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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Sx last and that's all I can say for sure.

    @SuchIrony you're a 5 so you're naturally going to lean toward Sp - that makes it difficult to discern your subtype. Judging by your answers you sound Sp-like but your So answers are no different to what I would have written.

    I have thought of you as a fellow So for a while now, but that's based less on facts and more on my instinctive impression. You do seem to frequent So-style threads a lot too - and the types of arguments you put forth often feel Social-first in nature too.

    I may just be biased though
    A curious question but what would soc threads be and what is an soc way of communicating?

    But yes, skimming through the OP's questionnaire the mindset and attitude is very foreign to me so sx last definitely. The 5 subtypes are harder to discern from each other too unless you touch the 5's instinctual sweet spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    A curious question but what would soc threads be and what is an soc way of communicating?
    Well, IMO the social instinct is about holding different ideas/perspectives/people/things in your head at once, and grouping and/or differentiating between them. It's not necessarily including a judgement in this (ie. ____ is better than ___ ); it's generally discerning similarities and differences or recognising the specific, unique aspects of something. It's sort of like that Sesame Street game, "One of these things is not like the other".

    IMO Social-style threads include, or discuss, this sort of stuff:

    - general comparing and contrasting
    - cultural differences
    - religion, politics, or idealogical issues
    - controversial/debated current affairs or social issues
    - what is or isn't appropriate/acceptable/legitimate etc
    - advocating certain causes
    - listing, categorising, or choosing personal preferences
    - opinions/interpretations of music, television, films, books etc
    - archetypes, stereotypes and generalisations

    It's true that any type can be interested in these sorts of topics but Social-firsts spend more time on them.

    I also recognise that not all Social-firsts are interested in all of these things. My Dad is a Social-first but he's a 9w8 and a ISTP which makes him rather detached about a lot of things - besides he doesn't much like talking about something just for the sake of it. Although it comes out in different ways with him. He and I have this game when a song comes on the radio (usually 50s, 60s or 70s music - which we are both interested in) and we challenge one another to guess who sang it. Even my Si-dom mum hates this game, so I know it's not specific to Si- style knowledge gathering (and my Dad doesn't use Si anyway). To me, it's like a form of So-style competition.

    Anyway to bring it back on topic, if I were to go through the list of threads @SuchIrony (I hope you won't mind) has posted in, you can see that many of them fit within that list above. Here's just the first 2 pages. I've bolded the ones I think are particularly Social-style threads (or would be attractive topics to So-firsts), although some of the others might be as well. And sometimes it's not the thread itself that is related to the Social instinct related, it can be the way the person engages in the topic:

    Thread: Which country would you like to eliminate?
    Thread: "How many guys have you slept with?"
    Thread: How do you know if a woman is a thinker or a feeler?
    Thread: Guess the musical tastes of the poster above you.
    Thread: What-cha-what-cha-what-cha Watched?
    Thread: Post your handwriting
    Thread: Guess the musical tastes of the poster above you.
    Thread: The Truth About Economics
    Thread: "My Dream is to be a Wife"
    Thread: TypeCentral Members Psychoanalyze Your Avatar for Free
    Thread: Trying to zero in on my type, after looking into functions more. Help please.
    Thread: Odd man out (by title alone!)
    Thread: Have You Ever Caught Anyone Doin' It?!
    Thread: How do you know if a woman is a thinker or a feeler?
    Thread: Let's play "Would You Rather"
    Thread: Trying to zero in on my type, after looking into functions more. Help please.
    Thread: What's your favourite type of 'creation'?
    Thread: What's my type questionnaire
    Thread: Do people have friends who are a similar type?
    Thread: What's your favourite trait about yourself and why?
    Thread: Trying to zero in on my type, after looking into functions more. Help please.
    Thread: Let's play "Would You Rather"
    Thread: In the future...
    Thread: What's Your Instinctual Stacking?
    Thread: ENTPs, what are your two strongest letters
    Thread: ENTPs, what are your two strongest letters?
    Thread: Four temperaments within the NT temperament
    Thread: Which type do you think gets scared the easiest?
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    Thread: Socionics quadras - How one behavioral group experiences another.
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    Thread: Post gross stereotypes here!
    Thread: What's your instinctual stacking?
    Thread: Socionics quadras - How one behavioral group experiences another.
    Thread: Socionics quadras - How one behavioral group experiences another.

