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    Quote Originally Posted by tsumatachi_san View Post
    Sorry for the awful formatting, but I'm going to write my comments in bold for speed.




    Thanks again for the input It's very helpful and interesting.
    No probs.

    Having your "own" logic sounds like Ti to my understanding. I have my "own" systems that I can understand, it isn't as if I live my life never being able to find things.

    Te is about external logic, placing a set of objective criteria for all to see, building processes and "bullet points" which everyone can follow.

    A Ti and Te approach can both seem roganized if the person is left to their own devices. The, the main difference you will see is in "tidyness", but both can be efficient, and the Ti user can be as "organized" int heir own way as the Te user.

    The difference is very noticeable in the workplace. Te seeks to set in place processes for everyone to follow, and has a set of logic which everyone can clearly see and understand. Ti does not, other people won't straight away understand your system (though the results may be effective).

    Another question: what is your attitude to deadlines?

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    Ti to me in a workplace is.."I am trying to figure this out and continually improve until I reach what works(not sure if "works" is more Se specific, while Ne would need another word) best" while Te in a workplace is "lets talk, discuss, come to an agreement of best practices" Te is about "We" where Ti is about "I", Te can come across as very needy when it comes to this whole "We" thing. Ti will come across as "not a group player" though we are still working for the common cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    Ti to me in a workplace is.."I am trying to figure this out and continually improve until I reach what works(not sure if "works" is more Se specific, while Ne would need another word) best" while Te in a workplace is "lets talk, discuss, come to an agreement of best practices" Te is about "We" where Ti is about "I", Te can come across as very needy when it comes to this whole "We" thing. Ti will come across as "not a group player" though we are still working for the common cause.
    I agree with this...though I think Te is more bossy than needy.

    Also Ti is "let me do it in my own time and my own method, and I will deliver perfect results".

    Te is "this needs to be done and look professional by 11am".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    No probs.

    Having your "own" logic sounds like Ti to my understanding. I have my "own" systems that I can understand, it isn't as if I live my life never being able to find things.

    Te is about external logic, placing a set of objective criteria for all to see, building processes and "bullet points" which everyone can follow.

    A Ti and Te approach can both seem roganized if the person is left to their own devices. The, the main difference you will see is in "tidyness", but both can be efficient, and the Ti user can be as "organized" int heir own way as the Te user.

    The difference is very noticeable in the workplace. Te seeks to set in place processes for everyone to follow, and has a set of logic which everyone can clearly see and understand. Ti does not, other people won't straight away understand your system (though the results may be effective).

    Another question: what is your attitude to deadlines?
    Hmm, that's interesting. I suppose I can see that. Are you saying Te's organisation is more accessible to others?

    I'm always way ahead of deadlines - I do my work two or three weeks in advance. I've never had an issue with a deadline before. I tend to be very good at time management. I'm one of the only people in my friend group who hasn't ever struggled with handing in work on time before (this is from primary school through to university).

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    Ti to me in a workplace is.."I am trying to figure this out and continually improve until I reach what works(not sure if "works" is more Se specific, while Ne would need another word) best" while Te in a workplace is "lets talk, discuss, come to an agreement of best practices" Te is about "We" where Ti is about "I", Te can come across as very needy when it comes to this whole "We" thing. Ti will come across as "not a group player" though we are still working for the common cause.
    Oh, that's interesting. I haven't heard that before. Hmm, I tend to work well organising groups and handing out tasks to each person. However, I'm very likely to focus myself on the planning side, while assigning tasks I'm not so good at to the others - I try to assess strengths.

    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    I agree with this...though I think Te is more bossy than needy.

    Also Ti is "let me do it in my own time and my own method, and I will deliver perfect results".

    Te is "this needs to be done and look professional by 11am".
    Hmm, I'm not sure between those - I'm a perfectionist, but if there's a deadline I'll hand in something that works...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsumatachi_san View Post
    Hmm, that's interesting. I suppose I can see that. Are you saying Te's organisation is more accessible to others?

    I'm always way ahead of deadlines - I do my work two or three weeks in advance. I've never had an issue with a deadline before. I tend to be very good at time management. I'm one of the only people in my friend group who hasn't ever struggled with handing in work on time before (this is from primary school through to university).


    Oh, that's interesting. I haven't heard that before. Hmm, I tend to work well organising groups and handing out tasks to each person. However, I'm very likely to focus myself on the planning side, while assigning tasks I'm not so good at to the others - I try to assess strengths.


