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ENTP,INTP,INTJ,or INFJ?

Brian2626

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ENTP
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4w3
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sx/sp
I'm going to jump right in, I just turned 21 and I am fairly new to MBTI, over the past 8 months I have been studying cognitive functions. I am pretty sure I am a Ti user, however I have some pretty Fi moments. Recapping my life:

Age 5-6- I remember being preoccupied with watching PBS, Bill Nye the science guy and Wishbone. I also watched Natgeo, Animal Planet and the Discovery channel. When I entered Kindergarten I remember having my intelligence tested and I was reading at a 9th grade level, my IQ was estimated to be approaching 200. I had 1 friend that I met when we were both 4, outside of that I spent all of my time alone in front of the TV with a book in my hand.

7-10- I still was pretty unsocial, never wanting to be around to many people because they made me uncomfortable, however I wasn't quite despite the fact that I felt awkward. I was homeschooled, so that could have contributed to my world view. I read books on Biology, Zoology, Agriculture, Chemistry, Geology, Geography, Etymology,Medicine,and Meteorology. I "lived" in my local library. I still hated being around people and preferred to stay inside, in my basement reading or playing with legos. I would ride my bike, alone, and seek out new places I had never been. I enjoyed the beauty of what I was observing, taking in everything about the pictures I was looking at. my parent's fought a lot so I retreated into TV shows, Scrubs, The Simpsons, Futurama, The Daily Show, etc.

11-13- I still hated being around people, my family moved to another state, and I rarely went outside. I got lazy, I preferred to just study one thing at a time, I figured out how to build a GE AC 4400 locomotive engine by studying images of the engine and then comparing it to information I had found in books. I still found my school subjects to easy, so I simply stopped trying, I just did the bare minimum. I also read more people based material than scientific.

14-16- I was really lazy, I found a group of friends, but I was really only close with 1 or 2 people all through highschool. I was bothered that I didn't attempt to have a larger group of friends but I really was living life in front of the TV. My IQ was measured professionally a second time, this time 151. All of a sudden at age 15 I felt a need to be a "jock" because all the men in my family were that way. I decided I needed to eat, sleep and breath sports. I really wish at this point in my life I would have studied more Math than chased a ball around a court. I am, however, only average at sports(at best) and I still was not interested in having a social life.

16-18- I got a job at a hotel. I worked many more hours than I needed to just to out of the house around people. People at my job loved me. I still spent most of my time at home though. I was driven, I achieved what I wanted at this point. I started taking classes at my local community college, I had a 3.4 GPA considering I never read the books, that was pretty good. I also around age 18 never slept, and was addicted to energy drinks.

19-I experienced a massive depression, my older sister who I have never gotten along with moved back home after she dropped out of college. I didn't know what I wanted to do, one day I walked out of my job after being threatened and never returned.I was still attending community college, I took mostly art, theater and film theory classes. I really wanted to work in film, doing anything from acting, to directing to film editing to reviewing. I wrote on film constantly but never did my work and was barley passing classes I really wanted to take. Then in the summer of 2010 I decided to get my act together and that fall took hard classes that I breezed though. I got A's and enrolled at my state's university. I moved into the dorms and majored in English and political science. I spent all of my time socializing, my freshman year was the best time of my life, I was always around people. I was finally away from my parents who rub me the wrong way. Then, everyone I had met my freshman year abandoned me, an individual said it was because of my narcissism, however I simply talk about what I know.

20- I got back to who I think I probably actually am, an individual who longs for social interaction but can't handle it so I compensate for it by reading everything I can find. I live in my Uni's math library. I once again have close friends but I also have a ton of acquaintances that I have no interest in knowing deeply. I am into hippy culture, and zen Budism, eastern philosophy in general. I spend more time in classes I don't pay for than those I do(I "audit" in big lecture hall classes). I am a Physics major and doing well. I feel happy but empty, I want to leave a legacy, I want to be remembered (ennegram type 3w4) money doesn't matter.

20-21 I taught myself all about electronics, programming, and webpage design. I founded a computer company with a brilliant ENFP. I spent a year trying to figure out what people wanted to do with their computers, and I think I have come up with a little piece of software that will take on the big boys of the tech world.

I process thought by analyzing something from 50 different angles and then proceeding (Ti or Ni). When I form a plan I carry it out, so INTJ would fit. Plus, the Scrubs character Dr Cox IS ME, that is exactly how I behave. I buy expensive things in order to show off, I am hypersensitive to how people perceive me. I am surprisingly charismatic, when I talk people shut up and listen, I give great in-class presentations as a result (Ti-Se?)I seek truth above all else, even if it offends someone. I hate people who are polite at the expense of fact. For instance my grandmother is my least favorite person in the world because she leaves food out for 4-5 hours and I say "you're going to get food poisoning" and she will poo-poo it(pun!). ENTP and INTP also fit very well. And because you read this entire post you can have some cookies!

Is there a strong case for INFJ? Fe seems to be an underlying theme in my life, I also lack Si, I remember studies from Uni's I heard on the radio when I was 7 but I forget if I shampooed my hair while showering.
 
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WALMART

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i read the last 4-7 sentences, can i still have cookies?
 

Craft

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sx/so
1. There are no enneagram 3's that are INxJ's, especially INTJs.
2. Enneagram 3 is the equivalent of SeNeFe or PeFe in Jungian terms.
3. Enneagram 4 is the equivalent of FiTi or Ji in Jungian terms.

