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    this is my winter song EJCC's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    I should probably mention that I'm not just using 'vibe' theory here...oh no. I'm also drawing from 'you remind me of...' and so rest-assured, I have made full-use of the '2 most popular TypoC typing strategies' together!

    ^^^okay I admit to having used other, more-realiable strategies (as well) in order to arrive at a semi-informed conclusion regarding your stacking but I suck at creating responses that makes this seem like a true statement.

    For starters you're not an e1 sp. I've read more than one enneagram author describe the e1 sp as the most anxious of all 27 types...out-worrying and obsessing even the e5 & e6 sp. <---And no, I apologize, I don't have any names or citations handy to attach to this statement but I actually read this again in the link you, yourself, provided in I believe the 'so-last SJs' thread (?) Anyway...here the desire for perfection in all things is at epic proportions. And the anxiety/worry is compulsive. In other words, these are the people that...if there is nothing to worry/obsess about...they will create something to worry/obsess about...and it's my personal theory that they feel secure when worrying because they believe this hyper-vigilance will prevent them from making a mistake. I believe the e1 sp is highly linked with obsessive-compulsive disorder which is very much in line with my ISTJ e1 sp sister that has a somewhat moderate but highly-resistant-to-therapy case of OCD. And it also reflects the experience of a young INTJ e1 sp male from our site. His relatively notorious thread illustrated quite well just how deep this need for perfection and the accompanying anxiety/obsession goes for the e1 sp.

    Likewise you're not an e1 sx. Oops, I just noticed the clock and I'm running out of time here...so I'll just say that the e1 sx is more angry and self-righteous. I mean, obviously not all the time. I'm remembering two ISTJ e1 sx's that I used to work with that were so truly warm and charming when they were not pissed off ha...but holy hell piss one of them off? I believe that with e1 sp the anger is turned inward on self subsequently turning into anxiety (not that my sister can't get self-righteous though heh)...and with e1 so...the outward focus turns anger into 'accountability' which is absorbed differently if that makes sense. There's more of an 'we're all in this together' connection to the anger. But with the e1 sx...there is more of an 'entitlement' thing going on which makes them far more likely to direct their anger and frustration at individuals not living up to their standards.

    So anyway...I believe you are an so dom. I do not think sp is next in line because you do not present with that 'leashed' quality that I believe Rex & Glycerine mentioned...or that start-stop/push-pull. You are entirely open. I get that it is tempting to put sp somewhere other than last because it seems that you do address sp concerns...but that is the trick to figuring this all out. I believe an ESTJ e1 will naturally feel they have some kind of handle on 'sp' regardless of where it is in the line-up. <--- And I know that explanation leaves a lot to be desired...but like an ESTJ e1 so/sx will look like they've got...what we generally, and somtimes mistakenly, attribute to sp...in order far more than say an ENFP e7 sx/sp (like myself).

    You 'vibe' like a healthy so/sx. Healthy so/sx's have the best energy as far as I'm concerned and I'm actually envious of this stacking. They are so open and expansive...curious, gregarious, gracious...sharp, active minds...but sx keeps them grounded & down-to-earth...but still foward-moving (not that painful 'leashed' back-and-forth thing). I totally see you this way.
    Thank you for the thorough analysis! Like Wind-Up Rex's post, yours is extremely convincing. And I very much appreciate the complimentary final paragraph.

    The first bolded, I don't relate to at all, which is a good case against sp. I do tend to worry, but not when there's nothing to worry about. However, the bolded does seem like a pretty good case for my mother being sp/so; I think she uses worry as a control mechanism, in a similar fashion.

    The second bolded, I thought was very interesting. I think I relate to it? Definitely food for thought, either way.

    And I was tempted to argue with the final bolded, until I realized that I really am very open in a lot of ways. The cards I keep close to my chest are so select, and so unlikely to ever be brought up, that people tend to think that I have nothing to hide. So, yes, I agree that I'm probably just about as open as a type 1 Te-dom can be.

    As y'all can se, I have officially changed my stacking to so/sx -- thank you all so much for your help, and if anyone objects, feel free to come forward with your evidence.
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    @EJCC

    I noticed you typed as Sp/Sx for a short period. do you relate to this post? I feel it describes So last quite nicely

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    This makes for many social lasters being left out in the cold when their friend's relationship to other friends took a turn, which then affected the friend's relationship with the social laster.
    I am certain many social lasters know what I am talking about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    EJCC

    I noticed you typed as Sp/Sx for a short period. do you relate to this post? I feel it describes So last quite nicely

    (from Peony of typewatch)
    I actually don't relate to this. Recent personal experience has shown the opposite response, from me. This past August/September, two of my closest friends -- an INFJ and an ENFP, who had been dating each other -- broke up. Since then, our friend group has divided itself a bit, with some friends choosing the INFJ over the ENFP, and vice versa. I, on the other hand, have had it both ways, maintaining my friendships with both friends and the entirety of our friend group. That required a lot of strategizing on my part -- especially since I am so much on the side of the ENFP that I now hold very low esteem for the INFJ -- but through honest (but calculated) interactions with most of my friends (including the ENFP and the INFJ), I have had little trouble adapting to the situation.

    The only stress the situation has caused me, has been my frustration with the INFJ, who has taken to constantly contacting all the friends he has left (myself included) as a coping mechanism/attempt to stave off loneliness... which is annoying because of how strongly it reeks of well-meaning self-centeredness. Trying to be a good friend, but not for the sake of his friends.

    But I digress. My point is: the way everything played out seems much more So-first, than So-last.
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    You seem very so/sp from your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicki View Post
    You seem very so/sp from your posts.
    ^ I've heard this feedback from a bunch of people since this post, and I'm wondering what y'all's argument for so/sp is?

    I mean, I'm still pretty sure of so/sx, but this has happened enough that I've gotten curious. Why do I vibe sx-last?
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