6 with counterphobic tendencies. (She actually left the forum because she couldn't stop herself from posting replies to people who made her angry.)

    I believe @Rail Tracer is another INFJ 6?
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    You're right. Most people don't seem to want to accept that Ni and Si are as similar as they are, even to the user. Both have the detachment from the object, dealing in impressions and symbols, and both operate largely invisibly to the outside world.

    My preferred way of drawing this distinction is to evaluate the interaction between the dominant and inferior functions in the person. I think a HEAVILY stressed Si/Ne will be more likely to withdraw and catastrophize and mask (unconscious Ne making us afraid of "ghosts" in a way, and cover for unhappiness with impulsive behavior like shopping), while a stressed Ni/Se will instead be more likely to retreat into hedonism (unconscious Se making them exhibit an unhealthy self-indulgent body focused distraction, like abusing alcohol, food or sex).

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    Honestly, I have similar conundrums as @Viridian. So I can't, as of yet, give you my perspective on IXFJ.

    But I did reach to the conclusion that I am more than likely to be a 6 instead of a 9. But that is because I think I've found the underlying motive for many of my actions, and that is just thinking too much or thinking too far (that took me forever to find out.) Within every action I make comes with a thought of some sort and I often let my thoughts carry me away. The thoughts lead to self-doubt about the right course of action to take and such. The whole thing is second-nature that I didn't notice it until people pointed out. It is often disguised to look like I'm unmoved, though.

    When I do seem to look like a 9 is when my mind doesn't feel like it is on hyper-drive (like right now.)

    Have you look at your underlying emotions yet? (the whole fear/anxiety or anger/gut)

    The Six in the Thinking Centre

    Sixes have a hard time getting in touch with their thinking and inner guidance. Like Fives, they focus their thinking inward to avoid external threats, but they have serious doubts about their own abilities. Consequently, they seek reassurance and confirmation outside themselves. However, Sixes may start to doubt their authority figures, resulting in a vacillating between their own ideas and those of others. Sixes seek security by finding something (or someone) in which to believe. By having a clear set of rules or beliefs, Sixes will gain confidence to cope with life. Sixes feel they must earn their security. They believe if they do their part for the authority, it will take care of them. Sixes are constantly aware of their anxiety and always react against it. Sometimes, they rely on their authority to allay their fears, sometimes they will courageously confront their fears directly.
    The Nine in the Instinctive Centre

    Nines are out of touch with their instinctual drives. Nines believe that expressing their views or asserting their needs will cause conflict or lack of harmony. Nines shut down most of their instincts by repressing and denying their own wants and needs. Nines try to maintain their autonomy by resisting change (both external pressures and passionate feelings). Nines often accommodate and go with the flow (in a sense giving up their independence), but they do so with the agreement to give the Nine her own space to do her own thing. If they don't get that space, their underlying rage may come out in passive-aggressive forms.

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    When you are given a project, can you just sit down and start working on it?

    This is one major difference between me and my ISFJ mom. She can just tackle problems. I need a lot of upfront thinking time where it appears that I'm not even thinking about the project at all, then it will come to me in tiny bits and flashes, floating around in my head for a long while like little fishlets, and just right before the deadline everything will crash into place and I now have to work until 2am to put it all into reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    You're right. Most people don't seem to want to accept that Ni and Si are as similar as they are, even to the user. Both have the detachment from the object, dealing in impressions and symbols, and both operate largely invisibly to the outside world.

    My preferred way of drawing this distinction is to evaluate the interaction between the dominant and inferior functions in the person. I think a HEAVILY stressed Si/Ne will be more likely to withdraw and catastrophize and mask (unconscious Ne making us afraid of "ghosts" in a way, and cover for unhappiness with impulsive behavior like shopping), while a stressed Ni/Se will instead be more likely to retreat into hedonism (unconscious Se making them exhibit an unhealthy self-indulgent body focused distraction, like abusing alcohol, food or sex).
    The Si/Ne here does sound more like me, except for the shopping thing. I do try to distract myself, bu I'd say it's more like keeping myself busy, in a way. I find it hard to relax nowadays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    Honestly, I have similar conundrums as Viridian. So I can't, as of yet, give you my perspective on IXFJ.

    But I did reach to the conclusion that I am more than likely to be a 6 instead of a 9. But that is because I think I've found the underlying motive for many of my actions, and that is just thinking too much or thinking too far (that took me forever to find out.) Within every action I make comes with a thought of some sort and I often let my thoughts carry me away. The thoughts lead to self-doubt about the right course of action to take and such. The whole thing is second-nature that I didn't notice it until people pointed out. It is often disguised to look like I'm unmoved, though.

    When I do seem to look like a 9 is when my mind doesn't feel like it is on hyper-drive (like right now.)

    Have you look at your underlying emotions yet? (the whole fear/anxiety or anger/gut)
    Given those descriptions, I do relate more to 6, though I'm also very conflict-avoidant (in a somewhat compulsive way). I guess it's hard for me to tell because I simultaneously care too much about things and get stuck in ruts of apathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    When you are given a project, can you just sit down and start working on it?

    This is one major difference between me and my ISFJ mom. She can just tackle problems. I need a lot of upfront thinking time where it appears that I'm not even thinking about the project at all, then it will come to me in tiny bits and flashes, floating around in my head for a long while like little fishlets, and just right before the deadline everything will crash into place and I now have to work until 2am to put it all into reality.
    I do have some problems with procrastination. Things always seem stressful or daunting, so there's sort of a psychological resistance to doing them to some extent.

    Thanks for your help!
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

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