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    Your initial post - the bullet list. Was point for point, essentially without exception, exactly like my wife. Ha! She is quite determinately an ENFP.

    I've noticed you talk of extroversion and introversion in absolute terms. The fact is that we are all introverts and all extroverts. Take me for example... many people see me as an extrovert and some people have even laughed when I have claimed to be an INTP. That is because there is no 'introvert' or 'extrovert', there are just functions. My first two are Ti Ne - I spend most of my time thinking to myself, analyzing and considering... however, when I am in a group of Ne people, I won't shut up. People who aren't Ne eventually leave the room or fall asleep and we keep right on jabbering. I am completely energized by it. Does that make me an Extrovert? Nay! If you asked me if I'd rather be in that room Ne jabbering til 4 am or be at home programming some system? No question I'd say the latter. I also invariably spend much more time doing the latter. I am not an I or an E .. rather, I am a Ti Ne Si Fe - put me in an Se party and watch the clam shut!

    My recommendation is to cut out the crap and determine your functions. Are you Ne or Ni, Fe or Fi... etc. It seems pretty clear to me you are Ne - I suspect that if you were in the room with us you'd be buying and selling ideas just like the rest of us and wouldn't want to go home. I'd guess Fi as well, but that's another story (so, INFP or ENFP in my tentative estimation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkigos View Post
    Your initial post - the bullet list. Was point for point, essentially without exception, exactly like my wife. Ha! She is quite determinately an ENFP.

    I've noticed you talk of extroversion and introversion in absolute terms. The fact is that we are all introverts and all extroverts. Take me for example... many people see me as an extrovert and some people have even laughed when I have claimed to be an INTP. That is because there is no 'introvert' or 'extrovert', there are just functions. My first two are Ti Ne - I spend most of my time thinking to myself, analyzing and considering... however, when I am in a group of Ne people, I won't shut up. People who aren't Ne eventually leave the room or fall asleep and we keep right on jabbering. I am completely energized by it. Does that make me an Extrovert? Nay! If you asked me if I'd rather be in that room Ne jabbering til 4 am or be at home programming some system? No question I'd say the latter. I also invariably spend much more time doing the latter. I am not an I or an E .. rather, I am a Ti Ne Si Fe - put me in an Se party and watch the clam shut!

    My recommendation is to cut out the crap and determine your functions. Are you Ne or Ni, Fe or Fi... etc. It seems pretty clear to me you are Ne - I suspect that if you were in the room with us you'd be buying and selling ideas just like the rest of us and wouldn't want to go home. I'd guess Fi as well, but that's another story (so, INFP or ENFP in my tentative estimation).
    Thanks for the input. If im honest it is through functional understanding that I tried to grasp my type. But unfortunately my uncertainty meant I was never sure if what I knew was accurate, then I realised that it is hard to say what is truely accurate in a theory where the only objective standard is that of group agreement.

    Makes it a tad hard at times, although it could just be im over complicating the entire system. Interesting that you spotted Fi though, so many seem convinced of Fe for me.

    I dont really want to bother you with this...but would you mind elabourating on the Fi side of things and what jumped out at you?
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    I can't believe that this thread has over 400 views yet only 3 people voted. This is madness!
    That's because I didn't understand the question!



    Oh Snap!

    @AffirmitiveAnxiety's type...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Thanks for the input. If im honest it is through functional understanding that I tried to grasp my type. But unfortunately my uncertainty meant I was never sure if what I knew was accurate, then I realised that it is hard to say what is truely accurate in a theory where the only objective standard is that of group agreement.

    Makes it a tad hard at times, although it could just be im over complicating the entire system. Interesting that you spotted Fi though, so many seem convinced of Fe for me.

    I dont really want to bother you with this...but would you mind elabourating on the Fi side of things and what jumped out at you?
    I read it all again, read many of your replies, watched the videos, etc... and I am taking a huge step back from the ENFP suggestion.

