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    Default Am I an INFP or am I just a suppressed version of another type?

    I've been considering the functions of INFP, ENFP and ISFP, and even ISTJ to be somewhat like me at times. A majority of school life I was all tensed up and was generally the type to get asked whether I was "high?" but also get asked "why" I "was acting so depressed" or to "lighten up". I feel like at times I lose sight of the big picture, and most of all school I'm depressed due to me feeling as though I have "given in" to being a quiet person, a lifeless individual, that people could live without. I also had the urge to kill myself a couple of times because I was so depressed but that would only mean the loss of a son to my mother or my father who I know love me.

    I've also noticed the archetype for an INFP being a person who heals instead of champions over. I've had fallouts with other types, and spilled profanity when I've gotten angry to the point of some physical violence (mostly with my family who were the ones made way for that sort of environment). Like I remember hitting someone after calling him a vulgar c-word or f-word and threatening to kick his a-word, when he started talking about 'doing it' with my sister to get on my nerves.

    I've also had an encounter with some random hill billy like kids who were shouting at random strangers with profanity, so I shouted at them with profanity so they'd stop. They tried to get me to fight them but I didn't but I would have I guess, since it matched who I was 'being' at that moment. What I mean by all this is, I've had the urge to disregard feeling and champion over people for the situation's sake and values' sake I guess.

    At times people can really get me angry, especially people who like to be cold and hard and logical straight in my face whenever I make a mistake, and I'm not afraid of yelling out at them or being "mean" which is something I've been accused of. This makes me wonder whether I'm INFP, because I've hurt people very deeply when it comes to emotions, but I feel that shame of doing it. And I feel as though I'm just narcissistic for being like that. That's not very INFP to cause conflict as response to the immense pain I feel, for random things that I wish I couldn't.

    This also reflects off as a stark pessimism for humanity and neuroticism, where I get monotone-version over everything and reflect nothing but concentrated negativity. I would also allow myself to 'hate' on things that shouldn't be hated merely for the sake of it, in a social situation. Like I would be all scornful of some kids talking a bit loudly on the bus.

    Practically the most annoying thing would be how instead of being an INFP and caving into myself, I get on the offense in all the wrong ways, and show scorn or bitterness and talk profanity or cold words that people notice out to be waayy to harsh as well.... if you get what i mean. (a good example was where I said "hilly billy kids" almost out of habit or something, instead of just calling them randoms or whatever... and an example of me doing unINFP things out of habit, is like when I use directing communication whenever something small comes up, like a guy starts tapping on my chair, who's sitting behind me, I'd turn around, tense up and go "Could you stop that... please" coldly... )

    Am I a healthy MBTI type or am I alone on this one?
    I'm a INFP - The sociopath

    I think I'm either a 4w5, 4w3, 6w5 or 9w1. Most possibly 4w5.

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    It looks like your argument is "I is an <insert trait that goes against your views of the type>, therefore I not <insert type>. Well, my good man, here are two notable INFPs. They are both notorious assholes:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennon
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain

    No comment on your actual type though. I am afraid to ask you how you determined your type...for fear of facepalm. Enneagram wise you're probably e4 or e6.

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    Did an online test a couple of hundreds of times. Then I read up on the all the functions, and various people's interpretations of those functions and adjusted to the order I thought was right, by doing deductive thinking on my own thinking itself, which I thought was a tiring process.

    After that I got other people to validate little quirks I have (like taking ages to talk - apparently it seems as though I'm always thinking of something to say), to see whether or not I had determined my type or not, to the type that I did. My visual learning style is definite visual, but I'm always doubting it. I feel as though sometimes I'm as blunt as a sensor when it comes to the big picture, so I'm considering I could be an S type. Considering ISFP has the functions Fi, Se, etc. And that really hurt, in this sharp instigating way, when you judged me to have not determined my type properly. :'( no joke.
    I'm a INFP - The sociopath

