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    Okay, so I've been lurking (but not posting) around various typology forums ever since I did an online MBTI test a few years ago and found out that I was apparently INTP.

    However, the reason why I have xNxP now on my profile is because I'm not even sure whether I'm intro/extroverted or thinking/feeling specifically. This is especially because I've been motivated to become more socialized due to this competitive spirit that I have with an ENFJ friend of mine - although I'm not sure if he knows this, and I'm also still not fond of social niceties in and of themselves (I just like to have meaningful conversations and not just "fluff" for the sake of having something to talk about).

    Thus, I've actually become more gregarious and more expressive, but I've noticed in the past that I often:

    1.) become gregarious in which I become relaxed and ultra-fun, but it feels very exaggerated compared to the average extroverted person (or at least, I think so, probably because I'm not that socially confident, although I feel more open to socialization compared to the past, when I was really shy and liked to be in my own world).

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    2.) become more expressive at the wrong times - and then becoming extremely apologetic about them. (I remember in middle school where my English teacher was talking about Alfred Nobel and his Nobel Prize program, and I laughed about the fact that he was worried about dynamite's effects on world peace not because I was trying to be an insensitive jerk but because I thought it was ironic and unexpected. Needless to say, she was not amused, and the fact that she was an STJ type didn't really help. ) However, I've become better at trying to hide these socially-inappropriate feelings using more subtle methods of expression (or just the basic hiding of a smile).

    Also, about the thinking/feeling dichotomy, I've been looking at the specific functions for a while (and the stickies here too), and even though I feel like I act like a feeling type in terms of defending what is right, true, and meaningful (I do have my times of empathy and idealism, you know ), I have a very highly developed sense of thinking as well, and I'm comfortable with my logical side.

    Finally, here's my cognitive functions test results:

    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************* (21.7)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************* (33.9)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ***************************************** (41.8)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) **************************** (28.4)
    average use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ***************************** (29.7)
    average use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************** (29.6)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************* (19.6)
    limited use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ********************************** (34.9)


    As you can see here, my Te and Ti are pretty balanced. (And also, I have been typed as INFP, INTP, INFJ, INTJ, and ENTP. Mostly, I get INTP or INFP, but obviously, that's not been the case.)

    (Also, I'm a female, if that might be a key factor for some of this.)
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    What you look at is Ne and Fi being strongest, and that points squarely to ENFP. The order of the other functions doesn't matter. Type is determined only be the two most "preferred" functions, and here the two strongest unambiguously match a type.
    Ti is the right brain alternative to Fi, so it often will come up stronger for FP's, whose Te will often come up as weak. So them being tied says nothing, but with Fi as strong, and Fe is weak, then that is a clear FP preference being implied.

    It's possible from that to be INFP, because sometimes the aux. can come out stronger (especially since in their case, as for INTP's, it's extraverted and easier to recognize, plus the auxiliary is what we often reach out to others with anyway). But in any case, those results are showing a clear NFP. If you don't feel completely "extroverted", ENP's often are said not to appear that way all the time.
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    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    What you look at is Ne and Fi being strongest, and that points squarely to ENFP. The order of the other functions doesn't matter. Type is determined only be the two most "preferred" functions, and here the two strongest unambiguously match a type.
    Ti is the right brain alternative to Fi, so it often will come up stronger for FP's, whose Te will often come up as weak. So them being tied says nothing, but with Fi as strong, and Fe is weak, then that is a clear FP preference being implied.

    It's possible from that to be INFP, because sometimes the aux. can come out stronger (especially since in their case, as for INTP's, it's extraverted and easier to recognize, plus the auxiliary is what we often reach out to others with anyway). But in any case, those results are showing a clear NFP. If you don't feel completely "extroverted", ENP's often are said not to appear that way all the time.
    I have two questions though:

    1.) I'm still not sure whether I'm really an E though since:
    a.) I don't really need people that much - I don't mind sitting in front of a computer reading theoretical articles on Wikipedia all day while listening to music on YouTube.

    b.) I just act like an E for utility's sake most of the time (or because I'm comfortable with the person/people involved, but that would have to involve some sort of synergy here - one example is an INTP colleague of mine who I somehow related to instantly personality-wise despite our different emphases - which is usually not the case).

    2.) Can both of these types have a very strong rational side though? I've always been into critically analyzing philosophy and theology as such [albeit for the purposes of: 1.) trying to get the truth out of something and 2.) using it to learn more about my values and justify/spread those values to others]. (Implied by this is that I'm not necessarily afraid of cold, hard facts or logic - although I admit that when I am criticized, I feel really hurt, but I don't really show my emotions there.) Also, I'm pretty good at math (went through BC Calculus in high school), and often times, I find myself laughing at NT things because I find them clever or because I find those actions as something that I would be doing.