Hence, you are solidly ENTP(Ne Ti Fe Si) or more precisely Ne-FeFi-Ti, lol.
 

Brian2626

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MBTI Type
ENTP
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4w3
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sx/sp
1. There are no enneagram 3's that are INxJ's, especially INTJs.
2. Enneagram 3 is the equivalent of SeNeFe or PeFe in Jungian terms.
3. Enneagram 4 is the equivalent of FiTi or Ji in Jungian terms.

Hence, you are solidly ENTP(Ne Ti Fe Si) or more precisely Ne-FeFi-Ti, lol.

So I live in a ne-fe loop and use the shadow function Fi making me seem more ENFP at times? So I have that to look forward to. My enneagram stack is 3w4 7w6 and 5w6 in that order.
 

Craft

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Not sure about the loop, but.

1. 7 is the equivalent of Ne.
2. 6 is Si-Fi.
3. 5 is Ti.

Thus:
1. There's no question about you being Ne dominant.

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If we let the main enneagram = 1-.5 and let the wing =.5-.25, and if we let the second pair's main = .5 and its wing =.25-.125, and if also let the third pair's main = .25 and its wing = .125-.0625:

We can put points in each function.

1. Ne gets 1.5
2. Fe gets .5
3. Ti gets .5
4. Fi gets .6875
5. Si gets .375

So you have Ne-Fi-FeTi-Si.

Since FeTi belongs to ENTP and FiTe belongs to ENFP, FeTi(ENTP) = 1 and FiTe(ENFP) = .6875. 1>.6875, hence, you are still solidly ENTP.

Kind of silly to quantify this, but that's the only way to concretize what I have in my head.
 

Brian2626

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sx/sp
Not sure about the loop, but.

1. 7 is the equivalent of Ne.
2. 6 is Si-Fi.
3. 5 is Ti.

Thus:
1. There's no question about you being Ne dominant.

-------
If we let the main enneagram = 1-.5 and let the wing =.5-.25, and if we let the second pair's main = .5 and its wing =.25-.125, and if also let the third pair's main = .25 and its wing = .125-.0625:

We can put points in each function.

1. Ne gets 1.5
2. Fe gets .5
3. Ti gets .5
4. Fi gets .6875
5. Si gets .375

So you have Ne-Fi-FeTi-Si.

Since FeTi belongs to ENTP and FiTe belongs to ENFP, FeTi(ENTP) = 1 and FiTe(ENFP) = .6875. 1>.6875, hence, you are still solidly ENTP.

Kind of silly to quantify this, but that's the only way to concretize what I have in my head.
. Ah, I see. Isn't 3w4 a entj and enfp type, I thought 3w2 was more common in entp and enfp was 3w4, infp was 4w3.
 

Craft

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. Ah, I see. Isn't 3w4 a entj and enfp type, I thought 3w2 was more common in entp and enfp was 3w4, infp was 4w3.

There's also plenty 5w4 INTPs, thus 4 is not necessarily Fi(enfp/entj). 4 is also Ti or Ji, but primarily Fi.
 

Impact Calculus

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Not sure about the loop, but.

1. 7 is the equivalent of Ne.
2. 6 is Si-Fi.
3. 5 is Ti.

Thus:
1. There's no question about you being Ne dominant.

-------
If we let the main enneagram = 1-.5 and let the wing =.5-.25, and if we let the second pair's main = .5 and its wing =.25-.125, and if also let the third pair's main = .25 and its wing = .125-.0625:

We can put points in each function.

1. Ne gets 1.5
2. Fe gets .5
3. Ti gets .5
4. Fi gets .6875
5. Si gets .375

So you have Ne-Fi-FeTi-Si.

Since FeTi belongs to ENTP and FiTe belongs to ENFP, FeTi(ENTP) = 1 and FiTe(ENFP) = .6875. 1>.6875, hence, you are still solidly ENTP.

Kind of silly to quantify this, but that's the only way to concretize what I have in my head.

You're living in a fantasy land. But I agree, he's probably an ENTP.
 

Cellmold

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I read the entire thing, cheers for the cookie, (pre-empting).
 

Brian2626

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ENTP
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4w3
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sx/sp
None of this, however, explains my need for power and control, my narcissism, my intensely private life, and my need to be loved/liked by everyone and destroy people who threaten me, that sounds more INTJ to me.

Also, all of the knowledge I seek is with the end goal of applying said knowledge and moving on. For instance I am attempting to unify quantum physics with special relativity, so I have a stack of books on my desk right now from my universities library on theoretical physics and I have made some progress in the last 36 hours (I am a physics major but i don't get along with the other physics students/faculty they deem me to radicle and interested only in quantum theories) once I achieve this (type 3 ennegram) I plan on moving on to curing some deseases. I taught myself all of the math I know, physics, biochem, how to program computers, all independent of anyone else.
 

Mal12345

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None of this, however, explains my need for power and control, my narcissism, my intensely private life, and my need to be loved/liked by everyone and destroy people who threaten me, that sounds more INTJ to me.

Why believe that you have to have a single type? None of the other personality systems force anyone into a single square, they allow 1, 2 or 3 at the most. And you do accept enneagram tritypes. It's circular logic to believe that just because the MBTI gives a single result that only a single type applies. The ANSIR system types each personality into 3 categories of life. The MBTI does not, it just treats everything equally.

So I have no problem with you being ENTP/INTJ or some combination of your choosing.
 
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