    I think I'm either a 4w5, 4w3, 6w5 or 9w1. Most possibly 4w5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flameskull95 View Post
    I've been considering the functions of INFP, ENFP and ISFP, and even ISTJ to be somewhat like me at times. A majority of school life I was all tensed up and was generally the type to get asked whether I was "high?" but also get asked "why" I "was acting so depressed" or to "lighten up". I feel like at times I lose sight of the big picture, and most of all school I'm depressed due to me feeling as though I have "given in" to being a quiet person, a lifeless individual, that people could live without. I also had the urge to kill myself a couple of times because I was so depressed but that would only mean the loss of a son to my mother or my father who I know love me.
    This is either an introverted thing or an introverted thing combined with intuition (INXX). The INXX types tend to be in their heads a lot, thus not very aware of how they're being perceived by everyone else. You're definitely not an Fe type though, that much is obvious. Fi types are much more self-absorbed with their emotional states in comparison with Fe types who value the emotional temperature of the "group" or "other." In other words Fe types are better at feigning "everything is alright" for the sake of social harmony.

    Quote Originally Posted by flameskull95 View Post
    At times people can really get me angry, especially people who like to be cold and hard and logical straight in my face whenever I make a mistake, and I'm not afraid of yelling out at them or being "mean" which is something I've been accused of. This makes me wonder whether I'm INFP, because I've hurt people very deeply when it comes to emotions, but I feel that shame of doing it. And I feel as though I'm just narcissistic for being like that. That's not very INFP to cause conflict as response to the immense pain I feel, for random things that I wish I couldn't.
    I don't know why you think this is "not very INFP." Maybe not the ideal for an INFP, but I've seen INFPs flip their shit on several occasions. They're typically easy-going, but once something is crossed, a value, usually ones they are unaware of, they will get aggressive. This is all textbook Fi lashing out. Enneagram plays an important role as well. The typically moody INFP tend to be among the reactive types (e4 or e6). Although reactive in the context of the enneagram refers to a sort of mirroring from the other, not just emotional volatility. They seek a reaction from others.

    Quote Originally Posted by flameskull95 View Post
    After that I got other people to validate little quirks I have (like taking ages to talk - apparently it seems as though I'm always thinking of something to say), to see whether or not I had determined my type or not, to the type that I did. My visual learning style is definite visual, but I'm always doubting it. I feel as though sometimes I'm as blunt as a sensor when it comes to the big picture, so I'm considering I could be an S type. Considering ISFP has the functions Fi, Se, etc. And that really hurt, in this sharp instigating way, when you judged me to have not determined my type properly. :'( no joke.
    Can you talk more about the bolded? Maybe give an example of how you are "blunt as a sensor."

    Anyways, when unhealthy, people typically go into function loops. For an INFP it's Fi-Si and for an ISFP it's Fi-Ni. I suggest reading up on those, seeing as it seems you've been down the unhealthy phase quite a bit. I'm not sure if you've seen these yet, but this site has some helpful info:

    INFP: http://www.personalitynation.com/inf...-analysis.html
    ISFP: http://www.personalitynation.com/isf...-analysis.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    This is either an introverted thing or an introverted thing combined with intuition (INXX). The INXX types tend to be in their heads a lot, thus not very aware of how they're being perceived by everyone else. You're definitely not an Fe type though, that much is obvious. Fi types are much more self-absorbed with their emotional states in comparison with Fe types who value the emotional temperature of the "group" or "other." In other words Fe types are better at feigning "everything is alright" for the sake of social harmony.


    I don't know why you think this is "not very INFP." Maybe not the ideal for an INFP, but I've seen INFPs flip their shit on several occasions. They're typically easy-going, but once something is crossed, a value, usually ones they are unaware of, they will get aggressive. This is all textbook Fi lashing out. Enneagram plays an important role as well. The typically moody INFP tend to be among the reactive types (e4 or e6). Although reactive in the context of the enneagram refers to a sort of mirroring from the other, not just emotional volatility. They seek a reaction from others.



    Can you talk more about the bolded? Maybe give an example of how you are "blunt as a sensor."