    For example, when I went to this same INTP colleague of mine (who was a literature/theology teacher and a graduate student in philosophy) to help me critique this one guy's paper, I completely understood the concepts that even one of my NF friends says would go over her head straight away. Plus, when he said in an email that "I was going to type up a full assessment of this, but it got completely got out of hand", I laughed because I could imagine doing something like that, especially in my younger days - not to mention the fact that it's sooo like him, using his Ti to get into technical reviews! )

    Finally, on tests, I have flip-flopped back and forth between being a T and an F (although both would end up being weak preferences for me, since I can use both very well). I know cognitive functions are important, but I think actual behavior is key as well, no?
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    Well, looking at those cognitive function test results I'd question the validity of the test. If I was only looking at that you'd look like an ENFP. INTP is pretty far from ENFP. Online test are pretty bad - as the rule and not the exception. Do you happen to have any videos you could show us? If I can hear your voice I can tell E vs I pretty accurately. E vs. I energy dynamic shows up in the voice.

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    1) E is not about "needing" people. It might shape how much you tend to approach them for interaction, (including those you feel "synergy" with)

    2) Both T and F are "rational", (in the original Jungian use, it just indicated a judgment function) so what you describe sounds like it could still be NFP. Especially when you say "using it to learn more about my values and justify/spread those values to others". You don't necessarily have to be afraid of cold facts and logic. The ENFP, particularly, has tertiary Te, so stuff like math might even be a source of "relief" to them. (The tertiary tends to be associated with relief). ENFP's here have said they like math a lot. And Ti, again, is the right brain alternative, and might even come up at times. If it's something you laugh about, then Beebe said the positive side of Trickster Ti is the ability to find humor in the things of Ti and the people who prefer it.

    If you're dom. Ne, then that's the ego's main world-view, so even the T or F will be of lesser importance, and you might appear to flip-flop. But the evidence I'm seeing here gives the edge to F. Behavior is an evidence, and that seems to point to F as well.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottJames View Post
    Well, looking at those cognitive function test results I'd question the validity of the test. If I was only looking at that you'd look like an ENFP. INTP is pretty far from ENFP. Online test are pretty bad - as the rule and not the exception. Do you happen to have any videos you could show us? If I can hear your voice I can tell E vs I pretty accurately. E vs. I energy dynamic shows up in the voice.
    First, regarding videos, I regret that's not the case: I accidentally disabled my sound recording card on my computer (because I like to toy around with things), and now I can't even record my voice, even though my webcam is perfectly fine. (Indeed, it would be kind of weird seeing just body motions without accompanying sound - and I'm not fluent in sign language, so that's not an option! )

    Secondly, I know that the reliability of these online tests aren't necessarily the best, but I'm a bit of a cheapskate, to say the least. Anyway, I just find it weird because I have actually taken this cognitive function test before (it's the Keys2Cognition version), and while I got a guess of "INFP" this time around, I have gotten "INTP" in the past (probably because both my Fi and my Ti were pretty high that particular time when I took it). And I've taken plenty of other "regular" online MBTI tests, and they tend to portray me as a borderline INxP (which I think makes more sense than being an ENFP because while I want to change the real world, I find it easier to direct my energy inward towards thoughts and ideas rather than towards external things).
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    Actually, regarding the sound card, I've fixed it (didn't even know it was hidden in the background files)! But I would still have to get a video up though: what would you like to know specifically so both of you can get a better analysis of what my MBTI type actually is?
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    I'm a noob here, so I'm not sure how to send you a message, but send me one if you want to run through a quick profiling session via IM. That would probably be a whole lot quicker. I'm pretty confident I can help you come to a definitive conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    1) E is not about "needing" people. It might shape how much you tend to approach them for interaction, (including those you feel "synergy" with)

    2) Both T and F are "rational", (in the original Jungian use, it just indicated a judgment function) so what you describe sounds like it could still be NFP. Especially when you say "using it to learn more about my values and justify/spread those values to others". You don't necessarily have to be afraid of cold facts and logic. The ENFP, particularly, has tertiary Te, so stuff like math might even be a source of "relief" to them. (The tertiary tends to be associated with relief). ENFP's here have said they like math a lot. And Ti, again, is the right brain alternative, and might even come up at times. If it's something you laugh about, then Beebe said the positive side of Trickster Ti is the ability to find humor in the things of Ti and the people who prefer it.

    If you're dom. Ne, then that's the ego's main world-view, so even the T or F will be of lesser importance, and you might appear to flip-flop. But the evidence I'm seeing here gives the edge to F. Behavior is an evidence, and that seems to point to F as well.
    I see that. But considering that most of the time I tend to register INxP of some sort (even on the online tests and this same cognitive functions test here), this is a bit odd.

    Also, looking around at your page, I remember taking a temperament test before (from a psychology grad student), and I got "Melancholy/Choleric", which you approximated as INTJ. (Which still makes no sense, unless I've been suppressing functions, which has happened to me in the past. . . .)

    Anyway, I'll try to post the video up as soon as I can so both of you can get a better evaluation.
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    Try these, then (one of each; start with the five singular temperaments before worrying about the 12 compounds):
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...-Inclusion.htm
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...Of-Control.htm

    This is what I use now for temperament. I find it more accurate than the more traditional temperament quizzes, and also seems to work well in corresponding to type. It divides or sorts the temperaments according to specific "areas" of interaction, corresponding to Keirsey's groups and the Interaction Styles.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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