    Thread: Such Irony's stacking thread
    Thread: Socionics quadras - How one behavioral group experiences another.
    Thread: What would happen if NTs are the only ones who exist in this world?
    Thread: Four temperaments within the NT temperament
    Thread: Are all INFPs obsessed with Ramen?
    Thread: Is The Person Above You Accurately Typed?
    Thread: 4's and drama
    Thread: What do you know?
    Thread: "Your intelligence is quite attractive..."
    Thread: What do you hate about yourself?
    Thread: Socionics quadras - How one behavioral group experiences another.
    Thread: What do you know?
    Thread: My child is ISJ
    Thread: Is The Person Above You Accurately Typed?
    Thread: What do you hate about yourself?
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    Interesting. And on what basis would you judge those particular threads and his participation in them indicative of the soc instinct (I have participated in some of them as well but I'm clearly soc last XD)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Well, IMO the social instinct is about holding different ideas/perspectives/people/things in your head at once, and grouping and/or differentiating between them. It's not necessarily including a judgement in this (ie. ____ is better than ___ ); it's generally discerning similarities and differences or recognising the specific, unique aspects of something. It's sort of like that Sesame Street game, "One of these things is not like the other".

    IMO Social-style threads include, or discuss, this sort of stuff:

    - general comparing and contrasting
    - cultural differences
    - religion, politics, or idealogical issues
    - controversial/debated current affairs or social issues
    - what is or isn't appropriate/acceptable/legitimate etc
    - advocating certain causes
    - listing, categorising, or choosing personal preferences
    - opinions/interpretations of music, television, films, books etc
    - archetypes, stereotypes and generalisations

    It's true that any type can be interested in these sorts of topics but Social-firsts spend more time on them.
    I guess my posting pattern does indicate a focus on these sorts of threads. I tend to find these thread topics the most interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Interesting. And on what basis would you judge those particular threads and his participation in them indicative of the soc instinct (I have participated in some of them as well but I'm clearly soc last XD)?
    Most of them I'm going on the title but a few that were vague I looked up what they were about.

    Some of them are drawing opinions on 'issues' (eg. "My Dream is to be a Wife"), some of them are about choosing preferences (eg. "would you rather"), some are about discerning differences (eg."Trying to zero in on my type, after looking into functions more. Help please."), some are about generalisations (eg. stereotypes like, "Are all INFPs obsessed with Ramen?", or "Which type do you think gets scared the easiest?"), and some are inviting people to draw comparisons (eg. "Post your handwriting").

    Just to be clear, I'm not saying that everyone who posts in those threads is a So-first. Other people could be attracted to those topics for different reasons. I think it's the pattern that I see SuchIrony posting in so many threads like these and more importantly the ways she chooses to respond in these threads. When a So-first responds in such threads it is with a specific intention in mind. For example, I posted a bit in one of the gun control threads, which is very much an "issue" thread that would draw So-firsts to it. Others (Sp or Sx-firsts) might post there because they have a gun and want to protect their rights to it, or because they know someone that was a victim of gun violence, or just because they think guns are just stupid and wrong - but I post there because I see it as an issue I want to debate. People can have a different attitude to the same thread and want different things out of it. Does that make sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I guess my posting pattern does indicate a focus on these sorts of threads. I tend to find these thread topics the most interesting.
    Yeah, exactly. Me too.

    I think people get bogged down in thinking the Social instinct is all about networking, hierarchies and socialising. Those might be just a few ways to apply the same basic thinking. If you're an ambitious, business-minded e3, discerning differences in social structures and in whom has power and influence is going to be important. If you're a gregarious e7, you're going to use it to connect with other people through discerning differences in various social environments and learning to adapt to them. You're a 5 so you're it's going to be used to master knowledge and perhaps engage in debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Most of them I'm going on the title but a few that were vague I looked up what they were about.

    Some of them are drawing opinions on 'issues' (eg. "My Dream is to be a Wife"), some of them are about choosing preferences (eg. "would you rather"), some are about discerning differences (eg."Trying to zero in on my type, after looking into functions more. Help please."), some are about generalisations (eg. stereotypes like, "Are all INFPs obsessed with Ramen?", or "Which type do you think gets scared the easiest?"), and some are inviting people to draw comparisons (eg. "Post your handwriting").

    Just to be clear, I'm not saying that everyone who posts in those threads is a So-first. Other people could be attracted to those topics for different reasons. I think it's the pattern that I see SuchIrony posting in so many threads like these and more importantly the ways she chooses to respond in these threads. When a So-first responds in such threads it is with a specific intention in mind. For example, I posted a bit in one of the gun control threads, which is very much an "issue" thread that would draw So-firsts to it. Others (Sp or Sx-firsts) might post there because they have a gun and want to protect their rights to it, or because they know someone that was a victim of gun violence, or just because they think guns are just stupid and wrong - but I post there because I see it as an issue I want to debate. People can have a different attitude to the same thread and want different things out of it. Does that make sense?
    Thanks a lot! That makes a lot of sense and I got a bit of a better idea of soc so it was very useful. The gun debate thread you mentioned is interesting because I am active on another forum where exactly such a thread existed which was very popular and now when you bring up these differences it's really interesting to note on people's debate styles. Some people for example clearly had an "agenda" being there, seeing gun-related violence as a kind of social injustice or as you say, "an issue" and they almost made more a deal out of it because it was an "issue" than whether they were willing to provide any real substance of how to solve the problem. I'm thinking of one particular member who was extremely vocal and while her underlying reasoning was that owning guns are wrong, the way she came across was more like she was campaigning for a cause. Another member who was strongly pro-gun was in the thread only to defend his right to bear arms and I was there because I think it's right to prohibit gun use among the general populace and that's about it. I have no stronger feelings towards the issue itself than that. Actually, I should clarify, my arguments ultimately boiled down to the safety of yourself and others and I mentioned many examples of accidental use of domentic gun-related violence which caused harm to people you loved such as your own children, LOL. (Actually, this is really interesting, godamn, I'll think about this all night now.)