    Anyways, when unhealthy, people typically go into function loops. For an INFP it's Fi-Si and for an ISFP it's Fi-Ni. I suggest reading up on those, seeing as it seems you've been down the unhealthy phase quite a bit. I'm not sure if you've seen these yet, but this site has some helpful info:

    INFP: http://www.personalitynation.com/inf...-analysis.html
    ISFP: http://www.personalitynation.com/isf...-analysis.html
    Yeah, I guess I'm pretty INFP from what you said. And also from the cognitive functions, I can't relate to not being able to assign feeling to theoretical situations, which are some of the situations that can give me the most 'feeling' if anything. I sometimes 'go with the flow' and disregard the future, in social situations with family and friends, like for the 'could be's' of the moment. I guess I thought this was me being ISFP, but me being ignorant and disregarding the moment could just be my ESTJ stress mode.

    Maybe when I let stess get to me to a point, where I totally disregard who I am just so I 'could be', 'should be' and 'should do', while not really being myself, is where I go wrong. I thought that line in the personalitynation link really helped, that said "even if that goes against the commonly accepted morality of all of your close family and friends and anyone you respect. I don't want to know what you should feel--I want to know what you do feel.", which can clear things up for where I 'go wrong'.

    I guess I think I go wrong in many situations, but I'm also not totally blind to when situations go in a way that point to me being 'not who I am' or 'unhealthy' in one way or the other, even if that means judging that situation by its result. So I do still think even with being detrimental to my own actions, that I've been caught in some sort of unhealthy habits of thinking that's affecting me really . :/

    (Oh and blunt as a sensor being, I'm not trying to say sensors are blunt, I mean that like I personally feel like I can't have this good insight to the future like an INFP would have, considering the above, where I totally disregard it when some pressure comes in, and changes the person I exhibit to the world)
    I'm a INFP - The sociopath

    I think I'm either a 4w5, 4w3, 6w5 or 9w1. Most possibly 4w5.

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    I do believe you are an INFP as the tests mentioned. I myself am an INFP and you sound a lot like me. INFPs are not fluffy bunnies or happy fairies. They have a warrior's heart, it's just usually encased in passiveness and sensitivity. INFPs are perfectly capable of being cruel especially if they find themselves valuing the prospect of being a complete asshole at a certain point in time.

    Also the notion of the INFP as the "healer" can raise a few eyebrows. It's not casting magic spells or anything. I think it's nothing more than the art of considering the possibilities and reflecting on the human condition (side effect of Fi use.) By expressing our past dilemmas (the situations and solutions that were involved) by suggesting possibilities of what could be wrong (taking variables which are different between the two situations) and listening intently we can guide a troubled person to look within themselves and suggest ideas they have not thought of. Whether the person can be "healed" of whatever inner conflict or emotional trauma that troubles them depends on their willingness to reflect and acknowledge any insights the INFP may have made which they were not aware of. Of course this sometimes requires a firm criticism of telling them what they don't want to hear and sometimes outright callousness to shock them out of their problem. Whilst immediately detrimental in the short term it can bring long term benefits and changes.

    Of course there is the whole INFP - Ethical Sociopath shabang. If you're taking out targets and you're kicking ass and taking names for no reason other than what is justifiable in your own value system then you're probably IFP anyway.

    Take what I written as you see fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    I do believe you are an INFP as the tests mentioned. I myself am an INFP and you sound a lot like me. INFPs are not fluffy bunnies or happy fairies. They have a warrior's heart, it's just usually encased in passiveness and sensitivity. INFPs are perfectly capable of being cruel especially if they find themselves valuing the prospect of being a complete asshole at a certain point in time.

    Also the notion of the INFP as the "healer" can raise a few eyebrows. It's not casting magic spells or anything. I think it's nothing more than the art of considering the possibilities and reflecting on the human condition (side effect of Fi use.) By expressing our past dilemmas (the situations and solutions that were involved) by suggesting possibilities of what could be wrong (taking variables which are different between the two situations) and listening intently we can guide a troubled person to look within themselves and suggest ideas they have not thought of. Whether the person can be "healed" of whatever inner conflict or emotional trauma that troubles them depends on their willingness to reflect and acknowledge any insights the INFP may have made which they were not aware of. Of course this sometimes requires a firm criticism of telling them what they don't want to hear and sometimes outright callousness to shock them out of their problem. Whilst immediately detrimental in the short term it can bring long term benefits and changes.

