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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I loved setting up our kitchen. It's carefully organized for the most efficient use. It actually irritates me a lot when anyone moves things, because it's always to a less optimal area....
    And one thing that never ceases to amaze me is what he can notice. For example, he has preferred hangers for different coats and comments when I take one. Usually he's selected appropriate hangers and it really makes sense but hangers are hangers to me until he points out the difference. He does not alphabetize spices or anything that detailed, but things like putting the heavier jackets on the wooden hangers rather than the first one I grab really does make sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    Thinking of consequences and precedents being set is often a strength of the Thinking preference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    That doesn't ring true with me at all. I've always thought carefully about the consequences before I make any important decision (Ti) whereas my INFP mom goes with what she feels is right, regardless of the consequences (often with disastrous results but anyways...)

    I think this is pretty true to our respective types, too.
    Hm. Well, maybe it's a Ti thing, then. After all, I'm half INTP.


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    I rather dislike the term sensing to describe S functions and have as much disdain for intuition for N functions.

    I also hate when people mention details and subtlety pertinent to S vs. N. The two amount to a greater amount of confusion than nearly any other in the study of typology.

    Sensing attends the facts that are presented. Intuition attends the stream the data comes in on. Not the media it's carried on... its focus is on how everything is related to, or affects to everything, or usually, more accurately, anything else. This goes for both Ni and Ne.

    It's extremely difficult to imagine all the implications of what I've just said, so I'll give some examples, and explain precisely how all four functions work.

    I can't do it right now, so if I haven't posted in a day or so, someone PM me and remind me 'cause I might forget. Makes for a good flow y'know?

    As a matter of fact, I think I might even use one of my favorite movies as a template, 'cause all four perceiving functions are adequately represented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    I rather dislike the term sensing to describe S functions and have as much disdain for intuition for N functions.
    Sensing preference and Intuitive preference are the terms preferred by the major type publishers. Unfortunately the words were brought to us via Jung and 80 years later we are stuck with them. Worse are the problems that result from Judgment/Perception (and the publisher preferred terms are Judging preference and Perceiving preference...)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Sensing attends the facts that are presented. Intuition attends the stream the data comes in on.
    Linda Berens of 16types.com wrote in v30 n3 (2007) issue of the Bulletin of Psychological Type, quoted an Anglican minister in Australia, ISTJ, describing her experience of Si..."She really resonated with a book she had read about a whale making a deep dive, being pulled to explore the depths of what he had know was there and how it was like coming home. She said she was taking a risk to describe this to the class as she rarely talked about this deep knowing that is so hard to explain...sense of deep knowing is a universal knowing of how things have always been. When you perceive that, what a sense of certainty you have about the natural order of things, the sequence and, of course, what needs to be done next!...This is so much more than perception by way of the five senses."

    She showed the article to Bob McAlpine of Type Resources, an ISTJ with decades of type experience. He replied, "One thing that is becoming clearer to me regarding Introverted Sensing is the emotional energy surrounding it (and all other introverted functions). What I am discerning regarding personal introverted Sensing is the more emotional the experinece is, the more vivid the image and the more difficult it is to acknowledge or accept another perspective. Universal introverted Sensing comes from such a deep place until it is extremely difficult for me to separate it form introverted Intuition. However, with introverted Sensing, there is a feeling of having been there before, as in the movie Patton when George C. Scott says, "Rommel, we have met here before." With introverted Intuition, I get no sense of having been there before."

    The entire article does a wonderful job of letting Si's speak for themselves, which I think is key to accurate type descriptions. McAlpine has actively sought to gather panels of people with the same type preferences so they can work together to explain to others how their preferences operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    Thinking of consequences and precedents being set is often a strength of the Thinking preference.
    I don't think it has to be a dominant or even auxiliary preference, though, for it to be a noticeable characteristic of a person.

    Oh, and I totally do the hanger thing! Heavy coats go on thick hangers, as do pants. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    That doesn't ring true with me at all. I've always thought carefully about the consequences before I make any important decision (Ti) whereas my INFP mom goes with what she feels is right, regardless of the consequences (often with disastrous results but anyways...)

    I think this is pretty true to our respective types, too..
    It's not in my experience. I have always been cautious and with an eye on avoiding disaster. I also try to learn by other's examples and what I read in books, and to extrapolate what's been learned out to other things...etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
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    I'm pretty sure -- and you'd be hard pressed to find someone on the site who disagrees -- that I know what I'm talking about.

    I'd wager those preferences are for the sake of simplicity: Using several different terms to reference the same thing/concept is nothing but confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    I'm pretty sure -- and you'd be hard pressed to find someone on the site who disagrees -- that I know what I'm talking about.
    You'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the world of type professionals that would disagree that I know what I'm talking about. There's a lot of info out there, lots of ways to interpret it. I'm always on the hunt for words from the people who've confirmed their type preferences that give information on how they experience the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    It's not in my experience. I have always been cautious and with an eye on avoiding disaster. I also try to learn by other's examples and what I read in books, and to extrapolate what's been learned out to other things...etc.
    Interesting. I'll look at examples etc to help me understand the principles... ideas.. but I'll find my own path. It could be that you are using well developed lesser function though.. and there is an ST face helping you learn from examples and books.. or at least absorb long enough to feed your intuition and values.

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    What is this a challenge? Or do you think you're the awaited messiah of the typology here to save we wretches from the blindness we've endured so long?


    Anyway, I'm not wrong. Intuitors use their eyes, ears, mouths etc. just as much as sensors do. Ergo, sensation is a poor term. Intuition isn't a great one either, since the very etymology of the word suggests that there's no dependence on sensory data. In fact, it strictly excludes it.

    That is incorrect.

    By depending too heavily on tired rhetoric we can easily lose sight of application and truths for supposed theory.
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