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    @Marmotini
    I related to
    Sx/So>Sx/Sp>Sp/Sx (frankly, most of the Sp/Sx songs were fucking boring, except this one, which was bad ass despite the fact that I don't normally like country music)


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    - 7 is in the head triad; 1 is in the gut triad. if I seem jittery, it's more likely I'm a 7 than a 1 (I do have a VERY strong 1 fix though, so that probably adds to it)
    - 7w6s especially often have a "nervous" sort of energy to them
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    Ehhh...from the stuff you posted I think you may be an sx dom.

    It actually makes sense with your intensity, I mean your presence on the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Ehhh...from the stuff you posted I think you may be an sx dom.

    It actually makes sense with your intensity, I mean your presence on the forum.
    you have a point, my presence certainly attracts more attention that the vast majority of Sp/Sx's
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    Also, I liked some of the sp/sx songs, but they're songs I would only listen to *in a certain mood*...like I wouldn't call sp my main instinct if this is sp/sx...because frankly I love Sade, and that Inland Empire song is cool too, but yeah it's too mellow for me to listen on regular basis, it's a particular atmospheric mood, or when I'm feeling a need to turn inward if I'm sad or something, or you know when you're having sexy times in a low key bedroom atmosphere and plan to sleep afterward.

    ATMOSPHERE ATMOSPHERE ATMOSPHERE!!!

    Yes, this music has it's place for me, but not too much as what I'd listen to on a daily basis, I would get too bored, as you say.

    The so/sx is definitely not me, though. Half of them aren't even music, and the ones that are seems kind of fun but "empty" like the Bloodhound Gang song I do like, it is fun, or that lame club song. But it's too "light" to be me, I'm definitely not an so dom, I don't how I come across on the forum (in reference to speed saying I was so/sx, kind of Hillary Duff), but I ain't that light. Nope.

    I think so dom ones (like the so/sp as well) are too "talky" and not musical enough, so that's another red flag to me, personally.

    Yeah, I'll state again, if you're easily bored by mellow music, I really think that points to sx dom needing intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Also, I liked some of the sp/sx songs, but they're songs I would only listen to *in a certain mood*...like I wouldn't call sp my main instinct if this is sp/sx...because frankly I love Sade, and that Inland Empire song is cool too, but yeah it's too mellow for me to listen on regular basis, it's a particular atmospheric mood, or when I'm feeling a need to turn inward if I'm sad or something, or you know when you're having sexy times in a low key bedroom atmosphere and plan to sleep afterward.
    "mellow" music bores me to tears.

    ATMOSPHERE ATMOSPHERE ATMOSPHERE!!!
    Yes, this music has it's place for me, but not too much as what I'd listen to on a daily basis, I would get too bored, as you say.
    The so/sx is definitely not me, though. Half of them aren't even music, and the ones that are seems kind of fun but "empty" like the Bloodhound Gang song I do like, it is fun, or that lame club song. But it's too "light" to be me, I'm definitely not an so dom, I don't how I come across on the forum (in reference to speed saying I was so/sx, kind of Hillary Duff), but I ain't that light. Nope.
    I think so dom ones (like the so/sp as well) are too "talky" and not musical enough, so that's another red flag to me, personally.
    Yeah, I'll state again, if you're easily bored by mellow music, I really think that points to sx dom needing intensity.
    you're definitely not So/Sx, I see you as Sx/So personally, but I could see either Sx/Sp or Sx/So
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    Thank you, @Elfboy, because of your thread I've decided I'm sx/so; not just from the music (that helped) but from your suggestion as well, then I looked at the sx/so stacking for type 6, calling them "four like" and acting out in anger, or getting depressed when unhealthy, then appearing 8 like while defending either loved ones or their social standing. God could that be more me?



    Thanks for your awesome thread. Now I'm going to post the stackings for sx/sp and sp/sx and sx/so for type 7 so you can read them and decide which one you think YOU are:


    Self-pres/Sexual

    This subtype is similar to the self-pres/social, but their plans and pursuits are more passionate in nature. There is often more of an artistic flair. They can be moodier then the other subtype. Their focus is more on relationships, although commitment can also be a problem for this subtype. This subtype can even be known to use introspection as an escape. They can go inward with a seeming depth, but they will usually avoid the most troublesome areas, the areas and characteristics most painful to them.

    This subtype of Seven is overall more focused than the self-pres/social. Their focus is on their intimates although certainly not solely on them as they usually have many other fires burning also. They generally have a great sense of humor, sharp quick minds and many interests. These qualities might be common to all subtypes of the Seven, but in the self-pres/sexual subtype, the infusion of enthusiasm comes through when they are engaged in their plans and fulfilling them.