    And some of the other threads you mentioned, it's interesting also how my mind just tends to kind of ignore these as automatically boring or uninteresting and when I visit these threads it's usually in this kind of lazy and not very engaging manner. I tend to for example write a post and then leave to never look back again. I think it's very unlikely that I'd for example would participate in a thread called "My Dream is to be a Wife". The title isn't interesting. If the thread however was called, "What kind of music you'd prefer?" I would go there right away and start vomit about how much I like metal music.

    So yeah, I really appreciate the clarification. Unfortunately I think I'd still be kind of stupidly blind to these things though but at least I have a better idea to look out for XD

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    Actually, it's stupid how childishly happy I feel over "getting" soc after this explanation. Or getting it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Thanks a lot! That makes a lot of sense and I got a bit of a better idea of soc so it was very useful. The gun debate thread you mentioned is interesting because I am active on another forum where exactly such a thread existed which was very popular and now when you bring up these differences it's really interesting to note on people's debate styles. Some people for example clearly had an "agenda" being there, seeing gun-related violence as a kind of social injustice or as you say, "an issue" and they almost made more a deal out of it because it was an "issue" than whether they were willing to provide any real substance of how to solve the problem. I'm thinking of one particular member who was extremely vocal and while her underlying reasoning was that owning guns are wrong, the way she came across was more like she was campaigning for a cause. Another member who was strongly pro-gun was in the thread only to defend his right to bear arms and I was there because I think it's right to prohibit gun use among the general populace and that's about it. I have no stronger feelings towards the issue itself than that. Actually, I should clarify, my arguments ultimately boiled down to the safety of yourself and others and I mentioned many examples of accidental use of domentic gun-related violence which caused harm to people you loved such as your own children, LOL. (Actually, this is really interesting, godamn, I'll think about this all night now.)
    The bold sounds like social stuff anyway I look at it. Eye-in-the-sky concern for the well-being of the people. The topic itself and the arguments seem like some combination of sp/so or so/sp.

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    I know tests don't mean a whole lot but I found this variant test over on Personality Cafe and it nailed my stacking as SP/SO/SX
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The bold sounds like social stuff anyway I look at it. Eye-in-the-sky concern for the well-being of the people. The topic itself and the arguments seem like some combination of sp/so or so/sp.
    I don't think general concern for the well being of people is a Social trait - anyone can be concerned about this. My Mum, for example, has strong beliefs around this issue and many others, and she's a So-last. For her though, I think it's a mixture of Fe and e6 concern for others, as well as a strong set of personal beliefs. She's not really interested in the back and forth of the debate or in forming well-thought out arguments - she just knows what she believes and gets irritated that others don't believe the same.

    I do think you're more likely to get Sp/So and So/Sp participating in such threads. Others might offer their opinions and then disappear, but we tend to get really stuck into the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Such Irony View Post
    I know tests don't mean a whole lot but I found this variant test over on Personality Cafe and it nailed my stacking as SP/SO/SX
    I must say, that is a pretty good test - far better than probably all the ones I've come across. I would put more stock in this result than in most of them. Can I ask how you scored in Sp and So (I think Sx is clearly out of the running)?

    BTW I always test as Sp-first, although with this test, I would come out So. I do think the questions about Sp are still too limited in scope but they're far better than most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    I don't think general concern for the well being of people is a Social trait - anyone can be concerned about this. My Mum, for example, has strong beliefs around this issue and many others, and she's a So-last. For her though, I think it's a mixture of Fe and e6 concern for others, as well as a strong set of personal beliefs. She's not really interested in the back and forth of the debate or in forming well-thought out arguments - she just knows what she believes and gets irritated that others don't believe the same.
    I didn't mean to imply that. I meant to attribute well-being with Sp and the universal interpersonal focus regarding "the people" to So. And my mom is the same way as well. My best guess for my mom would be some sort of FJ, Sp e6.

    Edit: Sorry for derail @Such Irony, I'll stop here.

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