    Of course there is the whole INFP - Ethical Sociopath shabang. If you're taking out targets and you're kicking ass and taking names for no reason other than what is justifiable in your own value system then you're probably IFP anyway.

    Take what I written as you see fit.
    now that was really reassuring. Thanks, it all fits, I'm INFP... and I guess I remember doing that thing about giving yourself Si-based constructive criticism, a year or two back but I think I've furthered from a healthy mentality ever since then. It's gotten harder ever since to get back to it, which I think is mainly due to me realizing "where my life's going" at this point negatively, and also not having any time set aside for just relaxing or not having a clouded mind in general.
    I'm a INFP - The sociopath

    I think I'm either a 4w5, 4w3, 6w5 or 9w1. Most possibly 4w5.

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    I agree IxFP for sure.. but I am not seeing an indication of secondary Ne. Where is the abstraction? Where is the hyperbole?

    You told those stories essentially how they happened, with details and a hint of cynicism. You seem to strive for experiences and audacity. You seem angstful, but that isn't necessarily Ne.

    Your recollection of events is classic "and then this is what happened and this is how I felt about it and then here is what I did.." loop. INFP doesn't tend to talk like this. They will tend to give as little physical detail as is needed to get to what is really on their mind: the concepts / connections / ideals floating around in their brain. Thus they will speak in generalities, abstracts, and hyperboles. Kurt and John were assholes to be sure.. but they were pretentiously high-minded and hyperbolic assholes. You don't strike me as that. You strike me as much more connected with people and events in a real way, less high-minded, way. You seem much more like the other 90% of musicians and artistic deconstructive (cynical) re-interpreting folk: ISFP.

    Your dissociation with society, angst, rebellion are more ISFP traits than INFP (though both can manifest this way). Creativity and emotionally anti-social behavior is also usually a better indicator of ISFP than INFP (though, again, it could be either or neither). Further, I am always seeing very intelligent ISFPs being mistyped INFP. You sound much more like an intelligent ISFP in a bad psychological state than an INFP.

    Tell me... would you call yourself an idealist (one who gets lost imagining a fairy-tale ideal) or are you a cynic (deconstructing perceptions and reinterpreting them based on their real value)? A good way to judge this is looking at the past. An INFP will see the past mystically (it was all meant to be! it was horrible but now I see where it guided me) where an ISFP might see it cynically (ah, whatever.. it happened. Shit happens.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkigos View Post
    I agree IxFP for sure.. but I am not seeing an indication of secondary Ne. Where is the abstraction? Where is the hyperbole? You told those stories essentially how they happened, with details and a hint of cynicism. You seem to strive for experiences and audacity. You seem angstful, but that isn't necessarily Ne. Your recollection of events is classic "and then this is what happened and this is how I felt about it and then here is what I did.." loop. INFP doesn't tend to talk like this. They will tend to give as little physical detail as is needed to get to what is really on their mind: the concepts / connections / ideals floating around in their brain. Thus they will speak in generalities, abstracts, and hyperboles. Kurt and John were assholes to be sure.. but they were pretentiously high-minded and hyperbolic assholes. You don't strike me as that. You strike me as much more connected with people and events in a real way, less high-minded, way. You seem much more like the other 90% of musicians and artistic deconstructive (cynical) re-interpreting folk: ISFP. Your dissociation with society, angst, rebellion are more ISFP traits than INFP (though both can manifest this way). Creativity and emotionally anti-social behavior is also usually a better indicator of ISFP than INFP (though, again, it could be either or neither). Further, I am always seeing very intelligent ISFPs being mistyped INFP. You sound much more like an intelligent ISFP in a bad psychological state than an INFP. Tell me... would you call yourself an idealist (one who gets lost imagining a fairy-tale ideal) or are you a cynic (deconstructing perceptions and reinterpreting them based on their real value)? A good way to judge this is looking at the past. An INFP will see the past mystically (it was all meant to be! it was horrible but now I see where it guided me) where an ISFP might see it cynically (ah, whatever.. it happened. Shit happens.)

