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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    No. They're great at absorbing here and now and reacting quickly.
    You're denying a valid ESTP trait. Of course they're great at absorbing, AND they are great at anticipating your responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    You're denying a valid ESTP trait. Of course they're great at absorbing, AND they are great at anticipating your responses.
    Let's drill down into function theory. What functions do ESTPs have that would allow them to anticipate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Let's drill down into function theory. What functions do ESTPs have that would allow them to anticipate?
    Se observation and Ti smarts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Se observation and Ti smarts.
    Neither is a predictive or forecasting function. Keep going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Neither is a predictive or forecasting function. Keep going.
    I know what you're going to say next by observing things like facial expressions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I know what you're going to say next by observing things like facial expressions.
    Se sees (ha ha) the here and now and feeds it to Ti. Ti makes logical sense of what Se has fed it. Neither predicts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Se sees (ha ha) the here and now and feeds it to Ti. Ti makes logical sense of what Se has fed it. Neither predicts.
    I see the here and now and feed it to Ti, that doesn't make me an ESTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Se sees (ha ha) the here and now and feeds it to Ti. Ti makes logical sense of what Se has fed it. Neither predicts.
    I've pondered that for a bit, and it sounds more like an ISTP process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I see the here and now and feed it to Ti, that doesn't make me an ESTP.
    Wut? As an INTP, you have Ne as your aux function. Ne and Ti combined can be somewhat predictive with multiple pathways, after they understand the here and now.

    ESTPs are reactionary based on concrete environment feed first and then, subjectively logical thinkers. You're a subjectively logical thinker being fed by an intuitive (synthesizing) function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Wut? As an INTP, you have Ne as your aux function. Ne and Ti combined can be somewhat predictive with multiple pathways, after they understand the here and now.

    ESTPs are reactionary based on concrete environment feed first and then, subjectively logical thinkers. You're a subjectively logical thinker being fed by an intuitive (synthesizing) function.
    First of all, you got the ESTP process incorrect before. If Se feeds Ti, then that puts Ti first, in that Se serves Ti evidence for a theory or hypothesis, let's say, why the car is putting out so much smoke.

    Secondly, this analysis isn't capturing the essence of any personality under question here. Pod'Lair got it right by stating that their version of Se-dom focuses on the enjoyment of the senses, it is not merely engaged in the gathering of information like a computer.
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