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    Sexual/Self-pres


    The energy of the sexual instinct is, in some ways, at odds with the type Seven fixation. The Seven’s focus is future oriented and outward, away from the inner world, while the sexual variant is instinctual and dwells on the inner self as far as relationships and identity are concerned. This combination can make for a Seven that can be Four-like in many ways. They can have a flamboyant style and be very moody and intense. In relationships, there is often a push-pull quality. They are very attracted to the falling in love part. The buzz and high of that is very stimulating to them, almost drug-like for them. Their problems come when that buzz wears off. They want to recreate it again and again, but they also have a way of becoming attached and sometimes very dependent on their romantic partners. On the down side, they can be very clingy but don’t want at the same time to lose their freedom. When unhealthy, they can be very selfish in these relationships, things become one-sided in a way that favors the interests of the Seven.

    The sexual/self-pres Seven’s addictive behavior with relationships can extend to other areas, like music, and performing in general. The rock star image and lifestyle can be attractive to the sexual Seven. Many rock stars are sexual Sevens the buzz they experience from music can be similar to what they experience in relationships. Creativity can also function as a release of frustration from the boredom.




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    Sexual/Social

    This subtype has a lot of energy, crazy, intense energy and this energy is going to find a way to manifest. This subtype of Seven can have the biggest extremes in behavior and with material success in life. With the self-pres instinct last in the stacking they aren’t afraid of taking risks, so they sometimes become very successful, as in the case of rock stars, but they typically also take too many risks, look for too many easy ways out. With the self-pres least developed, they can become dependent on others to add a much needed stabilizing element to their busy hedonistic lives. They have many of the same issues and share many of the same problems as the other sexual first subtype with regards to relationship addiction and have even more dependency issues then the sexual/self-pres. They can lose focus and drift similar to the social/sexual subtype and their high energy can likewise be draining for others.


    With this subtype, you have drama mixed with mental energy. What separates them from Fours who they might resemble superficially is their planning and future orientation. Their drama and intensity is focused on what they are going to do, not on what has happened. They are usually blind to their past, moving forward and not looking back.

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    @Marmotini
    thanks, and glad I could help

    overall, I related about equally to the Sp/Sx and Sx/Sp descriptions. here are the Riso Hudson descriptions of Sp dom 7s and Sx dom 7s (I related 100% to the Sp dom description and about 90% to the Sx dom description)
    Self-Preservation Sevens

    Getting Mine. In the average range, Self-Preservation Sevens are determined, energetic people, driven to make sure that their basic needs and comforts will always be met. Their attitudes and concerns tend to emphasize the practical and the material. (In the immortal words of Scarlett O'Hara, "As God is my witness, I will never go hungry again!") They tend to be ambitious and work hard to insure that options will remain open to them.

    Self-Preservation Sevens are also classic consumers. They enjoy shopping, traveling, and pampering themselves, making it their business to gather information about the potential sources of enjoyment (catalogues, movie listings, travel and restaurant guides). These Sevens are especially on the lookout for sales and bargains, and like discussing these matters with friends. ("I just found the most darling mugs at the Pottery Barn.") While they enjoy socializing, Self-Preservation Sevens fear developing dependencies on others and avoid having others depend on them.

    Less healthy Self-Preservation Sevens can feel impatient and panicky when their needs are not quickly met. They often experience anxieties about the loss of comforts or of material support and easily feel deprived. (Fears about going hungry are not uncommon.) They can be extremely demanding and cranky when frustrated, expecting others to meet their needs as soon as they are expressed—or even sooner.

    In the unhealthy range, Self-Preservation Sevens can be extremely thoughtless and relentless in pursuit of security needs. They aggressively go after whatever they believe will make them feel more secure or stave off their anxiety, and brook no interference. Reckless with their finances and resources, spending out of control or gambling, they can be even more profligate with their own health and inner resources. They push themselves beyond reasonable limits, eating, drinking, and indulging themselves to excess.


    Sexual Sevens

    The Neophile. In the average range, Sexual Sevens are constantly looking for something new and beyond the ordinary; like Fours, they tend to reject the mundane. In all of their activities and interactions, they want to experience the intense charge of being alive. They see life through heightened imagination, idealizing themselves, their relationships, and reality. They often have wide-ranging curiosity and interests and are fascinated by new ideas and topics they see as being on the cutting edge. Sexual Sevens are magnetized by people whom they find interesting or refreshing. When the radar of their sexual instinct locks on the such a person, they do not hesitate to approach the person with charm and genuine interest. They feel temporarily dazzled and hypnotized by the object of their curiosity and may induce similar feelings in others. Sexual Sevens enjoy the excitement of fantasizing about future adventures and shared interest with the nre person. They love wild ideas, wit, and humor — their minds move very quickly, but this can also cause restlessness with themselves and their relationships.

