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    Default Help an INFP figure out his enneagram.. please? 5w4, 4w5 or 6w7?

    I'm not totally skeptical in the sense of a 6. I've noticed 6s are generally always skeptical and give off that vibe. I try to be like a 9 (peace seeking, love all around) at first, but then I realize all these things that people build on my shoulders and then I can judge let loose on a tirade and that's when I get skeptical/resentful (like a 6). But then again, it's angry with a reason but not skepticism like I've heard about most 6s. I'm generally optimistic and I hear a lot of people say I'm quiet but nice if anything.

    I can be totally selfless with the need to help people like a 2 but I don't have that flashy "oh I'm helping look at me" thing, I try to beat down my impsulivity and concentrate on how I'm helping exactly (or if I am at all).
    I can relate to trying to have competency to achieve, but not just achievement in itself, but things that actually make a difference. When I see knowledge that can actually be useful and applied, I try to keep it close to heart. I agree with knowledge being power, and when I feel stress, I've always imagined just having tons of issues pressing against me, with me not being able to deal with a single on of them. Then I break down, and do something stupid at that point of stress or say something stupid purely to hurt someone as emotionally as they have to me. I can have a fear of being deprived (7) in this state of stress too and that's when people's motives just glare at me and I get unbelievably cerebral/motive-seeking or whatever. Even then I wouldn't say this defines me, I've just noticed stress to be a good indicator of enneagram, so I'll make this as gloomy as possible

    I can relate to the deep melancholic states of a 4 (had this my whole life), but when it comes to the world I try to lower my own expression to try and cope with what I see and with myself in the world. I've noticed I can be pretty emotionally clueless/overwhelmed when I don't have support, but this isn't something I'm not totally aware of until that support ceases (relating this to how I can be like a 6).

    I've gotten 5w4 on tests a lot, (with 1w9 4w3 trifixes). I thought I could relate but I'm not fully sure at all really, since I've also gotten 6w5 and 4w5 core fixes as well.

    So, what do you guys think?
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    Come on guys ...
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    I hear no envy at all & little shame...I'd rule out 4 & the image triad over all. You resist "defining" yourself, but image types are rather contrived and generally identify heavily with a self-image, even if feeling a failure to meet that definition (ie. 4 shame). The 6 ego is such that they tend to experience themselves more consistently, but may doubt any definition for it, not finding it precise enough or whatever (fear of wrong choice). Other 6s may choose a type & overconfidently stick to it, no matter how ill-fitting or how much evidence shows the contrary, because the rigidity in a final choice makes them feel secure (fear of being wrong still).

    I don't hear much avarice/greed of time/space/energy (5) in there either. I'd go with a 7 wing, but more info might be good.

    I'm not totally skeptical in the sense of a 6. I've noticed 6s are generally always skeptical and give off that vibe. I try to be like a 9 (peace seeking, love all around) at first, but then I realize all these things that people build on my shoulders and then I can judge let loose on a tirade and that's when I get skeptical/resentful (like a 6). But then again, it's angry with a reason but not skepticism like I've heard about most 6s. I'm generally optimistic and I hear a lot of people say I'm quiet but nice if anything.
    "Skepticism" is just a clue of the 6's "vice", which is cowardice or fear. Phobic 6s may experience less conscious skepticism, instead focusing on what makes them feel secure and/or turning doubt on themselves.

    I can be totally selfless with the need to help people like a 2 but I don't have that flashy "oh I'm helping look at me" thing, I try to beat down my impsulivity and concentrate on how I'm helping exactly (or if I am at all).
    Why do you help?
    Is it any of the following applicable at all?
    - keeping busy helping takes away anxiety, simply by being too busy to think (as you may "over think) and/or to avoid being blamed for anything (laziness, selfishness, etc).
    - guilt over negative/critical thoughts, showing solidarity to hide that you may not feel it
    - gaining favor with others as a way of finding/keeping a niche with them, which makes you feel more secure/supported

    [quote]I can relate to trying to have competency to achieve, but not just achievement in itself, but things that actually make a difference. When I see knowledge that can actually be useful and applied, I try to keep it close to heart. I agree with knowledge being power, and when I feel stress, I've always imagined just having tons of issues pressing against me, with me not being able to deal with a single on of them. Then I break down, and do something stupid at that point of stress or say something stupid purely to hurt someone as emotionally as they have to me. I can have a fear of being deprived (7) in this state of stress too and that's when people's motives just glare at me and I get unbelievably cerebral/motive-seeking or whatever. Even then I wouldn't say this defines me, I've just noticed stress to be a good indicator of enneagram, so I'll make this as gloomy as possible

    I can relate to the deep melancholic states of a 4 (had this my whole life), but when it comes to the world I try to lower my own expression to try and cope with what I see and with myself in the world.
    4s aren't the only types who can have deep, melancholic states.
    The latter part sounds 6ish.