    Hmm, I'm not sure between those - I'm a perfectionist, but if there's a deadline I'll hand in something that works...
    Hmmm...you seem somewhat more J than P to me...I'd be interested to see what other questions people ask you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    I agree with this...though I think Te is more bossy than needy.

    Also Ti is "let me do it in my own time and my own method, and I will deliver perfect results".

    Te is "this needs to be done and look professional by 11am".
    I have got in the habit of "most bang for the buck over perfect" My last 2 jobs...well my only 2 real jobs(everything else was part time while in school) I worked in an extremely fast paced enviornment when asked about time frame they responded "yesterday". I thrive in this environment, my ENTP co-worker though seems to always seem rushed and has problems meeting deadlines, he has more of the perfectionist attitude then I do. I can ask my boss for a day or 2 off when things are crazy and when I say "I will make sure it gets done" he can trust me. Even though I work in a fast paced environment I tend to always be above and beyond expectations. So when they say "I need this yesterday" I can respond with "give me an hour and it will be done" and there response is "wow"...and my co-workers response tends to be "show-off". I get that alot

    I have also finished a 4 hour job in 30 minutes because I learned to how to multi task instead of siting around waiting for each process. Of course I was told not to do that because then they will come to expect that. The kicker is that about a year later my new boss(I was moved to a special projects group) was tasked from my old boss with speeding up the maintenance and my new boss graphed it out(based on times given for each process) and created a "what can be done in parallel" flow which reduced the time from 4 hours to 1 hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Hmmm...you seem somewhat more J than P to me...I'd be interested to see what other questions people ask you.
    Thank you. Me too

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    I have got in the habit of "most bang for the buck over perfect" My last 2 jobs...well my only 2 real jobs(everything else was part time while in school) I worked in an extremely fast paced enviornment when asked about time frame they responded "yesterday". I thrive in this environment, my ENTP co-worker though seems to always seem rushed and has problems meeting deadlines, he has more of the perfectionist attitude then I do. I can ask my boss for a day or 2 off when things are crazy and when I say "I will make sure it gets done" he can trust me. Even though I work in a fast paced environment I tend to always be above and beyond expectations. So when they say "I need this yesterday" I can respond with "give me an hour and it will be done" and there response is "wow"...and my co-workers response tends to be "show-off". I get that alot

    I have also finished a 4 hour job in 30 minutes because I learned to how to multi task instead of siting around waiting for each process. Of course I was told not to do that because then they will come to expect that. The kicker is that about a year later my new boss(I was moved to a special projects group) was tasked from my old boss with speeding up the maintenance and my new boss graphed it out(based on times given for each process) and created a "what can be done in parallel" flow which reduced the time from 4 hours to 1 hour.
    Ah, I can see how I differ in the work environment from you - bare in mind I've only had a few part-time jobs before.

    When I worked in a bakery (which was very fast-paced) I did each task exactly the same, in the same order and at the same pace. I never bothered to think about how to improve it, because I just didn't care about the job enough - however, I still worked a lot more efficiently than my co-workers and only got told off a couple of times for speaking too quietly (I tried a little to speak louder and practised projecting my voice, but it just didn't work, so I explained about having chronic throat infections etc.). Overall, I did just what was expected/needed and no more.
    When I worked in a clothes shop, I tended to work at the pace set (given an hour to tidy the sale rack, did it a little faster, but kept fiddling with it until time was up). I also didn't mind the tasks everyone else said were awful, like cleaning gum out an escalator (mostly because I didn't have to talk to people while I did it).
    In both jobs, I had the habit of trying to figure things out by myself rather than ask - I went and searched for something for a while until my boss came to find me and told me to ask next time, and in the clothes shop I walked very confidently in the wrong direction when asked to get some shoes.

    However, when I did work experience in a library (and was a lot more comfortable) I did every task in a surprisingly fast time and didn't mind asking where things were.

    I can get slightly scattered when stressed, and I tend to get stressed in customer service jobs, so that's one explanation.

    When I work on my own projects, I section off a specific time or target and achieve that - if I feel like doing more, I can, if not I won't, but I absolutely have to reach that target (my usual is an essay completed in under a day or 1,000 words of a story written).