    Less healthy Sexual Sevens can become fickle — both with their interests and with their affections. They fear commitment, preferring the intense feelings of infatuation that occur in the earliest stages of a relationship. (They love falling in love.) They revel in romance and in the process of mutual discovery, but as soon as the feelings become familiar, they are ready to explore other possibilities. Similarly, restlessness causes them to lack discernment. They may get involved in faddish or sensational ideas in glitzy packaging that are little more than temporary distractions. Disappointment soon follows.

    In the unhealthy range, Sexual Sevens become even more reckless in their pursuit of charged excitement. They may involve themselves in crazy schemes and unrealistic or dangerous love affairs. They become thrill-seekers, looking for more and more extraordinary sources of entertainment while being less and less affected by any of it. They become hardened and dissipated from living on the edge, often burning out or damaging themselves in some permanent way from their excesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    As an SP-dom, I've notice myself obsessed with well being. When I was younger I was an incredibly picky eater, and certain textures, color, or smell would turn me off instantly. I actually went hungry a lot because of this. I've come a long way, but still...
    There's also this weird preoccupation and sensitivity with the mood of my environment (ie: my room, workplace, etc.) that I can't really describe. All of this sounds really unmanly, but thank goodness this is teh internetz and no one IRL (save family) has to know

    If we keep it simple, which one are you more preoccupied with (to the point where it may seem neurotic at times)?

    SP-dom = desires for Well Being (ie: financial security, physical comfort, etc.)
    SX-dom = desires for Pair Bonding (ie: merging, wholeness, etc.)

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    this actually brings an interesting question to mind:
    SP can show itself when you are young throughout your childhood, so can SO to an extent, though perhaps a bit later.

    but how could SX express itself when your a child?

    i seems to me that one's stacking are more like a series of triumphs in inner conflicts:

    first conflict:
    - SP: we began life as SP doms, as we gather our sense of physical self, as mere infants.
    - SO: only in our childhood we can become aware of SO and the question of social acceptance.
    so the first conflict is between SP and SO, which instinct will triumphs in it's importance over the other.

    second conflict:
    - shortly after we have our SP/SO or SO/SP figured out...
    - our sexual development and romantic needs within SX starts developing.
    so now we have a conflict between SX and our previously dominant instinct...

    third conflict:
    if our previously dominant instinct trumped SX, a similar question arises between SX and our previously second instinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    this actually brings an interesting question to mind:
    SP can show itself when you are young throughout your childhood, so can SO to an extent, though perhaps a bit later.

    but how could SX express itself when your a child?

    i seems to me that one's stacking are more like a series of triumphs in inner conflicts:

    first conflict:
    - SP: we began life as SP doms, as we gather our sense of physical self, as mere infants.
    - SO: only in our childhood we can become aware of SO and the question of social acceptance.
    so the first conflict is between SP and SO, which instinct will triumphs in it's importance over the other.

    second conflict:
    - shortly after we have our SP/SO or SO/SP figured out...
    - our sexual development and romantic needs within SX starts developing.
    so now we have a conflict between SX and our previously dominant instinct...

    third conflict:
    if our previously dominant instinct trumped SX, a similar question arises between SX and our previously second instinct.
    Do you think people who were either sickly or suffering from scarcity of some kind or who had chaotic childhoods of some sort might be more likely to be sp doms?

    EDIT: Also, your whole thing totally makes sense for me, I was very socially aware during my school years, and then in my adolescence my need to seek intimacy trumped what other people - including my family - thought. That would make sx/so totally make sense for me; especially since physically my grandparents gave me a very stable early childhood so I never had to panic over any sp concerns as far as I know in my formative years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Do you think people who were either sickly or suffering from scarcity of some kind or who had chaotic childhoods of some sort might be more likely to be sp doms?
    possibly and on the same token t might be that people who had a turbulent experience with social acceptance in late childhood & early tweens might be more likely to be SO doms.

    but alternatively, i think there might be a relationship between instinctual stacking and attachment styles:
    SX doms are more likely to put more weight on their relationships and have a codependent attachment style
    SP doms are more likely to be scared of loosing their sense of self and develop an avoident attachment style
    - SP/SXs are more likely to develop an avoident-dependent attachment conflict
    SO doms are more likely to be persistently aware of the partnering prospects around them and develop a more confident attachment style.

    i am not sure if this is entirely true but i think it is worthy of research, because if it is, then that can be connected to current research which shows attachment styles are already seen in how a baby reacts to his mother during breastfeeding periods, and that would mean instinctual variants might actually be pretty set in birth, an expression of nature rather then nurture. if that is true, then this would mean it was not the turbulence in one's survival/social/intimate development that caused the stacking, but rather the one's instinctual variant which caused one to be more stressed by turbulence in one area rather then another.

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