    If were to toss something out now it would be ISFP. I am still of the same opinion on Fi. The two hardest to type people I have ever known.. and both for the same reason as you are hard to type... were ESFP and ISFP 20-somethings - you being quite similar to the latter. It was essentially impossible to nail them down because they were all over the place.

    The question to me is what do you ruminate over and what do you like the share?

    If an ISFP, then you'd share your deconstructionist observations of the world (Se) and your observed analysis of how things fit (Te). Having T as in inferior function and having it be 'e' does not make for absolutism in facts and making hard decisions about reality is not going to be your strong point.

    What you will make hard, well-considered decisions about is what you are feeling and also your inspired interpretation of things. This further illustrates an a very interpretive mind. Basing your core on feeling and intuition.

    When I saw your videos the first thing I thought of what Paul McCartney. He is my ISFP rule of thumb. So, I watched your videos and old videos of him in the 60's and it seemed to match really well. He was an observant deconstructionist with heart.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtnXnWpC9GE

    Listen to the guy.. he is all over the place. Imagine trying to type him! He'd take you on a wild goose chase you'd never come back from. "Okay Paul, that's great... okay, where were we?" I got a very similar feeling from your videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkigos View Post
    I read it all again, read many of your replies, watched the videos, etc... and I am taking a huge step back from the ENFP suggestion.

    If were to toss something out now it would be ISFP. I am still of the same opinion on Fi. The two hardest to type people I have ever known.. and both for the same reason as you are hard to type... were ESFP and ISFP 20-somethings - you being quite similar to the latter. It was essentially impossible to nail them down because they were all over the place.

    The question to me is what do you ruminate over and what do you like the share?

    If an ISFP, then you'd share your deconstructionist observations of the world (Se) and your observed analysis of how things fit (Te). Having T as in inferior function and having it be 'e' does not make for absolutism in facts and making hard decisions about reality is not going to be your strong point.

    What you will make hard, well-considered decisions about is what you are feeling and also your inspired interpretation of things. This further illustrates an a very interpretive mind. Basing your core on feeling and intuition.

    When I saw your videos the first thing I thought of what Paul McCartney. He is my ISFP rule of thumb. So, I watched your videos and old videos of him in the 60's and it seemed to match really well. He was an observant deconstructionist with heart.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtnXnWpC9GE

    Listen to the guy.. he is all over the place. Imagine trying to type him! He'd take you on a wild goose chase you'd never come back from. "Okay Paul, that's great... okay, where were we?" I got a very similar feeling from your videos.
    Interesting points. So ISFP, that's a type that had only gone by briefly in both my own and others considerations, a while back I did consider it and I dont know about the validity of function loops, but it could explain why some saw Ni where I didn't, if it was in a tertiary position.

    Hmm this is....going to take some digesting, so many different angles.

    @Arkigos

    I think to answer your question properly I would have to say I ruminate over a certain type of understanding that is both true and untrue, I know that sounds like pretentious gibberish, (and perhaps it is from some angles), but I cant help it, I always seem to look at something and try to extrapolate some kind of internal context or meaning from it.

    However I rarely share this with anyone because any explanation of such always comes across as air-headed to my mind and that of others, so like a coward I subordinate these perceptions to others judgements....or rather potential judgements. This has become less of a problem for me as ive become older and ive found lots of people who I can safely open up to about such things.

    This brings me to another rumination, possibly enneagram related but im not sure, essentially im also somewhat obsessed about security, not necessarily physical, but I want certainty within myself and within my environment in the form of those I can love and be loved by. A reliable community I suppose.

    The biggest rumination is also the last....this is the core of myself I would say, that is: my constant cross comparison with others which borders onto the realm of a strange contradiction where I loathe such comparison of myself and wish to be free of the judgements of others where I can stop being so self-conscious and more relieved. This is further exacerbated by the knowledge that it is mainly my fault for inflicting it upon myself.

