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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    When I say judging as dominant function I am clearly referring t T/F because T/F are judging functions. We use it to judge incoming data collected by our perception functions. This is completely irrelevant to the MBTI letter code J/P which describes something entirely different, namely the function of the first extraverted function in the type.

    In other words, you're not correcting anything because there's nothing to correct. You're in fact the one being wrong, factually here.
    "I am clearly referring t T/F because T/F are judging functions." And you don't see anything wrong with that?

    EricB clearly wrote something about Pi/Je. Can you explain what Pi/Je means?
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    Those are the collectives for "introverted Perception with extraverted Judgment" (or the preferred functions represented by the "J" code).
    I usually use "j" (lowercase) or just "judgment" when referring to T/F by themselves; and "J" (uppercase) or "Pi/Je" when referring to SiFe, SiTe, FeSi, TeSi, NiFe, NiTe, FeNi, and TeNi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Those are the collectives for "introverted Perception with extraverted Judgment" (or the preferred functions represented by the "J" code).
    I usually use "j" (lowercase) or just "judgment" when referring to T/F by themselves; and "J" (uppercase) or "Pi/Je" when referring to SiFe, SiTe, FeSi, TeSi, NiFe, NiTe, FeNi, and TeNi.
    Dude, you're screwing me up here.
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    How? You asked what it means. If this is so complicated; that's why I use the shorthand in the first place.
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    Well, I think I've finally figured out my type.

    INFP 5w4 sx/so

    EDIT: Back at xNFP again. If I'm really ENFP then I must be the most socially introverted one ever in human history. I should be in the Guinness book of world records if that turns out to be the case.
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    Okay so I was re-reading this thread and saw that debate between you and Kamishi, and one thing stuck out to me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    So you can't always go by how much you see someone “using” a function, to determine its place in the ego.
    If this is the case then how would someone determine someone's type? Strong intuitive hunches and vibes?

    Anyway I might have more questions if I fully understood most of the content about egos, and how the functions have a strong relationship with the psyche. I still wouldn't consider myself an expert on this. I took a 3 month hiatus from doing research on typology, so I am a little rusty. But that one quote boggles me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by louiesgonnadie View Post
    Okay so I was re-reading this thread and saw that debate between you and Kamishi, and one thing stuck out to me:

    If this is the case then how would someone determine someone's type? Strong intuitive hunches and vibes?

    Anyway I might have more questions if I fully understood most of the content about egos, and how the functions have a strong relationship with the psyche. I still wouldn't consider myself an expert on this. I took a 3 month hiatus from doing research on typology, so I am a little rusty. But that one quote boggles me.
    The ego desires a sense of satisfaction. The ego's desire motivates the dominant function into whatever activity is required for the ego to gain satisfaction. But don't look for any material gains to be the true source of the ego's satisfaction, those are only means to a psychological end. When you see someone materially losing yet is still internally satisfied, that is your clue to finding the dominant function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    The ego desires a sense of satisfaction. The ego's desire motivates the dominant function into whatever activity is required for the ego to gain satisfaction. But don't look for any material gains to be the true source of the ego's satisfaction, those are only means to a psychological end. When you see someone materially losing yet is still internally satisfied, that is your clue to finding the dominant function.

    "I didn't make any money putting on this concert, but the audience was happy, and this is what really satisfies me."
    I can see how that will ring true for say, an Fi dominant (like myself) or Si or even Fe dominant...but I have a really hard time seeing how that method of typology is applied to say, an Ne or Te dominant. Would they be internally pleased by consistent patterns and links or consistent train of thought/data?
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    Quote Originally Posted by louiesgonnadie View Post
    I can see how that will ring true for say, an Fi dominant (like myself) or Si or even Fe dominant...but I have a really hard time seeing how that method of typology is applied to say, an Ne or Te dominant. Would they be internally pleased by consistent patterns and links or consistent train of thought/data?
    I don't quite understand your question, but the example I have used for Te comes from my personal experience:

    "I also lost money when I cheated that guy, but as long as he lost money too I'm satisfied."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I don't quite understand your question, but the example I have used for Te comes from my personal experience:

    "I also lost money when I cheated that guy, but as long as he lost money too I'm satisfied."
    Yeah I don't think I explained it accurately. My main question though was how someone could determine someone else's type, if you couldn't determine it based on how often someone uses a function. I suspect you responded based on the relationship between functions and the psyche. I suppose that could be a way of determining someone's type though.
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