    Sorry if this is really late. But I really appreciate how you've actually understood my situation. I'm getting better than I was before, and realizing things for what they are, the positive possibilities, rather than what I've made them, - the 'negative reality of things'. And you've pinpointed exactly what I was talking about, because I don't honestly have a clue what my secondary function is. I start to think about my own thinking, and then this points to me generating possibilities at times, having a love for creating things (like ever since I was small I would love to create something, whether it was a circuit, or whether my teddy bear could talk to me.). I've noticed I've been doing this thing or having this urge/instigation patting on the back of my mind, that always goes "this will set this scene" or "If I do this, this is what is created". I'd be so in denial that my mind says that, that I would push that hand away, by telling myself that I'm talking to the teddy bear, because it has emotions of its own, it may come to life, etc. rather than the "patting" that suggests that talking to the teddy bear would make me a better person, or a more "cute kid" who talks to teddy bears. The angsty thing could just be because I'm 17 maybe?

    Ah crap I wrote a lot but my internet connection screwed up, this happens all the time.


    I'll outline some things I think make me INFP and ISFP, so you can decide for me maybe? (I really appreciate it)


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    - recalling experiences that are dark, and contrasting them against the present.

    - having this sort of 'let's set the scene' attitude sometimes; like I would follow through with an idea or concept someone thought up.

    - as of recent, constantly playing songs that describe how i feel in my head, (usually ones i've heard recently) to alleviate stress.

    - Ni symbols to communicate messages. "Hide ourselves" stuff like that. etc

    - saying things to get a reaction ( i hear this is an Ni thing ). Like even when i know someone understands better, i would say something to just wip them off. This is mostly when I'm under a lot of, i mean a ton of stress. Me writing "hillbilly kid" as a firm stance on my freedom of expression or feeling of not fully communicating how they acted.

    - sacrifice harmony, if i think something or someone is disturbing it. I would go out of my way to make it right... but I have a strong urge and fear to not do this. And it's more natural for me to contemplate how badly i've been screwed. The weird thing is, I do this in fear of the possibilities of how badly I would have felt by 'not acting'.

    - I can relate to eminem aha? . sometimes i would narrowmindedly close off other people's respect as i do things for the scene or moment, look back at how much I screwed up and then regret how much i did that, and regret being who i am.

    - having this fear that i'm as 'blunt as a sensor', and not being able to see the big picture, which i've always thought out to be my better point. That i could bring people to the bigger picture when needed. Like sometimes i would get uber-depressed, when I would have to be reminded of the bigger picture, whenever someone would go 'okay you're overcomplicating things, this is like this and this is like this.." and it solves everything.

    - looking around a room taking everything in, intuitively knowing how people feel just by the way they word their words, and move their faces.

    - sometimes in hurtful situations, taking the experiences of how my abusers have abused me and turning it back on people. But i've heavily regretted this moments, and it's only in extreme cases of stress and overthinking.

    - sometimes having unwanted racist or stereotypical thoughts. Like that are very S-based. but i'm sure there's a psychological condition attached to my OCD that's attached to that.

    INFP

    - looking through my wardrobe to see if I can get 'good clothes to wear' but always self-deprecating for the sake of being humble. And saying 'who cares what you wear'.
    - when i said i followed through with a concept someone thought up... that someone would mostly be me.

    - stopping fights, hating them... being the mediator, and being a martyr. Like I would get beat up as long as a conflict stops. I go into to talk back to those "hillbilly kids", as a martyr.