    On top of this or perhaps hiding inside it is a secret search for a purpose. Or perhaps a place in my life.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Interesting points. So ISFP, that's a type that had only gone by briefly in both my own and others considerations, a while back I did consider it and I dont know about the validity of function loops, but it could explain why some saw Ni where I didn't, if it was in a tertiary position.

    Hmm this is....going to take some digesting, so many different angles.

    @Arkigos

    I think to answer your question properly I would have to say I ruminate over a certain type of understanding that is both true and untrue, I know that sounds like pretentious gibberish, (and perhaps it is from some angles), but I cant help it, I always seem to look at something and try to extrapolate some kind of internal context or meaning from it.

    However I rarely share this with anyone because any explanation of such always comes across as air-headed to my mind and that of others, so like a coward I subordinate these perceptions to others judgements....or rather potential judgements. This has become less of a problem for me as ive become older and ive found lots of people who I can safely open up to about such things.

    This brings me to another rumination, possibly enneagram related but im not sure, essentially im also somewhat obsessed about security, not necessarily physical, but I want certainty within myself and within my environment in the form of those I can love and be loved by. A reliable community I suppose.

    The biggest rumination is also the last....this is the core of myself I would say, that is: my constant cross comparison with others which borders onto the realm of a strange contradiction where I loathe such comparison of myself and wish to be free of the judgements of others where I can stop being so self-conscious and more relieved. This is further exacerbated by the knowledge that it is mainly my fault for inflicting it upon myself.

    On top of this or perhaps hiding inside it is a secret search for a purpose. Or perhaps a place in my life.
    My wife is the same way... her interpretations of things are so outlandishly interpretive that it's nonsensical. She has been met with such awkwardness and dismissive reactions that she is basically beaten into submission and keeps it to herself. She is a walking, expressive, tangent. I keep telling her that you can't be the first one to a new world unless you are the one in outer space but that is little comfort.

    Your desire for security that you don't provide, along with your very random ideas hints heavily at P in my estimation. Deconstructionist, essentially.

    If you had no fears and no limitations whatsoever.. if you could wish yourself into a perfect scenario (not dealing with finding love) what would it be? My wife would say: 'championing a cause.... strike that, 5 causes and sitting in a tree writing about the tree. Alternating those two things. Changing the world and sitting in a tree." My brother, also an ENFP would say something more manly and subdued, but similar... my ISFP friend would say something like living with friends in a free but secure environment with people he loved having fun and doing cool project stuff and having adventures.

    What about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkigos View Post
    If you had no fears and no limitations whatsoever.. if you could wish yourself into a perfect scenario (not dealing with finding love) what would it be? My wife would say: 'championing a cause.... strike that, 5 causes and sitting in a tree writing about the tree. Alternating those two things. Changing the world and sitting in a tree." My brother, also an ENFP would say something more manly and subdued, but similar... my ISFP friend would say something like living with friends in a free but secure environment with people he loved having fun and doing cool project stuff and having adventures.

    What about you?
    Hmm good question. I suppose it would be similar to your ISFP friend, but im not so sure on the adventure side of it. I suppose going to places and doing long hikes and skiing and just being in mountainous area's would be an enjoyable engagement for me.

    But more than that ideally I want to be....everything I am inside my head, I want to be honest and brave about things for once, assertive and wise. I am none of those and it eats at me that this is the case. I also want to perfect my abilities at those activities and hobbies which interest me, I wish to gather skills and interests that elevate me beyond myself, not to be better than anyone else, just better than who I am right now.

    Fortunately I am making efforts to change...

    I suppose deep down, or rather not that deep down, I desire admiration for something, but I have no idea why, possibly it has been induced within me by outside influences, or it could be from my own internal desires occurring through life experiences. Maybe it's a mix of the two...

    Anyhow I thought id answer this now just before I go away for the weekend, rather than leave you hanging for 3 days. Thanks for the questions.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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