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    Reasons for intj below

    -I'm very driven, almost perfectionistic - if something doesn't live up to my standards, I want to alter it (including myself - for example, if I don't do so well in a test, I'll throw myself into studying for the next one as well as reviewing everything I did wrong).

    I was always like that. I think some intps are perfectionistic too. In general, an intj will be more anal though.

    -I tend to be oblivious to my environment to a large extent - I didn't notice the electricity had cut off in my house until my laptop battery sign popped up saying it was discharging, then I realised I was sat in darkness. I also usually make two or three trips back to my room before I leave, due to either forgetting things or being convinced I've forgotten something. This has been commented on by a lot of people (my mum calls it 'being artistic' and I respond with calling it 'being stupid').

    Inferior extraverted sensing

    -I'm not great with making conversation with people I don't know - I'm not good at small talk, so I tend to not say anything for quite a while

    Typical for N intj to hate small talk. I was the same way when younger


    -I'm slightly neurotic in the way I feel the need to double- or triple-check things - I never trust myself to pack my back properly, so I check it several times before leaving, and I make sure my work's in order (even if that order is in piles of paper on the floor).

    Inferior extraverted sensing

    -I'm usually very much 'to the point' in writing and conversations - I'm an under-writer for essays (well, used to be, as I've almost worked myself out of doing that) and I've been told I'm good at condensing big points into a couple of words.

    Typical intj concise writing. Intps can be really good writers too but generally not as concise as an intj.

    I'm interested in the link between biology and psychology to an almost obsessive level (when I was twelve or so, I used to spend hours researching mental illnesses.

    -I can be very obsessive about things and used to re-read books and/or listen to one song repeatedly (this may be OCD, as it runs in my family).

    Intj focus on one thing in depth. Mindless repetitive behavior characteristic of inferior extraverted sensing


    -I'm quite good at reading people, so if they act up, I can explain to them why they're acting the way they are (I know it's annoying to do so). I also spend time analysing people and how they react to certain things.

    Intjs are good at reading people. Overanalysis is typical. I do that too

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsumatachi_san View Post
    Thank you. Me too


    Ah, I can see how I differ in the work environment from you - bare in mind I've only had a few part-time jobs before.

    When I worked in a bakery (which was very fast-paced) I did each task exactly the same, in the same order and at the same pace. I never bothered to think about how to improve it, because I just didn't care about the job enough - however, I still worked a lot more efficiently than my co-workers and only got told off a couple of times for speaking too quietly (I tried a little to speak louder and practised projecting my voice, but it just didn't work, so I explained about having chronic throat infections etc.). Overall, I did just what was expected/needed and no more.
    When I worked in a clothes shop, I tended to work at the pace set (given an hour to tidy the sale rack, did it a little faster, but kept fiddling with it until time was up). I also didn't mind the tasks everyone else said were awful, like cleaning gum out an escalator (mostly because I didn't have to talk to people while I did it).
    In both jobs, I had the habit of trying to figure things out by myself rather than ask - I went and searched for something for a while until my boss came to find me and told me to ask next time, and in the clothes shop I walked very confidently in the wrong direction when asked to get some shoes.

    However, when I did work experience in a library (and was a lot more comfortable) I did every task in a surprisingly fast time and didn't mind asking where things were.

    I can get slightly scattered when stressed, and I tend to get stressed in customer service jobs, so that's one explanation.

    When I work on my own projects, I section off a specific time or target and achieve that - if I feel like doing more, I can, if not I won't, but I absolutely have to reach that target (my usual is an essay completed in under a day or 1,000 words of a story written).
    You sound like an I for sure, me, my brother, my dad, and most Is I know dont really like to talk to people, only those few people that they have got to know and that is something an I doesnt really go out and do a whole lot. My dad/brother(both IJs) seem to judge people and I just get bored alot of the time talking to most people. I will play it off like I am interested, but I am really not. The people I reach out to are the ones who I tend to be more interested in talking with everyone else is usally out of politeness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    Ti to me in a workplace is.."I am trying to figure this out and continually improve until I reach what works(not sure if "works" is more Se specific, while Ne would need another word) best" while Te in a workplace is "lets talk, discuss, come to an agreement of best practices" Te is about "We" where Ti is about "I", Te can come across as very needy when it comes to this whole "We" thing. Ti will come across as "not a group player" though we are still working for the common cause.
    Interesting, but i dont really agree with the characterization of Te vs Ti. I could care less about best practices. All i care about is what works.

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