    - constant ideas of whenever people talk or whenever i talk that there is a certain medium that is never being reached that should be reached. an ideal. Mostly concerning what they say, life sometimes feels and looks very stupid to me. (I usually never express this stuff though, I'm always very shy and positive on the inside; emotionless on the outside - and people have always reminded me that i'm like this)

    - understanding/feeling disgust in the face of ESFPs, and ISFPs people who don't appreciate ideas (not all isfps, etc.), and just 'go on' with their lives with no chance of change. they also happen to bully people for who they are because they fail to understand them, fail to understand 'why'.

    - randomly leaving a table, and leaving everyone confused at the table the other day, because the guy next to me wasn't treating me 'right'.

    - loving poetry and philosophy. expanding thinking itself. dwelling into the deeper repititions of humanity, seeing the beauty in the unnoticed and the unknown. Knowing the fact that words can't really describe those things as well as they could.

    - writing this stuff all over again, multiple times... cause it didn't feel right or what i was saying wasn't what i needed to say or 'wasn't right'. etc.

    - having a fear of heights at tall open spaces because i just know all the ways i could fall, trip, etc. All the imaginative fears of staying in the dark, or whenever i have a shower i imagine sharks swimming around me and i freak out. I have these other irrational OCD fears like leaving the microwave at an even number or locking the doors or constantly checking them (in fear of some murderer entering my house).

    - I can relate to extreme deep levels of depression, the destruction of self-worth, and generally scavenging on the essence of nothing having worth in general or at least me of all things having no worth in general.

    - i look up to people like louis ck and bill hicks because they can communicate what i think on such a deep level but out loud and with rationality and enough pride to make people understand their viewpoint.

    - i always try to look at other people's viewpoints and at least realize when i'm not considering their viewpoints eventually. I put myself in other people's shoes.

    - I'm extremely awkward with emotions and clamp up near good looking girls.

    - I remember as a kid, and this gets to me sometimes now as well.. i would run out of a room whenever i was alone or isolated because i could imagine all the ways i could be attacked or traumatized etc by spirits, or 'other things i dare not name' :P

    - i love harmony and that's what i work toward, and peace and inspiration above all. It's just when reality hits I feel like rebelling, but also not for the sake of it, but with the feeling of inspiration and dreams that other people would have unnoticed, in mind.

    - actually being an ISFP, i mean the idea by itself, excites me.

    - sometimes not even remembering things for what they are, but filling in the holes of memory with 'what would connect' or seem to work. Or is this an Ni thing, as I can kinda guess how you would react to the things that i write. :S

    - having a monotonous voice and faceless face, as i don't want to be hurt no more. :/

    - having a love for people like ENFJS, INTPs and INFJs who step back to understand my pov. ESFPs i feel like they can relate, some of the better ones, but that's probs only cause they watched star wars and got off the fact that luke skywalker's a shy INFP, aha or something like that. Yeah I have really pessimistic thoughts, but they can be true sometimes. I hate them overall. I hate myself a lot.

    - Generating new possibilities or new ways of looking at things. This is something people can even 'know me for'. the idea of creating itself thrills me.

    I'm a very screwed individual indeed. I have this sort of Se-Ne retardation that I can't get out of my head. Please help me. please.
    I'm a INFP - The sociopath

    I think I'm either a 4w5, 4w3, 6w5 or 9w1. Most possibly 4w5.

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    Sorry that's me rambling. And going on a random bus ride, following the 'signs' and loving where life will guide me to.

    deconstructing perceptions and reinterpreting them based on their real value is something I do when I'm stressed out. I'm a dreamer, I always get lost and I wake up to someone yelling in my face for not paying attention to reality. I'm really shy at times, and so self conscious but sometimes some people make me realize something and it turns out I wasn't being as self-conscious as I should have been (this can happen when I chase the moment). I dunno man it's like I'm drifting between two separate worlds constantly. Neither of which is letting me in. I have dreams of all sorts of things. One peculiar thing I dream about when listening to music is that I'm onstage singing, and expressing myself. Is that ISFP or what? ... i dunno.
    I'm a INFP - The sociopath

    I think I'm either a 4w5, 4w3, 6w5 or 9w1. Most possibly 4w5.

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