    I've noticed I can be pretty emotionally clueless/overwhelmed when I don't have support, but this isn't something I'm not totally aware of until that support ceases (relating this to how I can be like a 6).
    You're right, 6ish.

    So, what do you guys think?
    I'd say phobic 6w7. I think you're seeing it, but just not ready to commit yet. That's okay. Keep reading!
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    [QUOTE=OrangeAppled;2038299]I hear no envy at all & little shame...I'd rule out 4 & the image triad over all. You resist "defining" yourself, but image types are rather contrived and generally identify heavily with a self-image, even if feeling a failure to meet that definition (ie. 4 shame). The 6 ego is such that they tend to experience themselves more consistently, but may doubt any definition for it, not finding it precise enough or whatever (fear of wrong choice). Other 6s may choose a type & overconfidently stick to it, no matter how ill-fitting or how much evidence shows the contrary, because the rigidity in a final choice makes them feel secure (fear of being wrong still).

    I don't hear much avarice/greed of time/space/energy (5) in there either. I'd go with a 7 wing, but more info might be good.



    "Skepticism" is just a clue of the 6's "vice", which is cowardice or fear. Phobic 6s may experience less conscious skepticism, instead focusing on what makes them feel secure and/or turning doubt on themselves.



    Why do you help?
    Is it any of the following applicable at all?
    - keeping busy helping takes away anxiety, simply by being too busy to think (as you may "over think) and/or to avoid being blamed for anything (laziness, selfishness, etc).
    - guilt over negative/critical thoughts, showing solidarity to hide that you may not feel it
    - gaining favor with others as a way of finding/keeping a niche with them, which makes you feel more secure/supported

    I can relate to trying to have competency to achieve, but not just achievement in itself, but things that actually make a difference. When I see knowledge that can actually be useful and applied, I try to keep it close to heart. I agree with knowledge being power, and when I feel stress, I've always imagined just having tons of issues pressing against me, with me not being able to deal with a single on of them. Then I break down, and do something stupid at that point of stress or say something stupid purely to hurt someone as emotionally as they have to me. I can have a fear of being deprived (7) in this state of stress too and that's when people's motives just glare at me and I get unbelievably cerebral/motive-seeking or whatever. Even then I wouldn't say this defines me, I've just noticed stress to be a good indicator of enneagram, so I'll make this as gloomy as possible



    4s aren't the only types who can have deep, melancholic states.
    The latter part sounds 6ish.



    You're right, 6ish.



    I'd say phobic 6w7. I think you're seeing it, but just not ready to commit yet. That's okay. Keep reading!

    Ha, You're not the first to type me 6w7. The thing is I would have never imagined myself as a 7. Maybe a 4 or a 5 or even a competency seeking 3. But never a 7. :P

    I guess if I'm feeling guilty I could help for those reasons, but it's not usually those things. That's something that I puts me off type 6, counter-fear. I would say my motives feel more like counter-shame.

    I can help people for the pure sake of helping people, for my values. But then again, if I don't I would feel shameful and feel the need to put myself down.

    I guess I don't seek favour. I feel when I help people, it can be so inbuilt in me, that I would get my mind fixated on doing the thing that needs to be done and then running before having to go through the flattery process. That's what I mean when I help selflessly. I can relate to the fear of being blamed for not helping. I just don't like to think about myself in a fear-based way, as all those options you listed are rooted in finding a sense of security. When I start to look at my levels like that then I actually feel more disordered and irregular and unhealthy.

    Maybe that's why 6s are phobic to that sort of acceptance, being contrary to evidence of their real type, as you described.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    four wing three
    People have been calling me 6w7, even on PerC, but I can't relate to the loyalty to connections out of fear of losing them at all. I can be dependent like I said, but what follows is shame, depression etc. And some people (not everyone obvs) have called me out for not even paying attention to connections with others(like them) at all.. when I'm just naturally out of tune with reality..

    Why do you say 4w3? I definitely am some sort of 4ish 6ish 9w1ish person.. Competence is something I can identify in the 3, but it is usually competence to achieve things in my life, rather than achievement itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AverOblivious1 View Post
    People have been calling me 6w7, even on PerC, but I can't relate to the loyalty to connections out of fear of losing them at all. I can be dependent like I said, but what follows is shame, depression etc. And some people (not everyone obvs) have called me out for not even paying attention to connections with others(like them) at all.. when I'm just naturally out of tune with reality..

    Why do you say 4w3? I definitely am some sort of 4ish 6ish 9w1ish person.. Competence is something I can identify in the 3, but it is usually competence to achieve things in my life, rather than achievement itself.

    The bolded is an example of something that would guide my thinking of you being 4w3. I think of 4w5's more stoic about their being alone, perhaps. Maybe it's due to unfulfilled connections as a 6w7?


    Do you know what instinctual variant you identify with? I'm guessing sx/so...


    At any rate, I just type off of hunches, and I'm already incredibly suspect to typing people way different than what they expect, for teh lulz.

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    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=1#post1949102

    Those are the odds. I know a 7 though so there are a lot of possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    The bolded is an example of something that would guide my thinking of you being 4w3. I think of 4w5's more stoic about their being alone, perhaps. Maybe it's due to unfulfilled connections as a 6w7?


    Do you know what instinctual variant you identify with? I'm guessing sx/so...


    At any rate, I just type off of hunches, and I'm already incredibly suspect to typing people way different than what they expect, for teh lulz.
    Nah, not Sx/So. I'm actually, pretty certain about my variant, and I think it's Sp/So/Sx (with Sx last). Like I said I'm not too sure about it being due to connections or whatever, I thought it was much more broad than that. I can put on an image to deal with the world, and then go back to be myself and have thoughts like "oh why did I write this? jesus" and they would be much more authentic than my own image I gave off. Then I get shameful aspiring to express myself one day, express who I truly am? How could I ever do that?

    Maybe a bit of background info might help too, I was very self-conscious growing up, but in my younger ages below ages 12 I was very experiential and enthusiastic. I guess I could be a bit sixish then as well, I remember chasing these older uncle figure guys around with a a big piece of wood for threatening to burn my favorite toy car with a lighter. But I guess that could even be a 6 in my tritype manifesting itself at high points of stress? I've always thought I'd have levels of shame, and fear is something that attaches to immediate experiences that reveal some sort of threat in my eyes, rather than a basic driver to things. I think I fear something then, I subconsciously fear it even* more, because it would do something like give off this type of person I became by being a certain way in a conflict situation. I wouldn't say I'm this constant reactive/phobic either though, just last year I remember one of these friends I knew and this other guy were just putting me down for having low 'self confidence', and I just took it and nod my head. I just felt bad about myself. (I dunno why i remembered this specifically but it did happen).

    Hunches are cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AverOblivious1 View Post

    Ha, You're not the first to type me 6w7. The thing is I would have never imagined myself as a 7. Maybe a 4 or a 5 or even a competency seeking 3. But never a 7. :P

    I guess if I'm feeling guilty I could help for those reasons, but it's not usually those things. That's something that I puts me off type 6, counter-fear. I would say my motives feel more like counter-shame.
    Counter-shame is not helping people.... in a 4, it looks like elitism or snobbery. A better way of looking at it is a disintegration to 2 & showing PRIDE. This means pushing an image of being someone of worth, in contrast to the ugliness you feel inside.

    I can help people for the pure sake of helping people, for my values. But then again, if I don't I would feel shameful and feel the need to put myself down.
    I can see any Fi-dom saying this.

    I guess I don't seek favour. I feel when I help people, it can be so inbuilt in me, that I would get my mind fixated on doing the thing that needs to be done and then running before having to go through the flattery process. That's what I mean when I help selflessly.
    Secretly wanting flattery/acknowledgement is 4ish. Do you feel good about simply being a part of a process in which something good is accomplished as opposed to receiving recognition for an individual component you bring in?

    I can relate to the fear of being blamed for not helping. I just don't like to think about myself in a fear-based way, as all those options you listed are rooted in finding a sense of security. When I start to look at my levels like that then I actually feel more disordered and irregular and unhealthy.

    Maybe that's why 6s are phobic to that sort of acceptance, being contrary to evidence of their real type, as you described.
    Can you think of yourself in an envy-driven way? Again, I don't hear any envy or much image triad stuff at all.
    Were you considering 9 as well? Sometimes shame/self-worth issues without envy and a tendency to help or be good sans fear/guilt or image considerations is a sign of a 9. How do you feel about your own presence in life & around others? How do you deal with negative feelings & conflict?
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